Pwa

[CasanovaCanavi]

I like da Sparky.

[draco5432]

I dont think angel should be PWA at all...

Spark for PWA Admin, Houndini for Asst

[HoudiniMan]

Originally posted by Tseng
Don't make me laugh. Houdini already said he was going to quit the PWA, though I'm sure by now his decision was reversed just to annoy the rest of us.

Don't make me laugh. And you always refer to the "rest of us" while the other GST members assure me they don't share your opinion. Interesting.

[osrs]

I could pay $100 to see a thread without fights.

[Geno]

Originally posted by osrs
I could pay $100 to see a thread without fights.

http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/s...threadid=47674
pay please ^.^

[Amagius]

I do wonder how one is tested/chosen for these parts. I've seen PWA leave and come, but never understood how quiet they came.

[Python523]

Originally posted by HoudiniMan


Don't make me laugh. And you always refer to the "rest of us" while the other GST members assure me they don't share your opinion. Interesting.

no I am not saying I agree with Tseng and I am not saying I agree with you

I'm a GST member o.O I never assured you anything

[Tseng]

Originally posted by Python523

no I am not saying I agree with Tseng and I am not saying I agree with you

I'm a GST member o.O I never assured you anything

He's pathetically counting on the other members' unwillingness to make their feelings public. Tis a shame that they are not as vocal as me, otherwise Houdini's ego could have deflated somewhat.

[ETD]

Originally posted by Tseng

He's pathetically counting on the other members' unwillingness to make their feelings public. Tis a shame that they are not as vocal as me, otherwise Houdini's ego could have deflated somewhat.

could you please refrain from publically bashing Houdiniman? It's really starting to make me sick. what HM said was that not all GST members share your opinion.. he never said they agreed with him either, and anyways, it shouldn't matter, everyone has their own opinions, and you have made your opinion of Houdiniman perfectly clear, so you have no need to continuely post these negative comments.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by ETD

could you please refrain from publically bashing Houdiniman? It's really starting to make me sick.

And you've only been bashing Moon God/Goddess/Npulse in practically every post from a few days ago. Your point is what?

You are another pathetic little hypocrite. Kindly silence yourself.

what HM said was that not all GST members share your opinion.. he never said they agreed with him either,

His post says that they supposedly "assured" Houdiniman that they do not share the belief that he is a bad PWA member/should be removed. This is not the case. He is lying.

and anyways, it shouldn't matter, everyone has their own opinions,

If it doesn't matter, then why are you posting? Again: Hypocrite.

and you have made your opinion of Houdiniman perfectly clear, so you have no need to continuely post these negative comments, when they are not needed.

Really? I would argue that they are necessary until he is removed.

[Golbez]

Originally posted by draco5432
I dont think angel should be PWA at all...

Spark for PWA Admin, Houndini for Asst

Im sorry for agueing but who are you? You have 200 posts and barely anyone knows you and yet your voting on people? Not only I never see you post but I never see you on Graal, how can you judge a book by its cover? Angel is a hard worker, she is a vary busy woman, PWA is just a little bit of her job now she also helps with scripts and many other stuff.. I worked witch her on what 3 servers? I've known how hard of a worker she is, my vote goes on her, but its really a tie between her and Spark since Spark has also done alot. Houndini is totaly out of the question (no offance man...) he was already suspended, if anything before he can claim him self as a PWA Admin at all he needs to prove us with all he has got in him, because as of now not much people trust him.

[Python523]

Originally posted by Golbez


Im sorry for agueing but who are you? You have 200 posts and barely anyone knows you and yet your voting on people? Not only I never see you post but I never see you on Graal, how can you judge a book by its cover? Angel is a hard worker, she is a vary busy woman, PWA is just a little bit of her job now she also helps with scripts and many other stuff.. I worked witch her on what 3 servers? I've known how hard of a worker she is, my vote goes on her, but its really a tie between her and Spark since Spark has also done alot. Houndini is totaly out of the question (no offance man...) he was already suspended, if anything before he can claim him self as a PWA Admin at all he needs to prove us with all he has got in him, because as of now not much people trust him.

Post count doesn't mean he hasn't played graal enough to get to know them, he could have bought a classic only account, and the pwa handles classic servers, not gold ones, which the boards require (or a VIP account).

Personally, although this may seem biased, but I, as a person, not as a GST member, see this solution as the best. Some of the GST are already doing a lot of PWA work, I wouldn't be surprised if more people go to us than the PWA. The PWA and GST could theoretically merge, if it wasn't for spark and houdini, I don't want to say we should fire them, but it is almost as if the PWA are unneeded if people are already going to a completely different staff division to get their problems solved. The GST all are in some way friends/closely related to Stefan, so it wouldn't really require a leader. I myself talk to Stefan at least an hour everyday, so contacting him to make administrative decisions has never been a problem for me.

Note: If you find a problem with my statement: sorry, I'm just going by what I've seen been done, if the GST would take over the PWA work, would there really be that much of a difference? Think about that question before you respond. And please refrain from telling me I am powerhungry for suggesting such a thing, because just think for a second, I already have global level 1 rc, so what power would I be gaining? I already do some playerworld work, so it is not like I am gaining any new authority. Also, my solution wouldn't require someone to be given more power, as I said, Stefan is in charge of the GST, and it wouldn't change if the two would merge.

[ETD]

Originally posted by Tseng
And you've only been bashing Moon God/Goddess/Npulse in practically every post from a few days ago. Your point is what?

actually, i wasnt, if I was, then i would have recieved a warning about it, but i didn't... besides, attacking me is not a reasonable argument at all, you are only trying to draw attention away from your own posts, by pointing your finger somewhere else.

Originally posted by Tseng
You are another pathetic little hypocrite. Kindly silence yourself.?

stating that I am a hypocrite does not change the validity of my argument. If you have a problem with me posting about moonie, yet you have no problem with bashing houdiniman yourself, it seems you are just as much of a hypocrite as i would be.

Originally posted by Tseng
His post says that they supposedly "assured" Houdiniman that they do not share the belief that he is a bad PWA member/should be removed. This is not the case. He is lying.

how so? it seems that Python523's post says that he is NOT agreeing with you Tseng... and that is what HM said.

Originally posted by Tseng
If it doesn't matter, then why are you posting? Again: Hypocrite.

that statment was ment to be attached to the next thing you quoted -_- don't be rude, and miss-quote me.

Originally posted by Tseng
Really? I would argue that they are necessary until he is removed.

How about following the forum rules? if you have a problem with Houdiniman, then take it to the proper person(s) that can deal with it, and leave it off the forums... I wouldn't think I would have to remind YOU of all people, about the forum rules.

[Python523]

Originally posted by ETD


how so? it seems that Python523's post says that he is NOT agreeing with you Tseng... and that is what HM said.

My nick is jagen, it's in my sig
Just because I don't agree with him, doesn't mean that I disagree, I only choose not to pick a side because I refuse to get involved with another fight

[ETD]

Originally posted by Python523


My nick is jagen, it's in my sig
Just because I don't agree with him, doesn't mean that I disagree, I only choose not to pick a side because I refuse to get involved with another fight

thanks for clearing that up, because when you say you do not agree with someone, that generally means that you disagree (since disagree means that you do not agree)
0.o'
and anyways, about your idea of the GST taking the place of the PWA... i think that could work, but what ever happened to the PWA being incharge of moving servers to and from the 'group 3'?

why not change the focus of the PWA to be entirly about judging online servers, to see if they are good enough to go public, and if they are not good enough, then they get sent back to group 3?

because adding this onto the GST, ontop of what you already have to do, would seem a bit excessive

[draco5432]

Originally posted by Golbez


Im sorry for agueing but who are you? You have 200 posts and barely anyone knows you and yet your voting on people?

Im not a posthappy person like yourself, so i dought people would know me on the forums. My sig should clarify now on who i am...and honestly i have seen more and heard alot more then you ever will.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by ETD

actually, i wasnt, if I was, then i would have recieved a warning about it, but i didn't...

You missed the point, fool. You received no warning as it was permitted. The likewise goes for me.

besides, attacking me is not a reasonable argument at all, you are only trying to draw attention away from your own posts, by pointing your finger somewhere else.

No, it's to make you realize you aren't a hundredth as smart as you think. Unfortunately, that hasn't worked yet.

stating that I am a hypocrite does not change the validity of my argument. If you have a problem with me posting about moonie, yet you have no problem with bashing houdiniman yourself, it seems you are just as much of a hypocrite as i would be.

Sure it does. Besides that, as I already mentioned, you completely missed the point. My point was that you got away with it, and therefore it is hypocritical to post saying that someone else should get in trouble for doing something you admit is the same.

how so? it seems that Python523's post says that he is NOT agreeing with you Tseng... and that is what HM said.

No, again, here is where literacy helps. Houdini said that other GST assured him that they did not agree with me. Jagen made no such assurance.

that statment was ment to be attached to the next thing you quoted -_- don't be rude, and miss-quote me.

Learn some grammer; use periods or semicolons to separate sentences. If you lack the intelligence to do so yourself, don't assume anyone else can read your horribly strung together posts.

How about following the forum rules? if you have a problem with Houdiniman, then take it to the proper person(s) that can deal with it, and leave it off the forums... I wouldn't think I would have to remind YOU of all people, about the forum rules.

Hypocricy again. You failed to follow this yourself - you have no grounds to accuse me of the same. And, I am merely responding to posts already made within a thread and providing my comments. Again, if you could get away with it, why cannot I?

In short - Learn the definition of hypocricy. Learn grammar. Learn to spontaneously fire some brain cells.

Then, post again.

[ETD]

Originally posted by Tseng
Sure it does. Besides that, as I already mentioned, you completely missed the point. My point was that you got away with it, and therefore it is hypocritical to post saying that someone else should get in trouble for doing something you admit is the same.

and it is also hypocritical of you to say that i can not ask you to stop, when you did the same to me, get my point yet? If your defence is that you are doing the same thing, as i did to moonie, then I will just use the defence that i am doing the same thing you did. There's no way you can insult my standing on this issue, without insulting yourself... and throwing new insults into the mix isn't going to help

Originally posted by Tseng
Houdini said that other GST assured him that they did not agree with me. Jagen made no such assurance.

yet he never said he agreed with you... and in your post, Houdiniman says that you refered to the other GST members, and so your post was wrong as well (according to what he said). Anyways, this topic is between you, and HoudiniMan, I was only oposed to you continuely insulting him in the forums.

Originally posted by Tseng
I am merely responding to posts already made within a thread and providing my comments. Again, if you could get away with it, why cannot I?

your posts are flat out insults... mine may have had negative comments in them, but in no place did I ever insult moonie, or MG directly... I didn't call them "pathetic" or "fools" or anything of that nature.

If you didn't notice, i refuse to reply to your insults of me, because those replies would just lead to further insults. All I did was post, asking that you stop insulting Houdiniman, and so you turned your insults twards me... how nice. -_-

[Tseng]

Originally posted by ETD

and it is also hypocritical of you to say that i can not ask you to stop, when you did the same to me, get my point yet? If your defence is that you are doing the same thing, as i did to moonie, then I will just use the defence that i am doing the same thing you did. There's no way you can insult my standing on this issue, without insulting yourself... and throwing new insults into the mix isn't going to help

No, you don't understand. It's quite simple, and I will explain it again for your slow mind:

You did something. I found fault with it. Nothing was done. I shrugged, and exhibited what you consider to be the same behavior. If it was deemed ok for you, then how could it not be ok for me?

You cannot argue that something should be done about what I have posted - to do so is hypocritical.

yet he never said he agreed with you... and in your post, Houdiniman says that you refered to the other GST members, and so your post was wrong as well (according to what he said). Anyways, this topic is between you, and HoudiniMan, I was only oposed to you continuely insulting him in the forums.

Again: Read. If you did, you would note that what I disagreed with was Houdini's statement that several GST have assured him that they do not agree with me, and from Jagen's post, as well as talking to the members myself, this is not the case.

your posts are flat out insults... mine may have had negative comments in them, but in no place did I ever insult moonie, or MG directly... I didn't call them "pathetic" or "fools" or anything of that nature.

Well, in the posts which you quoted, they were exhibiting the behavior of neither. You are exhibiting the behavior of both.

If you didn't notice, i refuse to reply to your insults of me, because those replies would just lead to further insults. All I did was post, asking that you stop insulting Houdiniman, and so you turned your insults twards me... how nice. -_-

But you are replying. Professing to believe/follow something other than what you in actuality believe/follow is bad, man. It also happens to be the definition of hypocrisy.

[Projectshifter]

I am also GST don't forget
Houdini is a friend of mine, and he is a nice guy. But to be totally honest... I don't think he's cut out for PWA =/
---Shifter

[Tseng]

Originally posted by Projectshifter
I am also GST don't forget
Houdini is a friend of mine, and he is a nice guy. But to be totally honest... I don't think he's cut out for PWA =/
---Shifter

We don't forget ya, PS.

[ETD]

Originally posted by Tseng
exhibited what you consider to be the same behavior.

I never said it was the same, YOU said it was the same. I posted the exact oposite, and stated that your posts are directly insulting, where-as my posts were not even negative, they only got turned negative by moonie and MG over-reacting
-_-
I wish you did not bring this up again, i was hoping for all the arguing over this topic to be over.

Originally posted by Tseng
But you are replying. Professing to believe/follow something other than what you in actuality believe/follow is bad, man. It also happens to be the definition of hypocrisy.

I am replying to the fact that you are insulting houdiniman, and now you are insulting me, just because i am asking you to stop your insulting

can you please just stop it with the insults now?

[Tseng]

Originally posted by ETD

I never said it was the same, YOU said it was the same. I posted the exact oposite, and stated that your posts are directly insulting, where-as my posts were not even negative, they only got turned negative by moonie and MG over-reacting
-_-
I wish you did not bring this up again, i was hoping for all this arguing over this topic to be over.

And then you used that same fact as a point to say that I am wrong somehow. Pick a side, man. You can't argue both and hope to be on the winning one.

I am replying to the fact that you are insulting houdiniman, and now you are insulting me, just because i am asking you to stop your insulting

No, I'm insulting you because you are exhibiting every behavior which I enumerated.

can you please just stop it with the insults now?

Sure.

By the way: Nice job ignoring the rest of my points.

[ETD]

Originally posted by Tseng
And then you used that same fact as a point to say that I am wrong somehow. Pick a side, man. You can't argue both and hope to be on the winning one.

I think you understood my point, if what you are posting was the same type as what i was posting, then calling me a hypocrite does not fit, since you posted against me when i posted, so why can't i post against you when you post? but this is not the case, your posts are being insulting, where-as mine were not.

Originally posted by Tseng
By the way: Nice job ignoring the rest of my points.

everything i ignored was either an insult, or it was about what you and Houdiniman were arguing about, which is not my place to comment anyways, I shouldn't have posted about it in the first place.

[Tseng]

Originally posted by ETD

I think you understood my point, if what you are posting was the same type as what i was posting, then calling me a hypocrite does not fit, since you posted against me when i posted, so why can't i post against you when you post? but this is not the case, your posts are being insulting, where-as mine were not.

The situations are different to an extent though, even you must realize this. Previously, I had deemed such comments as bad. However, the results of the debates on the matter were such that my opinion was reversed and my knowledge of where the line lay was clarified. So, you cannot say that that aspect is exactly the same. However, in your case it was just the opposite - you learned that it was alright, and then you decided to post saying that it was not. If anything, you should have learned from the experience, but you did not.

everything i ignored was either an insult, or it was about what you and Houdiniman were arguing about, which is not my place to comment anyways, I shouldn't have posted about it in the first place.

But you persisted in saying that Houdiniman's statement was completely correct, when I proved that it was not.

[Kaimetsu]

Okay.

First of all, I too have made no assurances to HoudiniMan. That adds up to four of six members?

Next, there was a lot of unnecessary fighting in this thread. I've talked to those concerned.

Lastly, the GST-taking-over-from-the-PWA thing has merit, but isn't perfect. For example:

1) Certain individuals are sufficiently mature and responsible to join the PWA, but don't possess the scripting skill to enter the GST. How would they be handled in this new system?
2) Certain individuals on the GST would probably be poor choices for PWA members. Kick them out of the merged team, or have divisions therein?

[ETD]

Originally posted by Tseng
The situations are different to an extent though, even you must realize this. Previously, I had deemed such comments as bad. However, the results of the debates on the matter were such that my opinion was reversed and my knowledge of where the line lay was clarified. So, you cannot say that that aspect is exactly the same. However, in your case it was just the opposite - you learned that it was alright, and then you decided to post saying that it was not. If anything, you should have learned from the experience, but you did not.

since that set of arguments, there haven't been any problems on these forums, have there? Who are you to say that i didn't learn anything from that situation?

Originally posted by Tseng
But you persisted in saying that Houdiniman's statement was completely correct, when I proved that it was not.

last i checked i was not persisting anything regarding that topic, I told you i dropped it, because it's not my place. If you wish to assume that you are right, then you are free to do so, I don't care, that's you, and Houdiniman's fight, and not mine.

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
have divisions therein?

why have 2 divisions? then you might as well have the PWA be apart... or let people be in both the PWA, as well as the GST...
(that might work, why not let other globals be a part of the PWA?)

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by ETD
why have 2 divisions? then you might as well have the PWA be apart... or let people be in both the PWA, as well as the GST...
(that might work, why not let other globals be a part of the PWA?)

I'm just saying it's one of the solutions for the problem I mentioned. I didn't say it's the best or only one.

[ETD]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu

I'm just saying it's one of the solutions for the problem I mentioned. I didn't say it's the best or only one.

but what do you think about allowing other global staff to be members of the PWA?
then GST members could work in PWA as well... which should solve the problem
=x

[HoudiniMan]

Allow me to correct my error. Angel assured me none of the other GST members thought i did my job poorly. With the exception of PS, possibly, i think this still rings true. If not, take it up with her.

Please excuse me for putting words in the GST's mouth, since i mentally only remembered the fact that not all of the GST hates me - contradictory to Tseng's preachings - and i didn't document the incident well enough in memory that it stood out in my mind while i was typing the previous post. Now only because i had conciously tried to remember it.

[Tseng]

A couple of us (Angel and I) already officially do help solve playerworld problems.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by ETD
but what do you think about allowing other global staff to be members of the PWA?

Sounds like a good solution.

Originally posted by HoudiniMan
Allow me to correct my error. Angel assured me none of the other GST members thought i did my job poorly.

Well, for your information, it's not true.

[HoudiniMan]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu
Well, for your information, it's not true.

Well i'd like to hear a real reason as to why you or whomever might think this...

Glad you're not my boss then eh?

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by HoudiniMan
Well i'd like to hear a real reason as to why you or whomever might think this...

Tales of power abuse, improper intervention etc. If it were only a single story then I might dismiss it, but I've heard numerous damning recollections, all from different people.

[HoudiniMan]

Well sicne i know you haven't heard the story from me you can't have based it on hearing both sides.. but i can't stop you from forming opinons i suppose.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by HoudiniMan
Well sicne i know you haven't heard the story from me you can't have based it on hearing both sides.. but i can't stop you from forming opinons i suppose.

Are testimonials from both sides always necessary? Nobody can be unfavourably judged without personally acknowledging their wrongdoing? So basically liars are exempt from condemnation?

I know I can't prove that you're a bad staff member. I'm just justifying my opinion that you are.

[Spark910]

Due to the very small team, and Houdini not on when I am on. I often call for help if there is a big thing, where I'd like someone else there. Or alot of things to do, that just one person can't do at once. I'd like to see the PWA build up a team of new people, as well as getting help from current global staff too.

[osrs]

Originally posted by Geno


http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/s...threadid=47674
pay please ^.^

I will argue to Spark,so i won't pay.

[Spark910]

'Pay Please'
Woa?

[ETD]

Originally posted by Spark910
'Pay Please'
Woa?

look back over the thread, then it will make sence