lack of it

haunter · #1 10-28-2002, 08:08 AM

Level building talent... We need more of it... We are running dry around here, there aren't enough good level people to go around... Any suggestions?

Waltz5 · #2 10-28-2002, 08:47 AM

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Originally posted by haunter
Level building talent... We need more of it... We are running dry around here, there aren't enough good level people to go around... Any suggestions?

More tutorials maybe?? I don't know, or how about taking some apprentices and really working with them??

iroc_2001 · #3 10-28-2002, 09:30 AM

how about the good level makers make a level and post it in a thread so new level makers can look at the levels and see how to make good levels

Torankusu · #4 10-28-2002, 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by iroc_2001
how about the good level makers make a level and post it in a thread so new level makers can look at the levels and see how to make good levels

because.

most have gotten lazy.

Cid_Night · #5 10-28-2002, 02:15 PM

lol, who puts up every level they make? I mean really, holding control AND pushing 2...thats just ridiculous, I've got much more important stuff to do like eat or watch tv.

haunter · #6 10-29-2002, 03:25 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
because.

most have gotten lazy.

Exactly.

So we need a quick fix that requires no work what-so-ever on my behalf...

Cid_Night · #7 10-29-2002, 04:50 AM

wow, sarcasm=fun...wooooooh

Graal2001_LAT · #8 10-29-2002, 08:49 AM

Techinically I could post a whole whack of levels I've done, that is, if you guys think they're good enough. ;P

iroc_2001 · #9 10-29-2002, 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by Graal2001_LAT
Techinically I could post a whole whack of levels I've done, that is, if you guys think they're good enough. ;P

or just make a thread where every one can post their levels they want too.

Torankusu · #10 10-29-2002, 09:44 AM

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Originally posted by iroc_2001

or just make a thread where every one can post their levels they want too.

Welcome to the "Levels Forum."

Graal2001_LAT · #11 10-29-2002, 09:46 AM

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Originally posted by iroc_2001

or just make a thread where every one can post their levels they want too.

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Originally posted by iroc_2001
how about the good level makers make a level and post it in a thread so new level makers can look at the levels and see how to make good levels

The point is having good ones posted.

thomasward · #12 10-29-2002, 09:54 AM

The only way to learn anything, is with help, or a lot of hard work.

The blame my friends is yours as much as theirs. I suggest some sort of bizarre levels academy. That you as 'Leet' level makers can teach other players that you wish to incorporate in various playerworld developments or things of the like.

With a little effort on your behalf, there can be more good level makers. Maybe even enough to go around.Although there is another probable contributing factor. Why be a LAT when you can be a GP?.

You get more respect from the players, you don't really have to do anything.. and conversely you could do a lot of work, get no respect.. And be constantly evaluated on a performance basis. For those outside the know, it's really an easy choice.

iroc_2001 · #13 10-29-2002, 10:03 AM

yea i have to agree... on MOST servers, not all but most, normal LAT's don't get that much respect, and they are worked harder than a lot of other staff....
that could be one of the reasons lat's are getting harder to find.

Dude6252000 · #14 10-29-2002, 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by iroc_2001
yea i have to agree... on MOST servers, not all but most, normal LAT's don't get that much respect, and they are worked harder than a lot of other staff....
that could be one of the reasons lat's are getting harder to find.

Well, you mean a GOOD lat is hard to find. Any new person would assist to make levels, even if they suck at it or not. All the good ones either quit, or don't make levels much any more, or are already hired.

Acererak · #15 10-29-2002, 10:33 AM

I'd much rather be a LAT than a GP, GPs don't do anything, I want to do something for graal.

Dude6252000 · #16 10-29-2002, 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by Acererak
I'd much rather be a LAT than a GP, GPs don't do anything, I want to do something for graal.

Hey, GPs do plenty of work. THey watch over things, take care of cheaters/hackers, etc.

Acererak · #17 10-29-2002, 10:50 AM

Eh, i'm more of an artist than an officer.

thomasward · #18 10-29-2002, 01:47 PM

It's not so much that I didn't want to do something for graal.

Maybe it was because I was working for Brandon, I quickly lost enthusiasm, building levels for people that generally piss me off, and disrespect me.

That was actually the reason that I quit close on a year ago.. Why should I go out of my way, to provide an environment for people to play on, that just ***** and piss me off. Making a house for yourself or some friends. That is fun, that is the only form of fun I derive from making levels now.

Whilst it is very cliche, youd on't know what you're missing until it's gone. Applies in this case better than anything else I can think of at this time, while this could easily be a ranting on from some disgruntled crap level maker, I do believe it is very relevant, and very very important.

Cid_Night · #19 10-30-2002, 03:58 AM

We already have this "graal academy" someone mentioned earlier...its called, a playerworld! You get hired as a LAT with limited skills (you need to have talent before you can even start to learn how to do it) Then you have your Levels Admin, you asst Levels Admin, you Levels Captain, and whoever else in your staff who are good at levels teaching this person how to better themself. Making a level is very similar to making a piece of art, it is art technically....you need to have some sort of an art sense before you can do it...you should be able to draw somewhat, and you should be able to recognize whats pleasing to the eye and whats not. If you don't have this, or what should be called "talent" then you have no chance of self betterment. Once you realize you have this, you can learn from those with more experience and become experienced yourself.

So as you can see, that's alot of work, and it takes a long time...and you have to have talent...this is why every graal player who happens to accidentally hit F4 in the tutorial can't throw together a masterpiece 2k1 level.

thomasward · #20 10-30-2002, 04:29 AM

I don't actually understand what you mean by a 2K1 masterpiece.

Are you trying to say 2K1 is a masterpiece, or just gerneally referring to the Graal version.

And, I have almost no artistic talent to speak of, but I was considered above average. Whether that is totally undue praise or not is irrelevant. It takes persistence. Also upon my travels over the servers I have noticed a serious lack in interior design skills. People nowaday believe that the exterior makes a good server.

I am thoroughly dissapointed with the pathetic level of workmanship displayed in most interior levels.. I believe they are just as important as the exterior levels. To put this into a confectionary context, it's comparable with someone giving you a mint chocolate, and you eat it. Only to find that some smartass has siphoned out the mint, and replaced it with excrements.

haunter · #21 10-30-2002, 04:36 AM

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Originally posted by thomasward

With a little effort on your behalf

... There's that word again...

Cid_Night · #22 10-30-2002, 06:52 AM

i dont mean 2k1 is a masterpiece, but compared to the average PW the levels are of a higher quality and have the best people working on them. But i do believe you need some artistic ability...because even if you know all the tiles and know how they connect, you cant make the level look good unless you are creative and artistic.

Graal2001_LAT · #23 10-30-2002, 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by thomasward
I don't actually understand what you mean by a 2K1 masterpiece.

Are you trying to say 2K1 is a masterpiece, or just gerneally referring to the Graal version.

And, I have almost no artistic talent to speak of, but I was considered above average. Whether that is totally undue praise or not is irrelevant. It takes persistence. Also upon my travels over the servers I have noticed a serious lack in interior design skills. People nowaday believe that the exterior makes a good server.

I am thoroughly dissapointed with the pathetic level of workmanship displayed in most interior levels.. I believe they are just as important as the exterior levels. To put this into a confectionary context, it's comparable with someone giving you a mint chocolate, and you eat it. Only to find that some smartass has siphoned out the mint, and replaced it with excrements.

Show me a nice interior of yours, you seem to speak as if you are an expert on them yourself.

thomasward · #24 10-30-2002, 09:57 AM

I make no claim to being an expert.. I am not, one does not have to be an expert to comment on something, you just have to know. If I read a book on the total deaths of cancer patients put on radiation treatment.. These being too high, I could comment on this. But not actually being an expert myself.

I can look and see, what else do I need. I can tell when something does not fit, and it suits my purposes if you don't know who I am. Makes it all the more fun, and infinitely more irritating. Both of which are reasons for posting on this topic. Is it so hard to look and see for yourself?, I'm sure you'd share my opinion.

I'd rather just have you think I couldn't make a level if my life depended on it.

:P

aliceinwonderland · #25 10-31-2002, 05:30 AM

thomasward your english is very nice =)

but anyway, yes i agree that there are a lack of GOOD level builders....all the good level builders ether quit, are too lazy to make anything, or have been building levels for such a long time, it doesnt appeal to them anymore (MOre or less like me)

syltburk · #26 10-31-2002, 08:53 PM

ive seen alot of Talented LATs.

You just need to search after them on graal. ok?

haunter · #27 11-01-2002, 04:55 AM

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Originally posted by syltburk
ive seen alot of Talented LATs.

You just need to search after them on graal. ok?

Your discription of "talent" must be much different than that of mine...

syltburk · #28 11-01-2002, 02:47 PM

no

besides new talented LATs wont just come. We are the one who is lazy that cant train even 1 LAT ..

Graal2001_LAT · #29 11-01-2002, 09:48 PM

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Originally posted by syltburk
no

besides new talented LATs wont just come. We are the one who is lazy that cant train even 1 LAT ..

I've trained a few good ones, in a way.

And I've helped so many LATs on AIM, at least those people are improving.

haunter · #30 11-02-2002, 05:39 AM

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Originally posted by Graal2001_LAT

I've trained a few good ones, in a way.
And I've helped so many LATs on AIM, at least those people are improving.

I've tried that, I just don't have the patients

Spark910 · #31 11-02-2002, 09:49 PM

Well we are running out of level talent.
Also scripting Talent.
And we have ran out of PW Talent.

Shame everyone had to leave when paying was introduced. If they all payed it would be so cool right now

Cid_Night · #32 11-03-2002, 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by Spark910
Well we are running out of level talent.
Also scripting Talent.
And we have ran out of PW Talent.

Shame everyone had to leave when paying was introduced. If they all payed it would be so cool right now

ya but thats what happens...but with ever new generation of players comes new talent, so we just hafta watch and wait until a good editor or scripter happens to stumble onto one of our servers begging for a job. yayyy.

syltburk · #33 11-04-2002, 05:16 PM

fact is

its bad in GAT NAT and LAT

we are running out

myself im to lazy to help level makers that dont have the talent

besides i have still have things to learn.

Era_Admin1 · #34 11-04-2002, 05:41 PM

I haven't paid a cent for graal and yet I've managed to get Era up, continue scripting, and continue with graphics...but the difference is...I never really have "played" graal. I just love the developing side of it all.

SupermanJR · #35 11-06-2002, 07:39 AM

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Originally posted by syltburk
fact is

its bad in GAT NAT and LAT

we are running out

myself im to lazy to help level makers that dont have the talent

besides i have still have things to learn.

Umm.. Maybe you should show us some of your levels. Lets decide who needs the helpin, bud.

haunter · #36 11-06-2002, 08:13 AM

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Originally posted by SupermanJR

Umm.. Maybe you should show us some of your levels. Lets decide who needs the helpin, bud.

Hahaha...

So true.

syltburk · #37 11-06-2002, 05:08 PM

okay
check Doragon Koden Forum
i posted some levels i maded

i would be glad if u guys could help me

Thanks

//Jaffer

CheeToS2 · #38 11-06-2002, 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by Era_Admin1
I haven't paid a cent for graal and yet I've managed to get Era up, continue scripting, and continue with graphics...but the difference is...I never really have "played" graal. I just love the developing side of it all.

are sk's forums still up somewhere, somehow?

Birdbird_0 · #39 11-07-2002, 12:14 AM

I used to love working on 2k1, I never played graal that much ither, spent more hours in the editor then anything.

But then making things for 2k1 became a burden rather then somthing enjoyable, so I simply stoped.

zell12 · #40 11-07-2002, 01:10 AM

I'm to lazy to make any levels right now, except forest houses and such

Anyway, I think we should make a level making tutorial or a FAQ page.