Concerning the current state of Graal2001, and the most likely future state. - Page 2

VyralP2P · #41 01-07-2002, 04:54 AM

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Originally posted by konidias

Maybe because I know more about 2k2? I know Stefan a little better then you? I know what goes on behind the scenes?

In no way am I trying to insult Graal, and I'm not anti-Graal.. I'm just trying to point out the major flaws that are sprouting up everywhere and trying to make Graal better.. Judging by the fact that most people agreed with me, I don't feel my opinion is far off from everyone elses in this matter. =/

Notice most people on the forums yes , but many people who have upgarded acounts that don't post here and they were playing graal2002 and they LIKED it more then 2001.
The people on the forums that agree with your are just a loud minorety that no one dares to oppose.

Vincent_TK · #42 01-07-2002, 04:54 AM

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Originally posted by VyralP2P

Turning graal2001 into what graal2002 would be VERY hard and it would look ugly on the map that graal2001 has now .

I never said turn Graal 2001 into Graal 2002, that would be stupid. But look at how many problems 2001 has, Stefan needs to fix those first and let the server develope before he starts making another server. Hes going to have a bunch of lame servers in a couple years(no, im not saying Graal 2002 is a POS).

VyralP2P · #43 01-07-2002, 04:56 AM

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Originally posted by Vincent_TK

I never said turn Graal 2001 into Graal 2002, that would be stupid. But look at how many problems 2001 has, Stefan needs to fix those first and let the server develope before he starts making another server. Hes going to have a bunch of lame servers in a couple years(no, im not saying Graal 2002 is a POS).

Hmm well what are those problems then?
The only problem I know is evil gredy people , and 2quests that aren't complete yet.

[edit]And who said he won't fix them he might fix they just before he releases graal2002

psihunter · #44 01-07-2002, 04:59 AM

Graal2002 is sort of like Graal2001 (look at the main island on 2k2 and look at map on 2k1)

Anyways, mmmm......2230

psichill · #45 01-07-2002, 05:01 AM

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Originally posted by psihunter
Graal2002 is sort of like Graal2001 (look at the main island on 2k2 and look at map on 2k1)

Anyways, mmmm......2230

make a beta version of it so we can all play!!!

VyralP2P · #46 01-07-2002, 05:02 AM

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Originally posted by psihunter
Graal2002 is sort of like Graal2001 (look at the main island on 2k2 and look at map on 2k1)

Anyways, mmmm......2230

Can't wait for 2230 cause it will probably the first good futuristic graal server :-)

Vincent_TK · #47 01-07-2002, 05:04 AM

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Originally posted by psihunter
Graal2002 is sort of like Graal2001 (look at the main island on 2k2 and look at map on 2k1)

Anyways, mmmm......2230

Graal 2001s main problem, in my opinion is that its boring. How many quest are there? Theres curupt staff, and money is everything on that server(BAD!).

Even if he does fix a couple of things with 2001 before 2002 is released, the server still wont be as good as it could be.

Tyhm · #48 01-07-2002, 05:10 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
Nations?

Something I'd been on about since G2K1 was in the planning stages. Problem: We have too many small guilds to get a decent war anymore. Solution: Sort them into fewer, larger nations of many allied guilds.
Current primary nation projects are the Vampires and Knights, which sucks for the Vigilant Knights who are allied to both.Idea is it's gonna be a Graal-wide Capture the Flag, capture the forts for points, capture the opponent's artifacts for more points, assassinate the opponent's elder to cost them points, etc.

Brad0629 · #49 01-07-2002, 05:11 AM

I feel corruption is the worst part about 2k1. The way people get treated differently and how they are felt upon by others is sickening. When you have the slightest amount of power you get listened to by ANY admin yet if your one of the nicest people in the world and just a normal player, you get ****. You also have to be "liked" to get anywhere. Heres an example, I was the Bugs Admin for g2k1. I found tons of bugs and I did my job good. I took pms from people and answered etc. etc. Yet, one day I warp to my playerhouse to put money away and I am fired. Now, I know warping for personal use is not right, but I mean look at people like Birdbird. Can you tell me the last time Birdbird WALKED somewhere? I dont think so. Also, they try to lie to cover ANYTHING. They told me I used warp to get into Dustari when we had proof I didnt. Loriel tells me in a pm that he doesnt particullary like me. I mean what the hell. I know bashing the staff makes you sound like a fool, but the admins on g2k1 disgust me. Koni was one that was different though. He did his job and did it GOOD. I dont think I ever saw a time where he warped to someone and pk'd them. Or killed someone he doesnt like with a zal rifle. But no, that doesnt matter. Asskissers will always get what they want, when they want. And the corruption will always live on..

konidias · #50 01-07-2002, 05:14 AM

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Originally posted by Brad0629
I feel corruption is the worst part about 2k1. The way people get treated differently and how they are felt upon by others is sickening. When you have the slightest amount of power you get listened to by ANY admin yet if your one of the nicest people in the world and just a normal player, you get ****. You also have to be "liked" to get anywhere. Heres an example, I was the Bugs Admin for g2k1. I found tons of bugs and I did my job good. I took pms from people and answered etc. etc. Yet, one day I warp to my playerhouse to put money away and I am fired. Now, I know warping for personal use is not right, but I mean look at people like Birdbird. Can you tell me the last time Birdbird WALKED somewhere? I dont think so. Also, they try to lie to cover ANYTHING. They told me I used warp to get into Dustari when we had proof I didnt. Loriel tells me in a pm that he doesnt particullary like me. I mean what the hell. I know bashing the staff makes you sound like a fool, but the admins on g2k1 disgust me. Koni was one that was different though. He did his job and did it GOOD. I dont think I ever saw a time where he warped to someone and pk'd them. Or killed someone he doesnt like with a zal rifle. But no, that doesnt matter. Asskissers will always get what they want, when they want. And the corruption will always live on..

*applauds* Wonderful speech.

VyralP2P · #51 01-07-2002, 05:15 AM

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Originally posted by Brad0629
I feel corruption is the worst part about 2k1. The way people get treated differently and how they are felt upon by others is sickening. When you have the slightest amount of power you get listened to by ANY admin yet if your one of the nicest people in the world and just a normal player, you get ****. You also have to be "liked" to get anywhere. Heres an example, I was the Bugs Admin for g2k1. I found tons of bugs and I did my job good. I took pms from people and answered etc. etc. Yet, one day I warp to my playerhouse to put money away and I am fired. Now, I know warping for personal use is not right, but I mean look at people like Birdbird. Can you tell me the last time Birdbird WALKED somewhere? I dont think so. Also, they try to lie to cover ANYTHING. They told me I used warp to get into Dustari when we had proof I didnt. Loriel tells me in a pm that he doesnt particullary like me. I mean what the hell. I know bashing the staff makes you sound like a fool, but the admins on g2k1 disgust me. Koni was one that was different though. He did his job and did it GOOD. I dont think I ever saw a time where he warped to someone and pk'd them. Or killed someone he doesnt like with a zal rifle. But no, that doesnt matter. Asskissers will always get what they want, when they want. And the corruption will always live on..

You can never get rid off corruption it will allways exist.

Brad0629 · #52 01-07-2002, 05:16 AM

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Originally posted by konidias

*applauds* Wonderful speech.

Needed to get that out of my system..

Vincent_TK · #53 01-07-2002, 05:17 AM

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Originally posted by Tyhm

Something I'd been on about since G2K1 was in the planning stages. Problem: We have too many small guilds to get a decent war anymore. Solution: Sort them into fewer, larger nations of many allied guilds.
Current primary nation projects are the Vampires and Knights, which sucks for the Vigilant Knights who are allied to both.Idea is it's gonna be a Graal-wide Capture the Flag, capture the forts for points, capture the opponent's artifacts for more points, assassinate the opponent's elder to cost them points, etc.

What i think Classic can use:
I say take off the PK tags(it just makes PK'ing on classic easy) and bring back healing swords for the people who dont want to PK. Also, if you took off the PK tags, PK'ing would be much harder and you would need more skill to do it, like how it used to be =x

Tyhm · #54 01-07-2002, 05:23 AM

Yeah, G2K1's in bad shape, but it's young. Think about it. Compare its timeline to Classic's. It's in the Pachuka years. In a little while, the new Pachukites will quit or cross the line and get fired, then a new Olorin will take charge of the LAT, then a new Ragnarok will come along, kick the LAT's butt, come up with a plan, and quit leaving a new Tyhm to bring it all together. It's just one of those circle of life things, the environment shapes the admins. If I came in during the Pachuka years I wouldn't be here, I woulda given up on making a difference. The environment you need to get good admins has two things:
Wasted potential (I knew I had to fix this game when I went out of the OSL cave and into the wall in level13!)
Opportunity to make it better (a level submitter, like the one Classic has when it's working)
G2K1's got the wasted potential, it just needs the opportunity. Whoever the LAT Admin is now on G2K1...Kyle_GP?...needs to start taking levels. Whoever the GM is, think Staffwide Charter...I wish I coulda made one for Classic, but I can't get that sort of power without giving up levelmaking.

Taking off PK Tags: maybe. Now that nebies have conditonal protection, it doesn't seem that urgent. The chief reason they were brought back was so newbie PKers couldn't kill, heal, kill, heal, kill, heal all day and so clog up the good healing places.

Torankusu · #55 01-07-2002, 05:24 AM

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Originally posted by VyralP2P

You can never get rid off corruption it will allways exist.

But you can be shot, which I will later on highly recommend to your mother.

Stop arguing.

Brad0629 · #56 01-07-2002, 05:27 AM

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Originally posted by Tyhm
Yeah, G2K1's in bad shape, but it's young. Think about it. Compare its timeline to Classic's. It's in the Pachuka years. In a little while, the new Pachukites will quit or cross the line and get fired, then a new Olorin will take charge of the LAT, then a new Ragnarok will come along, kick the LAT's butt, come up with a plan, and quit leaving a new Tyhm to bring it all together. It's just one of those circle of life things, the environment shapes the admins. If I came in during the Pachuka years I wouldn't be here, I woulda given up on making a difference. The environment you need to get good admins has two things:
Wasted potential (I knew I had to fix this game when I went out of the OSL cave and into the wall in level13!)
Opportunity to make it better (a level submitter, like the one Classic has when it's working)
G2K1's got the wasted potential, it just needs the opportunity. Whoever the LAT Admin is now on G2K1...Kyle_GP?...needs to start taking levels. Whoever the GM is, think Staffwide Charter...I wish I coulda made one for Classic, but I can't get that sort of power without giving up levelmaking.

So true, seriously...so damn true. We ar ein our Pachuka period...but I dont know if we can crawl out. Our staff isnt as good as classics was, and we dont have much potential around us considering everyone has thirty thousand jobs...:-/

HoudiniMan · #57 01-07-2002, 05:51 AM

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Originally posted by Brad0629

So true, seriously...so damn true. We ar ein our Pachuka period...but I dont know if we can crawl out. Our staff isnt as good as classics was, and we dont have much potential around us considering everyone has thirty thousand jobs...:-/

I was a GP on Doomsday and a FAQ before that. I was told that i could not be a GP/FAQ, which is what i wanted to do. Hmm...

I also remember when Skyknight was our admin on Doomsday and the N-Pulse GP Cheif... he couldn't do both because it was having two jobs and working for more than one server... Hmm...

I know most people are seeing a problem with the G2K1 staff working for 2K2 also...

Well we had the gun, i just gave you a whole sack of ammo...
Use it!

konidias · #58 01-07-2002, 05:59 AM

Stefan said long ago that 2k1 staff like level makers and such aren't supposed to work on other servers like when NewWorld came around, people weren't supposed to work on that and 2k1.. yet Birdbird worked on that, and 2k1, and 2k2, and his own playerworld.

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_ · #59 01-07-2002, 06:17 AM

I think another problem we have is the resistance to change. People post their levels up on the forums and automatically we say "OH MAN WHAT A SUCKY LEVEL, HORRIBLE" and those who made it will most likely stop making levels. How about instead of saying how bad it is say how we can improve things to make them better. This way more people will be encouraged to make levels, learn to script, make gani's ect and ths we have more qualified people who can do things for the server

psichill · #60 01-07-2002, 06:53 AM

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Originally posted by HoudiniMan

I was a GP on Doomsday and a FAQ before that. I was told that i could not be a GP/FAQ, which is what i wanted to do. Hmm...

I also remember when Skyknight was our admin on Doomsday and the N-Pulse GP Cheif... he couldn't do both because it was having two jobs and working for more than one server... Hmm...

I know most people are seeing a problem with the G2K1 staff working for 2K2 also...

Well we had the gun, i just gave you a whole sack of ammo...
Use it!

err... birdbird is cool and all but DAMNIT! MAKE A PROTEST FOR HIM TO ONLY HAVE 1 F*CKING JOB!!!

FatherDante · #61 01-07-2002, 06:59 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
Graal2002 seems to be a place for complete roleplaying. PKing seems to be eliminated by stats not going up (deaths, kills, etc) but will that stop the people from trying to PK? If you don't bother with a sytstem that will completely mess up and take alot of time away from you, then you're going to have to have alot of alert and active staff.

Anyways,
Birdbird said it took him like three hours to make that one level that looked a little messed up...
If it takes six hours to make one good looking level, how long will it take to finish the whole six or seven maps? This project is too time consuming, although nice and somewhat worthwhile. Graal2001 could die with Loriel and Birdbird working on 399,999 projects for Graal2002. We didn't see that many updates from them, anyway.

What a level headed post. Allow me to share my opinion.

Graal2002 is geared more towards roleplaying because a lot of people like it. However, it is not a pure roleplaying server. Every player is invited to pursue his or her own particular Graal idiom, in a way that is most fun to them. That is player freedom.

As for Birdbird, he was just blowing hard to make his work seem more difficult. Plenty of people can make levels faster than that, but Birdbird does put quite a bit of effort, I hope.

Don't be concerned about that.

Graal2002 has come together exceptionally fast so far, with a small staff. Do not doubt that with the added player contributions to come it will improve rapidly.

Torankusu · #62 01-07-2002, 07:09 AM

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Originally posted by FatherDante

What a level headed post. Allow me to share my opinion.

Graal2002 is geared more towards roleplaying because a lot of people like it. However, it is not a pure roleplaying server. Every player is invited to pursue his or her own particular Graal idiom, in a way that is most fun to them. That is player freedom.

As for Birdbird, he was just blowing hard to make his work seem more difficult. Plenty of people can make levels faster than that, but Birdbird does put quite a bit of effort, I hope. Don't be concerned about that.

Graal2002 has come together exceptionally fast so far, with a small staff. Do not doubt that with the added player contributions to come it will improve rapidly.

Did you not bother to read it, or not understand it?

With Birdbird and Loriel (and whoever works on Graal2001 and Graal2002) working mostly on graal2002 constantly, Graal2001 is likely to die off. We're already getting minimum updates. Not EVERYONE wants to roleplay, you know. The others can't deal with the lag classic and graal2002 have.

FatherDante · #63 01-07-2002, 07:15 AM

I understood you. I was trying to sell you on 2002; I think you've given up on it too fast.

Yeah, 2001 may get ignored after 2002 is released.
But, you know, classic got the most updates after it was made outdated by 2001. I don't expect that everyone will abandon the server. Besides, what's the point of speculation anyway? It won't change anything.

Torankusu · #64 01-07-2002, 07:22 AM

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Originally posted by FatherDante
Yeah, 2001 may get ignored after 2002 is released.
But, you know, classic got the most updates after it was made outdated by 2001. I don't expect that everyone will abandon the server. Besides, what's the point of speculation anyway? It won't change anything.

Because Tyhm and the ones making the updates did not move to 2001.

I think Graal2002 will be great, and that some of the staff are dedicated like Kyle, Er1c and a few owners.

Graal2002 is going to take alot of updates and time. Once you get all of the levels and kingdoms made, you'd still have to update it every so often. It will take time.

Graal2001 is falling apart because of 2002 and all of these 'projects' Loriel, Stefan, and Birdbird are doing. I don't care if they take maybe three hours a day. They aren't updating 2001 and making IT better.

They are focusing on one thing, and one thing only; by the looks of it.

BlKnight · #65 01-07-2002, 07:32 AM

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Originally posted by VyralP2P

Your starting to turn into a new soulblade :-/ but now newworld is graal2002.And stefan doesn't run graal alone you know cyberjoueur they own it to , not just stefan.

[edit]For me graal is a professionaly made game and I love it much more then games like Diablo , and saying that he will charge more , how do you know that?That is just a wild guess you have there.

Wow, it looks to me like people have seen the light about the current servers. But I disagree with everyone on one thing..graal has hope and thats because of NewWorld.

Kasuagi · #66 01-07-2002, 07:43 AM

just bring back the old admins, the ones that didn't care about power and popularity, just the benefit of helping Graal and having fun

Torankusu · #67 01-07-2002, 09:56 AM

keep this thread alive.

Reliko · #68 01-07-2002, 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
Stefan will get a new idea and call it Graal2003 and start working on that and neglecting Graal2002.

This is probably why Graal3d was never finished.

Stefan was never actually a part of the project

AlkarenHyralt · #69 01-07-2002, 01:18 PM

I'm not sure if I'll be around when 2002 is released; the future is always uncertain. But right now, I have a job on 2001 and it's the only one I care about. Hopefully, I'll stay police chief until 2002 is offically released, and everyone forgets about 2001. That way, if I choose to leave then, I'll know I tried very hard to do something I never expected to do; manage police, or be staff in general.

Jap · #70 01-07-2002, 02:33 PM

Righto! But, who to hire that Stefan trusts? Even if someone did some stuff, they wont have power to upload it, and Stefan won't have time to do it. If you ask Loriel, you will get "Ask Agelaos to do it. He needs to do work."

Slaktmaster · #71 01-07-2002, 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt
I'm not sure if I'll be around when 2002 is released; the future is always uncertain. But right now, I have a job on 2001 and it's the only one I care about. Hopefully, I'll stay police chief until 2002 is offically released, and everyone forgets about 2001. That way, if I choose to leave then, I'll know I tried very hard to do something I never expected to do; manage police, or be staff in general.

Don't soar away with your angelic wings.

James205 · #72 01-07-2002, 07:56 PM

2k1 and 2k2 and Classic are a big part of my job. I will probably be on all 3 of them when I am on usually.

AlkarenHyralt · #73 01-07-2002, 11:41 PM

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Originally posted by Slaktmaster

Don't soar away with your angelic wings.

Don't worry; I doubt I'll be leaving any time soon.

Torankusu · #74 01-08-2002, 04:39 AM

I still say they should call it Graal RPG.

'Graal2002' sounds dumb.

Er1c · #75 01-08-2002, 05:06 AM

New features came to graal that made the old tiled levels obsolete, so a new server had to be made using these new features... makes pleanty of sence to me.

If you want to keep playing on 2001, go right ahead, no one is stopping you. But please, stop complaining about it. If you don't like what you're doing then change what you are doing, don't wait for someone else to change things for you.

Er1c · #76 01-08-2002, 05:07 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
I still say they should call it Graal RPG.

'Graal2002' sounds dumb.

I think it should be called Graal: Conquest or Graal: Kingdoms, but I don't think Stefan wants to change the name

Josef Stalin · #77 01-09-2002, 04:09 AM

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Originally posted by Torankusu
keep this thread alive.

Okay!

James · #78 01-09-2002, 09:23 AM

Instead of telling Stefan what needs to be done, find a new and better game, I doubt he'll listen to you anyway. I find EverQuest 20x more addicting than Graal, people are great RPers there, and the players are very friendly. You hardly ever find a mean one. I'm going to stop playing Graal until Graal2002 comes out.

ragekhan · #79 01-23-2002, 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by HoudiniMan
)(1) I was a GP on Doomsday and a FAQ before that. I was told that i could not be a GP/FAQ, which is what i wanted to do. Hmm...

(2) I also remember when Skyknight was our admin on Doomsday and the N-Pulse GP Cheif... he couldn't do both because it was having two jobs and working for more than one server... Hmm...

(3) I know most people are seeing a problem with the G2K1 staff working for 2K2 also...

Well we had the gun, i just gave you a whole sack of ammo...
Use it!

1) You wanted to be GP and Guild Admin. We wouldn't make you Guild Admin, because we couldn't trust you with FTP.

2) Jubei and I approached Skyknight about this, and the problem was solved.

3) Staff shouldn't be working for two playerworlds. It's like having macaroni and cheese - you can put the macaroni in one bowl, and the cheese in the other, and they are edible, but for ultimate taste, you have to put the two in one bowl. (This is also the same for doing two jobs on the one playerworld.)

I'm going to keep playing Graal2001 once Graal2002 is up, simply because then there will not be as many people there, not as much lag, and a lot more fun

Of course, that's when I can find the time to play Graal2001

konidias · #80 01-23-2002, 06:45 PM

You know bringing back old threads is against forum rules?? I think this thread is rather old...