Archaic Laid to Rest

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by MarkB


Note, it is my judgement. I know you said that because I witnessed it. That is enough for me. I need no proof. It is not needed for me to take a screenshot and get reasonable doubt to present to a jury when I ban someone.

You did not witness it because I never said it, damn it.....stop your blasted lying!

I guess what goes around comes around. You banned ETD for something petty and you got it from someone else on another playerworld. Oh well...

I didnt ban ETD, and we have the history to prove all that, so there ya go.

I believe by "record" she meant before this event. Oh, and you coming by and just picking a side doesn't instantly fix a dispute. :|

yes, that is what I meant

[DarkShadows_Legend]

I didnt ban ETD, and we have the history to prove all that, so there ya go.

Of course you didn't, but you still played your role in having him banned.

[MarkB]

Originally posted by Darlene159
You did not witness it because I never said it, damn it.....stop your blasted lying!
I didnt ban ETD, and we have the history to prove all that, so there ya go.
yes, that is what I meant

I know, I am just pulling this **** out of my ass. None of this ever happened. I am suppose to be leaving for a party in like 2 hours, and rather than enjoy it playing 2k2 or working on Archaic, I would rather sit here and fight with a 45 year old over an online game. Wrong. I wouldnt even bother posting if I didnt know for a fact that this stuff happened.

[Loriel]

My respect for Archaic sure is dropping, but all you people arguing are acting kinda silly. This thread will not solve your problems, I bet.

[MarkB]

Originally posted by Loriel
My respect for Archaic sure is dropping, but all you people arguing are acting kinda silly. This thread will not solve your problems, I bet.

Why the hell would that be? I did nothing wrong. I am only doing my job.

[Python523]

Originally posted by MarkB



I know, I am just pulling this **** out of my ass. None of this ever happened. I am suppose to be leaving for a party in like 2 hours, and rather than enjoy it playing 2k2 or working on Archaic, I would rather sit here and fight with a 45 year old over an online game. Wrong. I wouldnt even bother posting if I didnt know for a fact that this stuff happened.

Someone's age doesn't matter, why do you insist on branding her by her age?

[MarkB]

Originally posted by Python523


Someone's age doesn't matter, why do you insist on branding her by her age?

You would expect someone of her age to act a little more mature, same goes for Knightress. I dont understand their beef.

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by MarkB



I know, I am just pulling this **** out of my ass. None of this ever happened. I am suppose to be leaving for a party in like 2 hours, and rather than enjoy it playing 2k2 or working on Archaic, I would rather sit here and fight with a 45 year old over an online game. Wrong. I wouldnt even bother posting if I didnt know for a fact that this stuff happened.

I am 38, not 45...and my age makes no difference, I was still banned for no reason, and you are still a liar

My respect for Archaic sure is dropping, but all you people arguing are acting kinda silly. This thread will not solve your problems, I bet.

you are mostly right, but I did get the info I needed from this thread

[MarkB]

The info you needed? Lmao.

You just wont stop and accept responsibility will you? I dont ban people for unjust causes.

[zs0]

Originally posted by deman1171

Uh, he quit, you actually think he would work his ass off so much for him to let Archaic and some guy who pissed him off keep it?
He could start his own PW and it would rock.

Once you put something up on a server, its the servers.

[MarkB]

Originally posted by zs0


Once you put something up on a server, its the servers.

So they say...me and Bloo made ammends for the most part...and Archaic is continuing. All will be restored.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by MarkB
The info you needed? Lmao.

You just wont stop and accept responsibility will you? I dont ban people for unjust causes.

Really ? So how is it I was banned and have no time on your server? That should have never happened under any circumstances to anyone and yet as you know it did. So it does put a dent in what you said about unjust causes. All I will say on this matter further is this, Players pay to play these servers including yours and the burden of proof of why an action was taken is on you. Sooner or later you will have to provide the proof , a I say so won't cut it.

If this was a "free game" you could get away with things like that but it isn't and the paying Player has rights , so to infringe on those rights you MUST prove without a doubt what you say happened did happen or the blame and responsiblity will fall back on you as the Owner/Manager. You have to prove the player broke the terms of use of their account , saying I saw it said on the game without proof it did , does not constitute proof. I strongly suggest you gather proof if you have it so when it comes time to show it you have it and trust me the time will come when you have to provide the proof.

[marcoR]

I Zero Hour A.K.A. Stephen Arsenault, of Archaic, Appologize for said actions.

[konidias]

Uhhh.... Last time I checked, I thought you could be banned for any reason the staff deem fit. So all of this arguement is just moot.

It just seems to me that MoonGoddess doesn't want to "lose", or be "stepped on", so she is fighting to be unbanned just because she doesn't want to feel like they got the upper hand.

It's their server, if they want to ban everyone from it, that is their decision. What the hell is this "player's rights" bullcrap? This never existed. I see nowhere in the rules stating that players have to be banned for valid reasons, on terms that the person being banned accepts. Do you realize how many people would complain about being banned?

Every single ban would be fought over, seeing as how nobody is going to believe they deserve to be banned for any reason. That is why it says IN THE RULES, that the staff may ban you for any reason. If they feel you are even GOING to be a threat to their server, they can ban you.

I know I'm doing it with Oasis, and I'll fight the PWA the entire way. If I know some person is a jerk or an idiot, I'm going to ban them BEFORE they can ruin someone's fun on my playerworld.

[MarkB]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Really ? So how is it I was banned and have no time on your server? That should have never happened under any circumstances to anyone and yet as you know it did. So it does put a dent in what you said about unjust causes. All I will say on this matter further is this, Players pay to play these servers including yours and the burden of proof of why an action was taken is on you. Sooner or later you will have to provide the proof , a I say so won't cut it.

If this was a "free game" you could get away with things like that but it isn't and the paying Player has rights , so to infringe on those rights you MUST prove without a doubt what you say happened did happen or the blame and responsiblity will fall back on you as the Owner/Manager. You have to prove the player broke the terms of use of their account , saying I saw it said on the game without proof it did , does not constitute proof. I strongly suggest you gather proof if you have it so when it comes time to show it you have it and trust me the time will come when you have to provide the proof.

You were banned without a cause, well, with a cause, but not tieable to Archaic. That was wrong and I am sorry that happened. When the server comes out, if you intend on playing it, I will give you something as compensation. As for your wifes ban...as I stated before, she was banned for a reason. I am talking with Bloo and NyT and I am going to try to work something out...this fighting between grown women needs to stop, jesus christ.

[marcoR]

Amen brutha.

[Ningnong]

this fighting between grown women needs to stop, jesus christ.

Agreed...


And hey I just noticed my member ID is 2337.. I wish it was 1337. lol...

[Lance]

Sorry, folks, but until the rules are made to say otherwise, payerworld owners can control access to their servers (within reason, of course - no right or privilege is absolute). If Archaic goes public, that's most certainly another story, but so long as it's private and the server rules remain unchanged, Mark can say "No."

[MarkB]

Originally posted by konidias
Uhhh.... Last time I checked, I thought you could be banned for any reason the staff deem fit. So all of this arguement is just moot.

It just seems to me that MoonGoddess doesn't want to "lose", or be "stepped on", so she is fighting to be unbanned just because she doesn't want to feel like they got the upper hand.

It's their server, if they want to ban everyone from it, that is their decision. What the hell is this "player's rights" bullcrap? This never existed. I see nowhere in the rules stating that players have to be banned for valid reasons, on terms that the person being banned accepts. Do you realize how many people would complain about being banned?

Every single ban would be fought over, seeing as how nobody is going to believe they deserve to be banned for any reason. That is why it says IN THE RULES, that the staff may ban you for any reason. If they feel you are even GOING to be a threat to their server, they can ban you.

I know I'm doing it with Oasis, and I'll fight the PWA the entire way. If I know some person is a jerk or an idiot, I'm going to ban them BEFORE they can ruin someone's fun on my playerworld.

I understand somewhat. I wouldnt want to banned when I did nothing on the server(in moon gods case). But...there is nothing right about what Moonmiss or whatever did. I am sorry but calling someone a ***** and a "child molester" is wrong in my book whether they are or arent.

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by MarkB


I understand somewhat. I wouldnt want to banned when I did nothing on the server(in moon gods case). But...there is nothing right about what Moonmiss or whatever did. I am sorry but calling someone a ***** and a "child molester" is wrong in my book whether they are or arent.

I never said that on any server you *****

[Lance]

Originally posted by Darlene159
I never said that on any server you *****

I fail to see the relevance of this.

[konidias]

Originally posted by Darlene159
I never said that on any server you *****

The fact that you're whining like a 5 year old and calling people *****s, makes me want to ban you from my server as well.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by konidias
Uhhh.... Last time I checked, I thought you could be banned for any reason the staff deem fit. So all of this arguement is just moot.

It just seems to me that MoonGoddess doesn't want to "lose", or be "stepped on", so she is fighting to be unbanned just because she doesn't want to feel like they got the upper hand.

It's their server, if they want to ban everyone from it, that is their decision. What the hell is this "player's rights" bullcrap? This never existed. I see nowhere in the rules stating that players have to be banned for valid reasons, on terms that the person being banned accepts. Do you realize how many people would complain about being banned?

Every single ban would be fought over, seeing as how nobody is going to believe they deserve to be banned for any reason. That is why it says IN THE RULES, that the staff may ban you for any reason. If they feel you are even GOING to be a threat to their server, they can ban you.

I know I'm doing it with Oasis, and I'll fight the PWA the entire way. If I know some person is a jerk or an idiot, I'm going to ban them BEFORE they can ruin someone's fun on my playerworld.

If this was a free Game I might agree with you BUT this isn't and as a P2P Game you cannot unjustly block someone’s access to any part of the game. Those kinds of rules went out when P2P was ushered in. As consumers the players have rights and can be upheld in court, this is the point I am making. Everyday court battles are fought over consumer’s rights and violation of said rights. When you accept peoples money and provide them with a service, in this case a Game to play, they have the right as a consumer to access all portions to the Game as long as the terms of play are abided by and paid for; to do anything other than that constitutes fraud to the consumer.

If you deny a players right to play a server then you have to provide proof that the terms of Game play were violated, then the Game has every right to restrict as it sees fit the player but the player MUST be afforded the opportunity of making a violation first even though you know they will. To keep yourself in the right all you can do is sit back and wait for them to do that, then when they do "POW" problem solved their gone.

[marcoR]

Mark's point of view:
she annoyed his workers, and harrassed them, so he banned her, she pays like the rest.
Her view:
she did nothing, and was banned by a random act of.. er.. mark.

I unno, one of these things is just not like the other, can you tell me before I finish my song?

[Darlene159]

Originally posted by Lance


I fail to see the relevance of this.

Because he is lying?

Konidias, I am not whining, but I wont post here anymore. I will be glad when the rules are put up specifically for these rented servers since thwey are under the impression that they dont have to follow graal rules, I have simply emailed Unixmad on the issue, and sent him all the info. you can think what you want, but I stopped letting people walk on me a long time ago, and I'm not going to let it happen now by some power hungry person who thinks they can ban people for stupid reasons, as far as I'm concerned, this thread is closed

[Lance]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
If this was a free Game I might agree with you BUT this isn't and as a P2P Game you cannot unjustly block someone’s access to any part of the game.

Yeah, but this is a special case. This is an in-development private server.

Those kinds of rules went out when P2P was ushered in. As consumers the players have rights and can be upheld in court, this is the point I am making. Everyday court battles are fought over consumer’s rights and violation of said rights.

It also happens to be paid for by its server renter. Are you saying they have no rights at all?

When you accept peoples money and provide them with a service, in this case a Game to play, they have the right as a consumer to access all portions to the Game as long as the terms of play are abided by and paid for; to do anything other than that constitutes fraud to the consumer.

Um, could you please point out just where this right is explicitly stated? Thank you.

Each server is its own world, and has its own subset of rules. Scamming, for example - some servers permit it, whereas others don't. If you don't recognize that each server has its own set of rules, and what constitutes a violation of one does not necessarily constitute a violation at another, then you are missing some pretty important concepts about Graal.

If you deny a players right to play a server then you have to provide proof that the terms of Game play were violated, then the Game has every right to restrict as it sees fit the player but the player MUST be afforded the opportunity of making a violation first even though you know they will. To keep yourself in the right all you can do is sit back and wait for them to do that, then when they do "POW" problem solved their gone.

Yeah, but you still don't seem to understand the differing set of circumstances. These are in-development servers, there is nothing that says you should have access to all of them. When they go up, that's a different story, as they're subject to many more rules. However, as the rules currently stand, private playerworld owners have (to a cetain extent) control over who accesses the server.

[Lance]

Originally posted by Darlene159
Because he is lying?

Yeah, but that's irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that Mark can control the access (again, to a certain extent) to his server.

[Milkdude99]

Originally posted by Lance
All that Stuff..

Ehh new PW rules are being drafted so to debate what rules or rights they have would be moot and of no true value because it is merely subjective to our own observations. But the Laws of the land do come into play as to consumer rights whether it is specifically stated on Graal or not they are still governed by the laws of the country in which it is played.

[konidias]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
If this was a free Game I might agree with you BUT this isn't and as a P2P Game you cannot unjustly block someone’s access to any part of the game. Those kinds of rules went out when P2P was ushered in. As consumers the players have rights and can be upheld in court, this is the point I am making. Everyday court battles are fought over consumer’s rights and violation of said rights. When you accept peoples money and provide them with a service, in this case a Game to play, they have the right as a consumer to access all portions to the Game as long as the terms of play are abided by and paid for; to do anything other than that constitutes fraud to the consumer.

If you deny a players right to play a server then you have to provide proof that the terms of Game play were violated, then the Game has every right to restrict as it sees fit the player but the player MUST be afforded the opportunity of making a violation first even though you know they will. To keep yourself in the right all you can do is sit back and wait for them to do that, then when they do "POW" problem solved their gone.

Just because people pay does not mean they can break the user agreement. The user agreement:

"Any GraalOnline administrator and LINUX Cyberjoueurs reserves the right to determine, in its sole discretion, what constitutes generally accepted standards of online behavior and may, without notice and at any time, suspend or terminate your access to the Graal Online System. LINUX Cyberjoueurs does not warrant or guarantee that the Graal Services and Information and the functions or services performed by the administration team will be uninterrupted or error-free."

Meaning you agreed that your account could be TERMINATED at any time for whatever reason the admin sees fit, even if it's "corrupt" or it was because of an error by that admin.

You accept the agreement, you accept the outcome. It wouldn't hold up in court at all if you tried to sue Graal because you were banned for no reason.

It also says that you agree to read the user agreement periodically, so don't say that you're unaware of the rule, as it would be your fault for not reading it.

[marcoR]

I'm taking you to court for variables!

[Scott]

You gave it a good **** Bloo. If anyone, he should have quit and given it to you because you were the backbone of that project. Good luck on whatever you decide to do next.

[Cynicism]

I'm too tired to articulate in the way I normally do, so I will say this in the best way I can:

Deal with it. Apparently, and as shown, no one seems to be stepping out of the boundaries of the rules. There are many other playerworlds out there, other great projects to come. I know being banned isn't a great thing; but it happens quite frequently, and to many people. If all of them were to bring forth their claims, wouldn't that seem a little, well chaotic, and annoying? ...Oh, and last I checked.. Wasn't this thread about a different subject?

Yeah, I know I don't know a damned thing about what the hell is going on. I don't play Graal, and I don't talk to many people from here. But as a member of the forums, I for one am tired of seeing this kind of arguing going on, when ineed there are better ways to resolve this kind of issue.

That's just my two cents. I personally don't agree with this kind of thing, but there isn't anything you can really do about it, is there?

[Lance]

Originally posted by Milkdude99
Ehh new PW rules are being drafted so to debate what rules or rights they have would be moot and of no true value because it is merely subjective to our own observations. But the Laws of the land do come into play as to consumer rights whether it is specifically stated on Graal or not they are still governed by the laws of the country in which it is played.

Yeah. I doubt any specific rules will be set up about access control to the private unlisted servers, though. However, It's my wager that the upcoming third tab would be subject to all applicable server rules.

[zell12]

You guys are still fighting about this. Sad...

[alarid0]

brain...overload....
too much...endless...pointless...text...to..arGH

[MarkB]

I just got home...here is a resolution to this...im a pretty nice guy...When the server goes public, I will uban her, and if her, bloo, and Nyt can come to terms, then maybe...maybe, before then I will unban her. As of now, my decision remains, and as far as I know, bloo is back on the project.

[davidpsy]

Originally posted by MarkB
I just got home...here is a resolution to this...im a pretty nice guy...When the server goes public, I will uban her, and if her, bloo, and Nyt can come to terms, then maybe...maybe, before then I will unban her. As of now, my decision remains, and as far as I know, bloo is back on the project.

Hey Markb its me Donald Shimoda, I'm a friend of bloos and I know what hes been through. Angel has been trying to get bloo to unban moongod for too long and it has to stop. I think if you want to unban her what you should do is make an npc that allows her not to talk or to pm anyone this way she can still play without insulting bloo or anybody elce. If she says bad things in here nick name make it so she has no nick rights but can still play.

[Qwert616]

Originally posted by davidpsy



Hey Markb its me Donald Shimoda, I'm a friend of bloos and I know what hes been through. Angel has been trying to get bloo to unban moongod for too long and it has to stop. I think if you want to unban her what you should do is make an npc that allows her not to talk or to pm anyone this way she can still play without insulting bloo or anybody elce. If she says bad things in here nick name make it so she has no nick rights but can still play.

How can your properly play a MMORPG without the ability to speak to other players?

[davidpsy]

Originally posted by Qwert616


How can your properly play a MMORPG without the ability to speak to other players?

thats her problem not theirs if it were up to bloo and maybe even my self she would be banned and Wouldent be able to play the MMORPG at all XD.

[konidias]

It's not like she wants to play on the server anyway. For one, there isn't anything to do on it right now, and two, she just doesn't want to feel like she got stepped on.

It sounds more like her ego got bruised to me.