Rotating gani possible?

Kinatt · #1 01-24-2003, 09:20 PM

Why not implement a feature so that img's in ganis can be rotated, flipped, and scaled . I don't know if that's possible.. lol I just thought it would be hot. cuz then you could have things spinning fluently and things growing or shrinking like players .. that would be cool.. again I don't know if it's even possible. it's just a thought.

Goboom · #2 01-24-2003, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by Kinatt
Why not implement a feature so that img's in ganis can be rotated, flipped, and scaled . I don't know if that's possible.. lol I just thought it would be hot. cuz then you could have things spinning fluently and things growing or shrinking like players .. that would be cool.. again I don't know if it's even possible. it's just a thought.

Checking logs...the first time I requested this was 03-01-2002 12:57 AM....

Jasen · #3 01-24-2003, 11:50 PM

lol one time my graal messed up and everyone and everything was upside down

Too bad I couldn't move like that tho

CheeToS2 · #4 01-25-2003, 01:27 AM

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Originally posted by Jasen
lol one time my graal messed up and everyone and everything was upside down
Too bad I couldn't move like that tho

why don't I believe you? O_o.

tlf288 · #5 01-25-2003, 03:27 AM

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Originally posted by CheeToS2

why don't I believe you? O_o.

Becasue unless he totaly reconfigured his video card that wouldn't happen

zell12 · #6 01-25-2003, 04:39 AM

Stefan already went over this. He cannot make diagonal images etc because it is too much to require from the graphics card to support it. Or something, not sure. :O

Com013 · #7 01-25-2003, 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by Kinatt
Why not implement a feature so that img's in ganis can be rotated, flipped, and scaled

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newfeatures2001.txt
- ZOOMEFFECT 20 5
-> sprite_index zoom
sets the zoom factor for the sprite

Tyhm · #8 01-25-2003, 10:14 PM

*makes a gani that rotates #P1 or flips or mirrors based on #P2*

Tyhm · #9 01-25-2003, 11:46 PM

Today's lesson - 32 images can be drawn instantaneously, 1024 images take approximately 30 seconds to draw. As such, I would recommend you stick with the Flip and Mirror features unless you're wholly insane. Rotation doesn't work well anyway, it probably crops everything to a square...I could repair it if I cared, but I don't. If you know how to use a gani as a part of a gani, you're set in any case.

tlf288 · #10 01-26-2003, 12:30 AM

Not bad Tyhm, I like it very much. Takes alot of CPU usage though

Loriel · #11 01-26-2003, 01:04 AM

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Originally posted by tlf288
Becasue unless he totaly reconfigured his video card that wouldn't happen

It happened to me.

Tyhm · #12 01-26-2003, 03:21 AM

Which is why I recommend sticking to flip and mirror.

konidias · #13 01-27-2003, 02:34 AM

It would be neat to have that type of stuff... kind of like the FX chip for Yoshi's Island on SNES. Every enemy used the graphics chip in some way. (like stretching, shrinking, etc)

Kinatt · #14 01-27-2003, 06:58 AM

Yea that's what im talking about .. but if stefan says its too hard or too impossible I guess it is just that -_-

tlf288 · #15 01-27-2003, 07:05 AM

Since Stefan is porting Graal to c++ I am sure a whole new range of possiblities will open up. So this probally can be possible even though it didn't used to be

Kaimetsu · #16 01-27-2003, 07:33 AM

I think that implementing it would be easy. The reason Stefan chooses not to is that many players wouldn't be able to see the effects.

Falcor · #17 01-27-2003, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu
I think that implementing it would be easy. The reason Stefan chooses not to is that many players wouldn't be able to see the effects.

I guess you could argue that, he added light effects, and not everyone can see those, why not add rotation? But ultimatly it is up to him, and he doesnt plan on adding it. You can look forward to a lot more graphical mobility in Graal 3d though.

Warcaptain · #18 03-13-2003, 08:20 PM

24 bit, all i want is 24 bit gfx

G_yoshi · #19 03-13-2003, 11:25 PM

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Originally posted by Warcaptain
24 bit, all i want is 24 bit gfx

Why? Do I or anyone else want to spend time downloading large files? Absolutely not. I already showed you how to make a high color image look nearly identical in 8-bit mode. Not everyone here has DSL or other kind of hi-speed access. To me, you're just being lazy and not wanting to take the time to convert your images or to use a dithering effect.

Take a look at my example. Top image is the original 32bit color version. The one below is what it looks like after being put into 256 using the Floyd-Stienberg dithering method. There is very little difference that can be seen without magnifying it. If you don't have an application that can properly dither your images, send them my way or download something like Neopaint (shareware).

tlf288 · #20 03-14-2003, 02:07 AM

What is the size difference in those two variations?

Warcaptain · #21 03-14-2003, 04:46 AM

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Originally posted by G_yoshi

Why? Do I or anyone else want to spend time downloading large files? Absolutely not. I already showed you how to make a high color image look nearly identical in 8-bit mode. Not everyone here has DSL or other kind of hi-speed access. To me, you're just being lazy and not wanting to take the time to convert your images or to use a dithering effect.

Take a look at my example. Top image is the original 32bit color version. The one below is what it looks like after being put into 256 using the Floyd-Stienberg dithering method. There is very little difference that can be seen without magnifying it. If you don't have an application that can properly dither your images, send them my way or download something like Neopaint (shareware).

hey smart a, you cant use alpha channel on 8bit graphics

all my artists gfx were made in 24 bit and are AMAZINGLY beautyful, but when we make them 8 bit it removes at least 3-4
layers of shading, the gfx are still beautyful, but look crappy

im not looking to have 2k2 quality gfx, im looking more towards professional type gfx

G_yoshi · #22 03-15-2003, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by Warcaptain

hey smart a, you cant use alpha channel on 8bit graphics

all my artists gfx were made in 24 bit and are AMAZINGLY beautyful, but when we make them 8 bit it removes at least 3-4
layers of shading, the gfx are still beautyful, but look crappy

im not looking to have 2k2 quality gfx, im looking more towards professional type gfx

Whatever. You have be a little more clever then with how you do it

What? You have images that use a blending feature? Heh. You do know about being able to change the lighting effect feature on Graal, right? You can make an image appear to be see through without adding gamma adjustments to it.

I'm not trying to be a smartass. My contention is that I don't want to spend a long time downloading a bunch of images. I want to get into the game as quickly as possible.

Check the attached image. Is this what you are trying to do?