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[emortylone]

I was talking with Stefan the other day, and he is allowing my server, Anarchy to share a ******* with Renegade. So now we can get some GFX people, which we need badly, and get this thing finished! I've done most of the NPC"s and Myth has a lot of the levels. If someone thinks they can make a decent tileset, we are in DESPERATE need, and I'm willing to show our progress too if you must see it
---Shifter

[Kronan]

Originally posted by emortylone
I was talking with Stefan the other day, and he is allowing my server, Anarchy to share a ******* with Renegade. So now we can get some GFX people, which we need badly, and get this thing finished! I've done most of the NPC"s and Myth has a lot of the levels. If someone thinks they can make a decent tileset, we are in DESPERATE need, and I'm willing to show our progress too if you must see it
---Shifter

I dont think sharing servers is very good..

[Timpan3]

Originally posted by Kronan

I dont think sharing servers is very good..

Why not? If one of the server's has the ability to cover up the flaws of the other server, and vice versa, wouldn't that be good? I'm not saying that it is functioning like that right now , but just maybe. The only problem I would see as serious is the power issue.

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

I don't like the idea of having servers share their space, almost making two seperate playterworlds, but there is not much I can do about that. If Stefan wants it, fine by me. Also there is the issue of who's private server it is. Is Renegade staff now obliged to give you full server rights? Who will run the server? What happens to Shifter's server when Renegade goes public? (which may happen in about a week).

Make sure you back up your server files every other day, I'm not saying that anyone will go deleting things, but it does happen. This applies to all private playerworlds planning to share.

[Spark910]

Well no offense. But in the Past, PS kept asking for more rights etc... and gets angry and looses it far too quick. So you know. I wouldnt like to be sharing PWs! And what about corruption of one team? One may steal, delete others scripts or edit them. And when they do open.... They have to pick out all of the levels and gfx and scripts etc from the long list.... ''Chaso''

[RTelvecho]

If your going to use the same nc its going to be an ass on the level list and npcs

[emortylone]

LOL, you underestimate my intelligence. The thing Stefan said was make sure that we can trust eachother equally. He is a friend of mine I've long since lost touch with. But it's coolies, and I've set things up. All of our NPC's have //Anarchy at the top, probably they will all start with an A, but I will have only 3 or 4 weapons in NC, he he, my secret pplz, new NPC Menu system that doesn't use the same things, so that was it. And I will have some classes as the thing, and a single DB NPC for strings is about it!
The levels, we only have access to our own, and theirs to theirs. It's in seperate folders levels/renegade and levels/anarchy and it's already setup (via me) into Folder Config. We've got it, so no one can be deleting =p Plus we know a lot of the staff so no worries. And when Renegade goes public, that's a bridge I'm willing to cross when the time comes. We will of course remove ourself at that point, but before it happens I expect to be up enough to "knock your socks off" aftershock, then I will get my own G-S-e-r-v-er (it bleeps it =/)
---Shifter

[Legondary_MyTH]

Yes i am trying to get the overworld completed as fast as possible.But we want to save a portion for the tileset so We will have a different continent and stuff.
Like how much different Asia looks than USA well thats what we want so players will enjoy the experiance and Me and PS are looking for good GFX people!!!!

[AlexH]

Why would you go up on another server.
Surely if you were good enough Stefan would just give you your own hidden player world.

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

Originally posted by AlexH
Why would you go up on another server.
Surely if you were good enough Stefan would just give you your own hidden player world.

That's the problem.

I don't think it has enough content in terms of levels, things to do etc. to pass the PWA test, so technically it cannot have it's own private server.

[Legondary_MyTH]

we have more levels name a few servers out now.we are working on stuff now it takes PS foreverto get sumtin done =D

[SingleChance]

wow, another pw doesn't go through the proper pw testing. That's a surprise.

[Legondary_MyTH]

we are ganna go through Stefan just said we could use it cause PS scripts Hardcore NPC-server and we need 1 cause he willl have some complex crap made lol.

[Torankusu]

Originally posted by Legondary_MyTH
we are ganna go through Stefan just said we could use it cause PS scripts Hardcore NPC-server and we need 1 cause he willl have some complex crap made lol.

That's tough ****. Why do you think you get to go private for a week or so to convert?

Why don't we just kill the tests and let anyone who has any simple idea of starting a playerworld have a private server.

[Legondary_MyTH]

fine with me.

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

Originally posted by SingleChance
wow, another pw doesn't go through the proper pw testing. That's a surprise.

I am not here to slander anyone like PS or the entire server team, but about 2 weeks ago PS asked me if I could give him permission to put his server online so he can do the scripts and other NPC server related things. He said he needed my permission so Stefan could put it up. I said "Do you have the required things?" He said "No", so naturally, my answer was no, he could not have a private server with my permission, he had to follow the rules like everyone else.

Now I don't know if this is due to the fact that he works on graal 2002 debug (it probably is, actually), but a few days ago he told me that Stefan said he was allowed to share space with another private or hidden server, and he asked me what I felt about it. I said "I don't like the idea because you're going to run into some problems", but of course, it was not my decision to make. Stefan let him already, so what can I do? Scold him? It's Stefan's choice, not mine, not the PWA's choice either. I can just shake and nod and hope for the best, that he will let me on the server to at least test it before it goes public (luckily, I have access to renegade and I can go on and check progress out).

But you've got another problem. Rob said he wants to release Renegade public within a week or so, so what's going to happen then? No, obviously he doesn't want to have his server public, so he'll probably go ask Stefan for a private on his own, and he'll skirt the PWA like other servers have. It's unfortunate, but that's how it goes, and it really dissapoints me. Just because you have connections or work directly below the game owners does not mean you should be entitled to special incentives.

Like I said, no offense to PS or his server, but that's the unfortunate way business is conducted here.

[Legondary_MyTH]

If you read the Last Post i said We are going to go through the PWA.
This is just temp.

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by Torankusu
That's tough ****. Why do you think you get to go private for a week or so to convert?

I agree that the current system is pretty bad, what with people going directly through Stefan instead of the PWA, but you seem to underestimate the frustration involved in scripting clientside only to have to convert to serverside later. It's a very poor way to write code that just leads to wasted time and overlooked bugs.

As a possible solution, perhaps the PWA could look over the team itself and decide how likely they are to create a good playerworld, then grant them a regularly-inspected private server to work with until either they finish the server or show themselves to be making slow enough progress for the thing to be aborted.

[Legondary_MyTH]

Kai for president

[SSRobgeta]

Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_
But you've got another problem. Rob said he wants to release Renegade public within a week or so, so what's going to happen then?

Yep, I just hope I get done what I need done :O

[_0AfTeRsHoCk0_]

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


I agree that the current system is pretty bad, what with people going directly through Stefan instead of the PWA, but you seem to underestimate the frustration involved in scripting clientside only to have to convert to serverside later. It's a very poor way to write code that just leads to wasted time and overlooked bugs.

As a possible solution, perhaps the PWA could look over the team itself and decide how likely they are to create a good playerworld, then grant them a regularly-inspected private server to work with until either they finish the server or show themselves to be making slow enough progress for the thing to be aborted.

I don't have a problem with servers going private for scripting purposes, but here are the problems:

1) Once a server goes private, the staff seem to think they can have all the time in the world and take twice as long as they would when they are under the gun. They also think that being a private server, they can do whatever they want, such as re-do the overworld or revamp this and that.

2) If Stefan actually let us do inspections on private servers (that means, giving us access to them) then that means we'd need some sort of autonomy, like laying down the law when necessary. It's no use for us to go on, say.. every 2 weeks and go "please hurry up and finish your server mister manager guy because we want you to even though we can't do anything about it"

3) There would have to be a limit of how many servers can be private and scripting at one time. Either you have x amount of private slots open and it works on a first come, first serve basis, or you STILL need some sort of minimum requirement so peolpe don't start sending in sloppy 5 level servers saying "oh, we're just going to do the stuff online"

[Python523]

PWA would opperate A LOT better if they could actually vote on shutting servers down, right now they have no real power and no real guarrentee that stefan will listen to their reviews

[Kaimetsu]

Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_

1) Once a server goes private, the staff seem to think they can have all the time in the world and take twice as long as they would when they are under the gun. They also think that being a private server, they can do whatever they want, such as re-do the overworld or revamp this and that.

In my scenario, there wouldn't be an overworld to revamp; they'd start from scratch. And if they delay or whatever then you can intervene.

2) If Stefan actually let us do inspections on private servers (that means, giving us access to them) then that means we'd need some sort of autonomy, like laying down the law when necessary. It's no use for us to go on, say.. every 2 weeks and go "please hurry up and finish your server mister manager guy because we want you to even though we can't do anything about it"

Agreed, this was an assumed factor in my suggestion. You'd obviously need the power to inspect and close playerworlds if things weren't going well.

3) There would have to be a limit of how many servers can be private and scripting at one time. Either you have x amount of private slots open and it works on a first come, first serve basis, or you STILL need some sort of minimum requirement so peolpe don't start sending in sloppy 5 level servers saying "oh, we're just going to do the stuff online"

I already said that there should be a minimum requirement: Demonstrably competent staff. And why have a limit? The more promising projects under development, the better.

[SSRobgeta]

OMG, Myth quit Renegade because I decided not to host Anarchy!

[Legondary_MyTH]

no i quit cause MysticalDragon is a power hungry creep and was pissing me off.and you agree to something and wont do it Dustey quit for the same reasons we are tired of you and your corrupt server.
So stop lieing and get your **** together.

[SSRobgeta]

Originally posted by Legondary_MyTH
no i quit cause MysticalDragon is a power hungry creep and was pissing me off.and you agree to something and wont do it Dustey quit for the same reasons we are tired of you and your corrupt server.
So stop lieing and get your **** together.

MD has been fired. And your calling ME Corrupt? Dustey thought I quit Renegade cause I couldn't get on while he was on

[Legondary_MyTH]

yea and since our talk on aim im sure of it.you think your so great and i say is good luck then you comeback with a smart ass comment.You have a problem,go get the bug taken out of your ass.lol
See he got mad at me and said ill put anarchy back up but only PS can get to it ,your not allowed LOL for 1 PS wont come if im not with him for for 2 who do you think you are?God?lol not even close bud,go play your fav game WC3 and leave me alone.
Good luck

[SSRobgeta]

Originally posted by Legondary_MyTH
Good luck

The nerve