Griffin - Page 3

TifaKhan · #81 09-01-2003, 01:55 PM

As a note i would like to say, that the Manager of Griffin came on Doomsday , and we discussed things, and he kindly unbanned me.
I hope some good will come from this, and perhaps thanks to the rules being drawn up, situations like this will not occur in the future.

Torankusu · #82 09-02-2003, 05:40 AM

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Originally posted by TifaKhan
As a note i would like to say, that the Manager of Griffin came on Doomsday , and we discussed things, and he kindly unbanned me.
I hope some good will come from this, and perhaps thanks to the rules being drawn up, situations like this will not occur in the future.

So am I right or not? Playerworlds can use whatever graphics they like, except GK's, right...?

Kaimetsu · #83 09-02-2003, 06:16 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
So am I right or not? Playerworlds can use whatever graphics they like, except GK's, right...?

Pretty sure you're wrong, dawg, even if it hasn't been formally written up anywhere.

Darlene159 · #84 09-02-2003, 07:03 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
So am I right or not? Playerworlds can use whatever graphics they like, except GK's, right...?

Gah, there were just some rules put up on these forums by Spark...you cant use other servers gfx

Torankusu · #85 09-02-2003, 07:34 AM

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Originally posted by Darlene159
you cant use other servers gfx

That doesn't seem fair. I don't care if they are to be PW specific or not, but it's graalonline's, not yours, you lose rights to grant "permission" to use them once uploaded, as they become property of Graal Online...

AlkarenHyralt · #86 09-02-2003, 08:43 AM

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Originally posted by TifaKhan
If necessary, I will take legal action; this is my account, that I paid for. I won't be banned for no reason, except the fact that I asked them to remove our hats.

After fixing your grammer I would just like to point out that taking legal actions over events that happen in a game, continues to be the most empty threat ever made on graal. I'm amazed so many people still use it.

superb · #87 09-02-2003, 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
That doesn't seem fair. I don't care if they are to be PW specific or not, but it's graalonline's, not yours, you lose rights to grant "permission" to use them once uploaded, as they become property of Graal Online...

It's been settled. Graphics cannot be used without permission unless they are considered public domain such as graphics from Graal: The Adventure.

Darlene159 · #88 09-02-2003, 03:18 PM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
That doesn't seem fair. I don't care if they are to be PW specific or not, but it's graalonline's, not yours, you lose rights to grant "permission" to use them once uploaded, as they become property of Graal Online...

lol, welcome to life....

Anyway, what isthe big deal? If you want something make it yourself, or find someone who can make it (I know that is easier said then done)

Menace_P2P · #89 09-02-2003, 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by matt8891
How are out staff supposed to know if they your hat's??im sure we didnt know when we uploaded them....

OMG.. u can accept stolen stuff when you have LordVyse working on your server. I heard he tryed out for some other server with UN levels, or something like that.

.. i warned Griffin about him, but they dont care, and yes i also saw the dice but i didnt think they would be dumb enough to put that on w/out permission.

.. Point is: Hire LordVyse.. Excpect stealing

.. Well thats what i hear atleast..
[Edit:Teehee im so late on this thread ^-^:Edit]

LegendaryAzreil · #90 09-04-2003, 01:37 AM

People should get permission before using others graphics. Simple, easy, and if they say no big deal. Make it yourself.

HoudiniMan · #91 09-04-2003, 03:09 AM

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Originally posted by LegendaryAzreil
People should get permission before using others graphics. Simple, easy, and if they say no big deal. Make it yourself.

Stop bringing back this thread. This should have been reported to the PWA. That's what we do.

LegendaryAzreil · #92 09-04-2003, 04:54 AM

**** Houdini. I pwn you.

Tseng · #93 09-04-2003, 05:01 AM

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Stop bringing back this thread. This should have been reported to the PWA. That's what we do.

Yeah, but the likelihood of servers listening to you is about even with the likelihood of all of the servers following the rules in the first place.

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**** Houdini. I pwn you.

That is uncalled for.

zell12 · #94 09-04-2003, 05:45 AM

I'd just like to make a comment on the copyright issue. To copyright something you dont need to register it k?

HoudiniMan · #95 09-04-2003, 06:41 AM

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Originally posted by Tseng
Yeah, but the likelihood of servers listening to you is about even with the likelihood of all of the servers following the rules in the first place.

Me possibly, but if "you" was referring to the PWA you're sorely misaken, however im not stupid and i recognize a childish quip trying to ruffle my feathers when i see it.

As for you Azreil - play nice.

Tseng · #96 09-04-2003, 06:54 AM

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Originally posted by HoudiniMan

Me possibly, but if "you" was referring to the PWA you're sorely misaken, however im not stupid and i recognize a childish quip trying to ruffle my feathers when i see it.

Ah, my error for not specifying. By you, I meant you, Houdiniman.

superb · #97 09-04-2003, 08:42 AM

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Originally posted by zell12
I'd just like to make a comment on the copyright issue. To copyright something you dont need to register it k?

You do unless you can prove ownership in a way that will be accepted by a court of law.

Tseng · #98 09-04-2003, 08:47 AM

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Originally posted by superb

You do unless you can prove ownership in a way that will be accepted by a court of law.

Nah, you don't need to register it to have the copyright. You only need to register the copyright if you are planning on taking legal action.

superb · #99 09-04-2003, 08:56 AM

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Originally posted by Tseng

Nah, you don't need to register it to have the copyright. You only need to register the copyright if you are planning on taking legal action.

That's what I was talking about. If your work has no registered copyright, and someone steals it and you sue, you have to prove to the court that you produced the work first. In the case of music, usually one mails a physical copy (CD or tape) of the work and the musical notation (if possible) to themselves. The postmarked date is admissible as evidence in a court of law. Registering for a copyright saves you the trouble of having to do this, but it is expensive.

zell12 · #**100** 09-04-2003, 10:05 PM

I wish you people would stop acting like you know so much about this, Kai already explained copyrights, trademarks and such, why do we have to go over it again.

Tseng · #**101** 09-04-2003, 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by zell12
I wish you people would stop acting like you know so much about this, Kai already explained copyrights, trademarks and such, why do we have to go over it again.

You're the one who brought it up and started "acting like you knew so much about it", genius.

superb · #**102** 09-04-2003, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by zell12
I wish you people would stop acting like you know so much about this, Kai already explained copyrights, trademarks and such, why do we have to go over it again.

As a musician and composer, I have to know about copyrights in order to protect my intellectual property.

zell12 · #**103** 09-05-2003, 04:01 AM

Tseng, I know for a fact you don't have to register a copyright, that is a patent.

Tseng · #**104** 09-05-2003, 04:13 AM

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Originally posted by zell12
Tseng, I know for a fact you don't have to register a copyright, that is a patent.

Uh, dude. I never said you had to, only for court cases. Here's some info for ya, straight from the U.S. Copyright Office.:

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COPYRIGHT REGISTRATION

In general, copyright registration is a legal formality intended to make a public record of the basic facts of a particular copyright. However, registration is not a condition of copyright protection. Even though registration is not a requirement for protection, the copyright law provides several inducements or advantages to encourage copyright owners to make registration. Among these -advantages are the following:

-Registration establishes a public record of the copyright claim.

-Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration is necessary for works of U. S. origin.

-If made before or within 5 years of publication, registration will establish prima facie evidence in court of the validity of the copyright and of the facts stated in the certificate.

-If registration is made within 3 months after publication of the work or prior to an infringement of the work, statutory damages and attorney's fees will be available to the copyright owner in court actions. Otherwise, only an award of actual damages and profits is available to the copyright owner.

-Registration allows the owner of the copyright to record the registration with the U. S. Customs Service for protection against the importation of infringing copies. For additional information, request Publication No. 563 "How to Protect Your Intellectual Property Right," from: U.S. Customs Service, P.O. Box 7404, Washington, D.C. 20044. See the U.S. Customs Service Website at www.customs.gov for online publications.

Registration may be made at any time within the life of the copyright. Unlike the law before 1978, when a work has been registered in unpublished form, it is not necessary to make another registration when the work becomes published, although the copyright owner may register the published edition, if desired.

zell12 · #**105** 09-05-2003, 04:18 AM

Well, all i'm saying is content made for this game doesn't need to be registered because GraalOnline has its one register on all content made for the playerworlds. So if someone "copyrights" certian images etc., for a playerworld, they cannot be used on another.

Tseng · #**106** 09-05-2003, 04:34 AM

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Originally posted by zell12
Well, all i'm saying is content made for this game doesn't need to be registered because GraalOnline has its one register on all content made for the playerworlds. So if someone "copyrights" certian images etc., for a playerworld, they cannot be used on another.

No, you're not saying that, or at least you weren't. You're changing your story to attempt to not look foolish.

You said copyrights do not need to be registered anywhere - blanket statement. Then, when Pickles and I disagreed, citing that in order to file a lawsuit you would need to register your copyright, you told us they did not know what they were talking about.

And, lawsuits related to graal graphics are moot, since they are not the legal property of any of us, only Stefan's. While the in-game rules may limit what servers can use them, one server cannot claim court-of-law legal ownership of a graphic, only in-game "ownership" of a graphic.

And, do you have any idea what you are talking about? "One register on all content made by playerworlds"? Do you realize the impossibility of this statement?

zell12 · #**107** 09-05-2003, 04:48 AM

All content sumited to GraalOnline is theres right? So that must mean all of it is copyrighted.

DustyPorViva · #**108** 09-05-2003, 04:52 AM

That copyright rule.... erm law actually that Graal has needs to be updated.

They need to specify now about the new servers and such, there is too much confusion.

zell12 · #**109** 09-05-2003, 04:55 AM

Anyway, lets just drop this, and wait for the code to be updated

Tseng · #**110** 09-05-2003, 04:59 AM

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Originally posted by zell12
All content sumited to GraalOnline is theres right? So that must mean all of it is copyrighted.

Uh, do you know the difference between "copyright" and "registered copyright"? You must register something with the copyright office to have a registered copyright. You can't register all the things you will be making, before they're made. Again, your words were "registered copyright" and not merely "copyright". Make up your mind about what it is you're trying to say.

zell12 · #**111** 09-05-2003, 05:03 AM

I'm a confusing person.:grin:

Tseng · #**112** 09-05-2003, 05:07 AM

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I'm a confusing person.:grin:

I noticed.

zell12 · #**113** 09-05-2003, 05:13 AM

I think everyone on the forums did now.

HoudiniMan · #**114** 09-05-2003, 06:13 AM

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Originally posted by DustyPorViva
That copyright rule.... erm law actually that Graal has needs to be updated.
They need to specify now about the new servers and such, there is too much confusion.

I think it's good that they keep the same policy regarding all work uploaded to the payed servers is still their property, it will save them many headaches and is a good contract term to avoid players who try to take legal action over silly things.