Economy crunching

[vergil]

There are currently 48300 gralats on the server (highest gralat count was 62000 two weeks ago). 73% of the money is owned by 5% of the players. 60% of the people have no gralat at all...

Okay, I think this has gone too far. As you can see, the economy is WAY out of balance. Newbies literally can't do anything until an event which doesn't cost money but does give money comes up which they must win. Very unlikely.

Even for the humans with money, fishing and mining practically give you arthritis.

How to stop this and balance out the cash flow?
- Graalian Bank, loans, deposits, interest
- Fishing and bird catching profits increased
- Less events, more quests for treasure and items
- Lower that selfishness rate Loan a newbie some money every once in a while. You don't need all that 1000 gralat.

I think we need to get a petition going or something...

[grim_squeaker_x]

I'd like to be able to loan my money to that nwbie (newbie to graal2001 I mean with that ) but I fear that I have only gotten 5 gralats myself, which is quite useless.
However I do have to agree on most of the points in this post

[fugitive316]

I totally agree, virgil. The economys current state is just sad...We need to be able to make money alot easier. Instead of only giving us a little money, give us more money and more options on how to spend it.

[Fai]

I bet not even half of the gralats on the server were actually earned.

[omni-m00gle]

Most of the gralat on the server were "earned" from the fishing glitch and mining glitch.

Ive already achieved what I wanted with my money (Buying a bomy..well my second. First one I sold for almost double for what I bought it for)

If anyone needs any money, Ill be happy to LOAN you some.

[Cloud_X]

im savving what few i have but when i get enough i will be loaning =]

[Spearman]

It takes a while to get alteast 1000 for me, I usually participate in races and ctf for quick boosts of money. Usually I just hunt birds, which is a long, long process

[Tyhm]

Sounds a lot like the american economy.

I say the amount of Gralat earned is proportional to the amount of gralat you own. If you have 5000 gralats, a diamond's worth a measly 1 gralat ("Well we already have a lot of those, don't hardly need any more. Not that you need the money, mr. fancy-trousers!"), and if you have no gralats it's worth a lot more ("Wow, a diamond eh? Bet it's your first one. Tell you what kid, I'll give you a special deal on this one....")

That way you can't get 10,000 gralats by getting 10 gralats * 1000 diamonds, or whatever the exchange rate is. It'd be 100 gralat for the first one, then since you have 100 gralats you can only get 50 gralats per diamond...

The thing to watch for is guilds that give all their money to one guy, mine as a peasant, and get their money back...so you'd need to make it track how much you've EARNED rather than how much you've got on hand....I mean, you could ditch it all in your house and get rich hoarding it.

Standard response to an economy of this size, you gotta keep the money circulating..."tax" the rich. ^_~

[Brady2]

Thym, I presume you are Democrat?

[vergil]

yeah, I bet they could secretly make mining and fishing give rich people less, poor people more, and everything that costs money 3 times as much to anyone with over 500 gralat.

After you get over 500 or so, it doesn't matter anymore.
You see since there are so few things to buy with your gralat who cares.. well everyone does because there isn't anything else to do but get them.

Think about it. Every activity you do is in some way related to winning or obtaining gralats. But what do you spend them on ? Equipment that is for activities to make more gralat.

Uhh... no.

[vergil]

yeah, and what else would you spend it on? a house? wow, so the point of the game is to get gralat for a house..

...?

[Brady2]

the point of the game is to have fun

[StoneColdRichie]

Originally posted by Brady2
the point of the game is to have fun

Shut up and die.

You are the one responsible for most of the money on Graal 2001.

[vergil]

Originally posted by TrueHeaT
...?

what are you confused about? almost every activity in the game involves getting gralat, which is only useful for doing mroe activities to get even more gralat.

brady i dont consider sitting next to a pond or mining bench pressing D D D D D D D D D D D D D D D DD D fun.

not every activity is about gralat
sparring isn't
roleplaying isn't
ctf isn't
crappy survivor isn't
I'd farm for fun not for the gralat if farming was actually decent

[vergil]

Originally posted by TrueHeaT
>>not every activity is about gralat
i said almost but okay

>>sparring isn't
one time I asked welly to spar and his response was "F@$& yOU!!"

>>roleplaying isn't
whenever I see some people roleplaying which is extremely rare, they always reject me.

>>ctf isn't
ill admit that

>>crappy survivor isn't
actually half the time it is. sometimes, but..
the crappy part, well, all i can say is when i pay for a game i usually am not attracted to it when they ripoff the name of a tv show for a bloody killfest to sometimes win a prize...

>>I'd farm for fun not for the gralat if farming was
>>actually decent
i would farm too but since no one will give me any money i cant isnt that just swell..

anyway all i was saying is that there should be more things to do that are fun and not for gralat because that would help circulate money.

[Tyhm]

Originally posted by Brady2
Thym, I presume you are Democrat?

Yup. Trickle up economics works a lot better than reaganomics, or trickle DOWN economics....
"Let's give more money to the rich, then the poor people won't be poor! Yeah!
Rich people are naturally charitable, they're sure to create more jobs for the poor rather than buy another luxury with these tax breaks!"

That aside, if the problem is that poor people are too poor and rich people are too rich, the simple solution is to make it easier for the poor people to get more money than it is for the rich people to get more money. Ja nee?

[Zulithe]

Originally posted by vergil
Originally posted by TrueHeaT
>>roleplaying isn't
whenever I see some people roleplaying which is extremely rare, they always reject me.

Hopefully this will change once Roleplayers INC is in full swing. Right now I believe we are awaiting the tags to be approved?

[vergil]

heheheeh george "www" bush. i do hope he was kidding about that internet "joke"...

[GraalWarrior2k1]

Vergil has a point, people with like 5,000 gralat should lend some to people without any, and they should also give you more gralat for evrything

[Spearman]

Originally posted by vergil
heheheeh george "www" bush. i do hope he was kidding about that internet "joke"...

www.gopfun.com<-hope that still works...

[FatherDante]

Tyhm's ideas about diminishing returns are right on the money, but it's not bad economics, it's cheaters and RCers. Plain and simple. Drakaden has thousands of gralat because of RC.

[Lycia]

Sorry, but, Graal isn't robin hood.

[FatherDante]

I promote a gralat wipe for the 2001 server. Anyone wanna back me up? While we're at it, why not an RC wipe?

[fugitive316]

Originally posted by FatherDante
I promote a gralat wipe for the 2001 server. Anyone wanna back me up? While we're at it, why not an RC wipe?

I fully support you.

[Lycia]

RC wipe?

what?

Originally posted by Lycia
Sorry, but, Graal isn't robin hood.

YES
thanks for the idea
*starts a band of merry men*
recruiting!

[Crono Illusion]

Originally posted by TrueHeaT

YES
thanks for the idea
*starts a band of merry men*
recruiting!

Graalian Hood and his Merry Men!

[vergil]

Originally posted by Lycia
Sorry, but, Graal isn't robin hood.

oh come on. there's something very wrong here with poor newbies having no way to earn money without loans. Besides banks and kinder players would better the game.

sheesh why dont you go chant "GREEZI SHOULD BE SHOT" or "DIE" some more

[FatherDante]

RC wipe- everyone who has RC loses it pending auditing of their RC use.

Hm.... YES.

I think Tybalt and his just gang of merry avengers has been born!

[Crono Illusion]

Originally posted by TrueHeaT
I think Tybalt and his just gang of merry avengers has been born!

Can my alter ego, Wonko the Sane, join?

Yes, we could always use some sane men.

[FatherDante]

Looks like some people aren't too keen on the gralat wipe. Especially considering most of the damage (houses and NPCs) has been done already. Oh well.

[Crono Illusion]

Perhaps we need a house ownership wipe as well. Bomy pets can stay.
Also, the RC wipe is a great idea.

I'm all for a Gralat Wipe.

[Crono Illusion]

Originally posted by Crono Illusion


Can my alter ego, Wonko the Sane, join?

Also, the first person to tell me what book Wonko the Sane comes from wins 5 gralat.