Tips

[cody1990]

i was wondering if anyone could give me some tips on making levels

[magicbud3344]

psst read the level tutorials that are stickied.

[Waltz5]

Either try making a level using a tutorial or simply make your own. Then post it. It's a lot easier to tell you what to improve then simply giving tons of tips, because many my not apply to you based on what you do.

[Aknts]

Originally posted by Waltz5
Either try making a level using a tutorial or simply make your own. Then post it. It's a lot easier to tell you what to improve then simply giving tons of tips, because many my not apply to you based on what you do.

Good advice. Yes I say either try doing a tutorial or make one yourself. Either way we will tell you what can be fixed if needed.
Best way to get good at levels is trial and error.

[Spark910]

Thats not a tutorial, it doesn't tell you where to find the tiles or any advise on how to apply them. Its purly a look at me make a level over stages.

Best bet just make one and post it.

[draygin]

Originally posted by Spark910
Thats not a tutorial, it doesn't tell you where to find the tiles or any advise on how to apply them. Its purly a look at me make a level over stages.

It shows you what types of tiles to use and how to use them properly and effectivly thus making it a tutorial. It just needs added on to show what not to do. It doesn't say tutorial on where to find things. It's a tutorial on how to use them properly. The tutorial is assuming you've played with the tiles on your own and know where to find things or to look at the predefined objects if you still can't find it. God forbid some one take the spot light off you and your sad attempts at eventually becomming a moderator over this forum. If you don't think it's a tutorial then make one and stop crying about one some one else took the time to make when its a very effective one.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by draygin


The tutorial is assuming you've played with the tiles on your own and know where to find things or to look at the predefined objects if you still can't find it.

You answered it your self. A tutorial is to tutor. And people mostly need tutoring when they don’t already know something.

Originally posted by draygin


God forbid some one take the spot light off you and your sad attempts at eventually becomming a moderator over this forum.

I'd never get Moderator here. I wouldn't really want to either, as I am not a good enough level maker. I am learning too, so to make me MOD would be a pointless event and would not help at all. I have made zero attempts to become MOD here, I think you will find that all posts about MOD here, that include my name, are written by someone else. If I wished to be MOD or wanted to, I would have started the threads, which I have not.

Originally posted by draygin

If you don't think it's a tutorial then make one and stop crying about one some one else took the time to make when its a very effective one.

Just because I do not like one tutorial, it does not mean I have to make one. People on these forums think that you can’t give opinions without showing something better than that of which you are giving opinions on. It doesn’t work that way one bit. And for the record, I don't seem to be crying at all, I was clearly only pointing out flaws in the tutorial. So next time you want to go and flame me, think about what you are accusing me of, and do not accuse me of flamming at all when I am only stating my views and opinions on the situation.

[draygin]

Originally posted by Spark910


You answered it your self. A tutorial is to tutor. And people mostly need tutoring when they don’t already know something.



I'd never get Moderator here. I wouldn't really want to either, as I am not a good enough level maker. I am learning too, so to make me MOD would be a pointless event and would not help at all. I have made zero attempts to become MOD here, I think you will find that all posts about MOD here, that include my name, are written by someone else. If I wished to be MOD or wanted to, I would have started the threads, which I have not.



Just because I do not like one tutorial, it does not mean I have to make one. People on these forums think that you can’t give opinions without showing something better than that of which you are giving opinions on. It doesn’t work that way one bit. And for the record, I don't seem to be crying at all, I was clearly only pointing out flaws in the tutorial. So next time you want to go and flame me, think about what you are accusing me of, and do not accuse me of flamming at all when I am only stating my views and opinions on the situation.

My flame was in you saying it was not a tutorial in which you just admitted it was. It is not a level editor tutorial (a tutorial on how to use the level editor) It is a tutorial on how to make a level in which it does a good job. You have admitted it is a tutorial. Wether or not its a good one is a matter of opinion. Flame ended. Next time think about what you're saying before you say it and there will be no need to flame.

[Aknts]

Originally posted by draygin


My flame was in you saying it was not a tutorial in which you just admitted it was. It is not a level editor tutorial (a tutorial on how to use the level editor) It is a tutorial on how to make a level in which it does a good job. You have admitted it is a tutorial. Wether or not its a good one is a matter of opinion. Flame ended. Next time think about what you're saying before you say it and there will be no need to flame.

Agreed. =)
Cody1990 if you need further help message me on aim. My screen name is in my signature.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by draygin


My flame was in you saying it was not a tutorial in which you just admitted it was. It is not a level editor tutorial (a tutorial on how to use the level editor) It is a tutorial on how to make a level in which it does a good job. You have admitted it is a tutorial. Wether or not its a good one is a matter of opinion. Flame ended. Next time think about what you're saying before you say it and there will be no need to flame.

1.) The flame never even started.
2.) I thought and knew everything i was typing in that post!
3.) I didn't admit it was a tutorial, I was questioning your own words:

The tutorial is assuming you've played with the tiles on your own and know where to find things or to look at the predefined objects if you still can't find it.

Which is why I said:

And people mostly need tutoring when they don’t already know something.

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Anyway, i'd rarther not continue this further, you have your opinions, I have mine.

[draygin]

Originally posted by Spark910


1.) The flame never even started.
2.) I thought and knew everything i was typing in that post!
3.) I didn't admit it was a tutorial, I was questioning your own words:



Which is why I said:

And people mostly need tutoring when they don’t already know something.

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Anyway, i'd rarther not continue this further, you have your opinions, I have mine.

1. We all have our opinions so we'll skip this one

2. If you knew and had thought about everything you said then this only makes you look worse. =\

3.

Originally posted by Spark910
Thats not a tutorial,

Originally posted by Spark910
Just because I do not like one tutorial, it does not mean I have to make one.

Originally posted by Spark910
I was clearly only pointing out flaws in the tutorial.

I saw no question in your post regarding it being a tutorial. Only
you admitting to it which I've show here.

Also refer to previous post where I explained it was not a tutorial on how to use the level editor but it was one on how to make a level look nice. It gave a step by step process on what to do. It told you what tiles to use. The only thing it didnt do was tell you what not to do. That in my opinion would have made it a better tutorial. (Maybe you could ad on for that Spanky)

Always an easy way to stop a conversation. That is dont respond. As I wont have anything to respond to. Either that or a post that doesnt have anything I might feel the need to respond to such as I have here.

[Mykel]

Originally posted by draygin
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Dude, take it easy. You disect all of his words. We dont need another Kai. It is a tutorial on a very small part of the tileset. But, it doesn't say where any of the tiles are and probably only consists of about 5% of the total tiles. Spark was pointing this out. Leave him alone. And btw, I have been the one reccommending him for Mod, because he does a good job in reviews, and is decent at levels himself. Not him.

[Spark910]

Always an easy way to stop a conversation. That is dont respond. As I wont have anything to respond to. Either that or a post that doesnt have anything I might feel the need to respond to such as I have here.

You should have the maturity to stop anyway if you want to. If you cant help but scratch my eyes out every time I post, thats your problem.

Wether or not its a good one is a matter of opinion.

You have said it your self already. OPINIONS. I don't see why you have taken it this far.

[draygin]

Originally posted by Spark910


You should have the maturity to stop anyway if you want to. If you cant help but scratch my eyes out every time I post, thats your problem.

You have said it your self already. OPINIONS. I don't see why you have taken it this far.

Please show me where I have flamed you all the time? As far as I'm aware this is the first time I've flamed you. My whole flame was in you stating it wasnt a tutorial. Then later you admitted to it being a tutorial, problem resolved. I'm in no way clawing your eyes out I am simply pointing out your flawed logic and contradictions.

[draygin]

Originally posted by Mykel

Dude, take it easy. You disect all of his words. We dont need another Kai. It is a tutorial on a very small part of the tileset. But, it doesn't say where any of the tiles are and probably only consists of about 5% of the total tiles. Spark was pointing this out. Leave him alone. And btw, I have been the one reccommending him for Mod, because he does a good job in reviews, and is decent at levels himself. Not him.

What was it you said once to me? Oh yes now I remember. Do your lips hurt? Because Sparks ass sure does.

Yes that was my whole point it is infact a tutorial. Something he admitted to then denied. It wasnt a tutorial on how to find things just on what to use. Perhaps pointing the area out of where they're found is a good suggestion. Same with perhaps adding a spot on showing what not to do. If you go back my flame was not in that he was posting out suggestions on what could be done to improve the tutorial but in the fact he was stating it was not a tutorial so it shouldnt be used. When him and even you yourself have both admitted to it being a tutorial. Had it just been a suggestion to improve a tutorial there would have been no need for a flame and I would have agreed with him whole heartdly.

[Spark910]

Had it just been a suggestion to improve a tutorial there would have been no need for a flame and I would have agreed with him whole heartdly

It always was only a suggestion of whats not there.

It doesn't actually help the people know where the tiles are. Most people wont find half of them tiles, or know what to do with them. For starters the first level, to beginners would be hard enough as it is to make it work.

Can't you see that its a suggestion? I said it doesn help them know where the tiles are. So any person with common sence would see Im making a suggestion about how to improve it, in this case, add where the tiles are for newer people. Either read it twice, or between the the lines.

[draygin]

Originally posted by Spark910


It always was only a suggestion of whats not there.



Can't you see that its a suggestion? I said it doesn help them know where the tiles are. So any person with common sence would see Im making a suggestion about how to improve it, in this case, add where the tiles are for newer people. Either read it twice, or between the the lines.

But with the part about saying its not a tutorial made it seem like you where saying what a tutorial really was rather than a suggestion on how to make it better. In which case as a suggestion that would enhance it. Had you put it just that way I would have probably agreed with you.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by draygin


But with the part about saying its not a tutorial made it seem like you where saying what a tutorial really was rather than a suggestion on how to make it better. In which case as a suggestion that would enhance it. Had you put it just that way I would have probably agreed with you.

Well lets drop it now .
We aren't portraying a great welcome message into level making for cody!

[Mykel]

Originally posted by draygin
What was it you said once to me? Oh yes now I remember. Do your lips hurt? Because Sparks ass sure does.

No, I am supporting him. Grow up.

[draygin]

Originally posted by Mykel
No, I am supporting him. Grow up.

Hey you where the one who originally said it not me. So you really shouldn't be telling me to grow up. You just gave me the same reason as me when you originally said that to me for supporting Birdbird.

To Cody dont let threads like this discourage or get bad feelings towards level makers here. Threads like these are few and far between normally people just stick to giving opinions and ideas.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by draygin
normally people just stick to giving opinions and ideas.

Iv'e done nothing but this, look where we ended up!

[draygin]

Originally posted by Spark910


Iv'e done nothing but this, look where we ended up!

Yea but how often does this happen. It was more of just a few badly placed sentences misenterpreted to appear totally different than how you originally intended.

[PrinceDark]

The tutorial stickied above is like a half tutorial. All it lacks is explanations on why they placed the tiles in the order that they did.
Knowing where the tiles are is not going to help you much if you don't know what to do with them or where they go. The above tutorial is quite useful because it shows a large variety of tiles being used.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by PrinceDark
The tutorial stickied above is like a half tutorial. All it lacks is explanations on why they placed the tiles in the order that they did.
Knowing where the tiles are is not going to help you much if you don't know what to do with them or where they go. The above tutorial is quite useful because it shows a large variety of tiles being used.

*Claps*
Thankyou =D
Thats all I said, and im glad someone agrees with me. The main lack in that tutorial is that some bits aren't already pre-made so you have to make it up your self, and so, it needs to show how to apply and connect correctly the tiles.

[Aknts]

Originally posted by Mykel

Dude, take it easy. You disect all of his words. We dont need another Kai. It is a tutorial on a very small part of the tileset. But, it doesn't say where any of the tiles are and probably only consists of about 5% of the total tiles. Spark was pointing this out. Leave him alone. And btw, I have been the one reccommending him for Mod, because he does a good job in reviews, and is decent at levels himself. Not him.

Its a tutorial assuming you know what to do with the Level Editor. If you don't know where stuff is you don't need a tutorial you need a teacher. If your not good at Algebra you get a tutor.. If you don't know any Algebra you get a teacher, catch my drift?
What boggles my mind is why anyone would even say stupid stuff like "Thats not even a tutorial." Because in my eyes I see they are just jealous.

Im not trying to be a jerk but honestly if someone like spark made a "tutorial" I garuntee the ending level wouldn't look to good. You may be able to tell people where the tiles are but that doesn't mean you know how to use them thus using the tutorial. You go by steps thats how I make every level pretty much, I go in steps. If you know basically what items to use in each step it makes it easier for you to make a good level.

Even though I don't follow those exact steps in the tutorial b/c I am a seasoned level designer. The tutorial is put in order that is much likely to be easiest for someone trying to make a good level.
I just started this level not to long ago and as you can see im doing the same steps.

[Mykel]

done gloating? OK, it is a tutorial, but it helps only a little. But, it is a very good level. And if you are trying to make a level of that nature, it works very good.

[draygin]

Originally posted by Mykel
done gloating? OK, it is a tutorial, but it helps only a little.

And if you are trying to make a level of that nature, it works very good.

These two sentences totally contradict each other.

[Spark910]

Originally posted by draygin




These two sentences totally contradict each other. [/B]

No the top one says it doesnt help much. The second says that its only really useful if your making the exact level/style of level.

[draygin]

Originally posted by Spark910


No the top one says it doesnt help much. The second says that its only really useful if your making the exact level/style of level.

yes I'm aware of what it means and he is contradicting himself. Here let me simplify it for you...

The tutorial was for a specific type of level in which Mykel stated it only helped little.

He then goes on to say if you're making this type of level it helps alot.

Thus a complete contradiction in a post 3 sentences long.

[SingleChance]

i got a question for u all...just curious...no real reason why i'm asking lol
but when you guys make a level where do you usually start from?
top left, top right, center, bottom left, etc??

[draygin]

Originally posted by SingleChance
i got a question for u all...just curious...no real reason why i'm asking lol
but when you guys make a level where do you usually start from?
top left, top right, center, bottom left, etc??

It depends on what I'm making. Inside level I usually start with a top wall. Outside level usually an object such as a cliff or a building. I normally sketch out the whole level before I make it so I know how everything is going to look before I do it.

[Spark910]

I dont have a set place. I usually put the big part sin first such as trees, houses, cliffs, water. Then see whats left and do it in any random way.