Business update proposals. - Page 2

xAndrewx · #41 12-19-2014, 09:43 PM

Why would I stock them when they're NPC owned? The server would stock it.

It sounds like you just want to lead a team. Get a gang, not a business. Further more- buy a server and hire staff. Try running a server with 50~ if you're in to that type of thing

Supaman771 · #42 12-19-2014, 10:01 PM

The only time I participated in businesses is either when I owned it, or a close friend owned it.

My first experience was long ago on Era, when Blops and Sales owned SP. Our whole BB gang would go and stock for them when there wasn't a raid and they would supply us with all the food we needed to dominate raiding rather than paying us wages. It was truly a symbiotic relationship and probably the most fun I've gotten from working at a business.

Awhile later I worked for Ammo Mart when Danny owned it; and I was Co... I never did much it was just an excuse to boss people around. Same with GP when JEM owned it; I only did work because he said he was going to give me ownership.

When I bought PT (with a close friend) we didn't hire any employees and spent all our online time running the business. We made insane profit margins and it was basically just a way to abuse/buff mining (instead of our lead/iron being valued at $6; which balanced mining and always kept it from being OP with levels and whatnot, and we turned them into $15-40 shop items with a little extra effort).

I ended up getting threatened (by administration) that they would take the business away for not 'running it properly' and they forced me to sell it. Thus I never got involved in that side of Era again and wouldn't recommend it (Whenever you're on a Owner tag you get a million PMs to hire people... and then they do nothing; or people just expecting you to give them things).
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From an Administration/Development standpoint now; I don't see the point. We don't exactly have enough resources to do the things we want done and trying to balance these businesses and appease a half dozen 'owners' who believe they are specially privileged is just insanity.

Thus I agree that we should just automate the businesses that are too far gone/outdated.

Godzilla · #43 12-19-2014, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Supaman771

Thus I agree that we should just automate the businesses that are too far gone/outdated.

too far gone/outdated? I don't see any business as that, I think a few lines in a few scripts need to be changed and that's it. I don't see how this hasn't been done yet when it's a simple 30 minute job from what I have been told.

1)Raise the price of items; a few numbers changed.

2)Remove a few variables from each business that make it harder to stock; deleting a few lines of script.

3)Raising the amount stocked per business for an actual stock; a few numbers changed.

I'm confused as to what is so difficult to manage?

Kohola_KinG · #44 12-19-2014, 11:01 PM

Just do away with the business "buildings" and build a market close to unstick with all the food items you need and all the money gained form buyers goes into the lottery draw.

Ok thanks.

Demisis_P2P · #45 12-20-2014, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

Just do away with the business "buildings" and build a market close to unstick with all the food items you need and all the money gained form buyers goes into the lottery draw.

Ok thanks.

Lets just build this at unstick me and the faster you press 'A' the faster you swim.

xDarkTAx · #46 12-20-2014, 03:20 AM

Remove the wait time in-between eating food, or decrease it dramatically. If Era is actually growing in player count more content should be added for players to do, not less. Everything that can have a non-npc owner should be owned by the players. Things like the Mall don't really require any work and would have no purpose being player-owned but there is no reason Era hotel or Greenroads Cafe should not be player owned. Also, increase food prices to make working for a business actually worthwhile.

bradigger · #47 12-20-2014, 10:47 AM

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Take away money? From who?? I've learned from this thread that jobs don't pay HALF as much as an NPC job on Era. You even said it yourself

I rarely trash pick. I just made about 60k from Ammo Mart and 20k from PyroTech this week. That's basically all my income. You're taking it away if the place goes NPC-owned. What makes you think businesses making less money than trash picking means you're not taking money away from people?

geneticfrog · #48 12-20-2014, 01:29 PM

trash picking is the main issue.

ooger · #49 12-20-2014, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by geneticfrog

trash picking is the main issue.

You keep saying this and nobody else sees a problem with it. It's good money and uses the whole gmap and promotes some pking too (also lets you multi task with the snowman xmas event). ALL JOBS ARE MONEY TAKEN FROM NOWHERE AND PUT INTO THE ECONOMY-Mining, shells, trash picking, car missions, etc. Who the hell cares man I don't even see you on the server yet you're trying to "fix" everything.

geneticfrog · #50 12-20-2014, 02:43 PM

yeah i find era extra laggy now and economy is so out of wack theres not really any point in investing time when its just gona get reset at some point sooner or later when they figure out how jobs again.

I thought era was doing better then this to be honest. unless i get mad stoned i dont really enjoy the game play halo1 style fighting but add unlimited heals as anyone can carry any amount of anything with lightwieght potions.

happy holidays!

Supaman771 · #51 12-20-2014, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by geneticfrog

yeah i find era extra laggy now and economy is so out of wack theres not really any point in investing time when its just gona get reset at some point sooner or later when they figure out how jobs again.

I thought era was doing better then this to be honest. unless i get mad stoned i dont really enjoy the game play halo1 style fighting but add unlimited heals as anyone can carry any amount of anything with lightwieght potions.

happy holidays!

Lag was about halved when the serverhost got updated (and all the UC servers removed??). Before I couldn't get under 100ms and now I don't go above 60.

If you're having issues with FPS that would be your computers performance. Try turning off the effects in the options menu (Bullet, Fire, Ganis) and if that doesn't work maybe you need to turn off nicknames.
I could attribute this 'lag' for you to the increase in players, for some reason on my vista laptop.. the more text (chat/nicknames) in the level the lower my FPS. So try turning that stuff down.

You need a combination of potions to pick up/carry those items. And you need to maintain them if you make the decision to not use a home/item storage. It is cheaper in the short-run (if you're mining once and just want to super pot) but in the long run it encourages people to actually buy/use storage to cut down on potion costs.

These potions are available to all players including you; it's not really an advantage.

Happy Holidays to you as well!

geneticfrog · #52 12-20-2014, 08:11 PM

just saying if it hasn't changed the lightweight pots use to last 7 days right? (might be wrong but just need to adjust math if wrong)

anyways 52.1775 (weeks in a year) x the 6k pots i see currently = 313k for one whole year thats if you dont have a friend with thousands already who will sell for less.

people are stating you can make like 100k in an hour or two so i dont see the benefits of owning a house you can just lose for not logging on same for storage and hotels.

plus if they have ahouse or not they need the potion to carry many guns for hotkeys and heals and such for gang wars.

like it or not everyone uses them anyway if they are serious about era gangs.so again, they are buying pots either way cuz its the best option over time as you carry every item on you without slowing down = more kills and less walking to storage thousands of times. PLUS you can resell them for higher very quickly AND carry more rocks and trash.

lightweight basically killed storage but gotta get them with real money right

$> gameplay.

stephane needs that $$$$

geneticfrog · #53 12-20-2014, 08:14 PM

oh and i forgot to mention i dont know prices of houses but i can only assume its infalted with the economy as everyone is "rich".

how many years would it take of light weights to buy a decent house? (not considering the benefits of having every item on you ready for all situations like healing in gang wars, using multiple guns and carry more rocks and trash still walk full speed)

and do you even still expect to be playing after that many years?

edit: oh yeah and you lose a house after 14 days XD risk getting pc crashed or anything else more then 2 weeks you lost the house XD yet you dont lose the LW potions.

Godzilla · #54 12-20-2014, 09:00 PM

Houses are seriously the same price; 300kish for a basic one, 500k for a decent one and 750k for an amazing one.

Supaman771 · #55 12-20-2014, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Godzilla

Houses are seriously the same price; 300kish for a basic one, 500k for a decent one and 750k for an amazing one.

Apartments went for like 10-50k last I saw them being auctioned.
You can theoretically store the same number of items in an apartment as you can the largest house on Era.

The house guidelines aren't explicit, I only see it enforced if someone is banned for 14 days or longer.

geneticfrog · #56 12-20-2014, 10:01 PM

but you lose the house after 2 weeks and at the same time the people who have houses like you i assume godzilla. im sure you use LW either way to carry their entire inventory for PVP.

heals, music, healing boomers, full set of hotkeyed weps for all situations especially for gang wars. if you are rich one again you have no need for a house cuz its only storage to carry rocks or trash if it weighs anything.

and if you really need to store stuff do the safe thing and buy a temporary hotel or temp storage locker for waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less and its basically a cheap "disposable" way for storage but the house you lose money if you dont sell it and lose it all if you dont log on. (lame)

geneticfrog · #57 12-20-2014, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Supaman771

Apartments went for like 10-50k last I saw them being auctioned.
You can theoretically store the same number of items in an apartment as you can the largest house on Era.

The house guidelines aren't explicit, I only see it enforced if someone is banned for 14 days or longer.

still doesn't beat storage lockers they are the best!!! cheap as fawk and disposable plus you can pay in advance to keep it longer

!!! (go on vacation for a month yet idk why you would do that lol store it all on you.....)

best option LW other wise you use storage lockers, anything else is a waste of money.

Supaman771 · #58 12-20-2014, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by geneticfrog

best option LW other wise you use storage lockers, anything else is a waste of money.

Then use LW potions? You're not barred from using them... what the hell are you complaining about.

shrimps · #59 12-20-2014, 10:05 PM

Even if you want to keep your whole house on you and you use a lightweight you still have to use a constant supply of super strength potions otherwise you wont be able to pick anything up anyway. Although I see it was changed so you can pick trash even when you are over weight, would be nice if you could get minerals from the grinding machines when over weight as well.

ToreG · #60 12-20-2014, 10:15 PM

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...Although I see it was changed so you can pick trash even when you are over weight, would be nice if you could get minerals from the grinding machines when over weight as well.

I 100% agree with Shrimps on this.

geneticfrog · #61 12-20-2014, 11:23 PM

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Then use LW potions? You're not barred from using them... what the hell are you complaining about.

XD just trying to say how houses are badly utilized and basically pointless while LW is so amazingly usefull it kills houses and need for storage.

imagine era with LW gone it would be so much better (more skill required imo). it might stop people from have basically a years worth of food, armor, ammo, unlimited guns, melee weapons, bombs, hats and none deal with weight. imagine the other way around how era was acutally meant to be xD

other wise just remove weight -.- all its tehre for is to make you buy LW potions xD ahhhh all about that gelat $$$$$$$ <3 stephane.

stephane wont agree im sure taking away gelat item im sure. you would acutally hear from him XD.

geneticfrog · #62 12-20-2014, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by shrimps

Even if you want to keep your whole house on you and you use a lightweight you still have to use a constant supply of super strength potions otherwise you wont be able to pick anything up anyway. Although I see it was changed so you can pick trash even when you are over weight, would be nice if you could get minerals from the grinding machines when over weight as well.

all you need to pick up is trash as its the best job on era apparantly.

and ide rather see LW gone but thats my opinion, people dont seem to like change. especially oblies who already have their roots so deep that dont want to lose anything.

run around with every single weapon,armor, bombs, enough food to feed africa 2-5 times per player and so on ans so forth still being able to walk as fast as possible.

sooooooo silly <3

shrimps · #63 12-20-2014, 11:31 PM

I still prefer mining even if trash picking is slower.

geneticfrog · #64 12-20-2014, 11:33 PM

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I still prefer mining even if trash picking is slower.

at least we still have some loyal stockers, more trash for everyone else while they buy out the cheap ammo you farm all that time wasted all that potential profit from trash lost. xD

goaqstbuster247 · #65 12-21-2014, 04:15 PM

I've noticed Mining is the best job for the long haul. I've never seen a High level miner poor. I use trash picking for quick money if I need 50k or so fast.

Zongui · #66 12-21-2014, 04:46 PM

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I've noticed Mining is the best job for the long haul. I've never seen a High level miner poor. I use trash picking for quick money if I need 50k or so fast.

dont think so. i heard the higher level miners make about 100k in an hour. anyone who picks trash for an hour can make 100k. they also dont have to grind rocks. trash pickin is better. only problem is there are a lot of people who do it, so you wont have as much trash to pick in an hour.

geneticfrog · #67 12-21-2014, 05:00 PM

everyone is rich they dont need to pick trash anymore i only see newbs doing it.

shrimps · #68 12-21-2014, 06:21 PM

I'd say I can mine about 100k worth of rocks in about 70 minutes, but then you have to spend the 20 or so minutes grinding them. Plus you have to use a super strength.
So yeah trash picking is better if you can get 100k an hour from trash picking.
And this is 1hitting the rocks 100% of the time, literally speed run as fast as I can mine rooms of rocks with out stopping for any seconds.
So it definitely would take longer mining

Zongui · #69 12-21-2014, 08:55 PM

yeah see shrimps is like 150 mining level and can make the same amount mining in one hour than some noob picking trash off the streets for one hour. actually less because he still has to grind them and all that. makes mining levels useless pretty much. forgot about the cost of tnt as well. trash picking is the way to go now. if they did buff mining i dunno how they would do it. mining is the most boring out of them all too. it was the best out of them all before the update tho. is digging better than mining now too?

Supaman771 · #70 12-21-2014, 09:07 PM

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yeah see shrimps is like 150 mining level and can make the same amount mining in one hour than some noob picking trash off the streets for one hour. actually less because he still has to grind them and all that. makes mining levels useless pretty much. forgot about the cost of tnt as well. trash picking is the way to go now. if they did buff mining i dunno how they would do it. mining is the most boring out of them all too. it was the best out of them all before the update tho. is digging better than mining now too?

So what you're saying is we should nerf trash?

Zongui · #71 12-21-2014, 09:11 PM

well i am biased because my mining level is 2 and i hate mining, and so i like the money i get from trash picking. would suck to see it get hit. but i feel for the high level miners like shrimps. stuff happens tho.

i don't mind trash picking gettin hit a little tho. or mining a little buff. i'm curious about digging, though. i think less than 5 people do it.

@rogue your mining level is pretty high too

shrimps · #72 12-21-2014, 09:32 PM

Yes nerf trash. I agree.

geneticfrog · #73 12-22-2014, 12:19 AM

its kinda late now everyone got rich already XD... especially while farming snow men it boosted everyone to farm trash extra hard.

shrimps · #74 12-22-2014, 12:47 AM

It's okay it'll balance out eventually.

Zongui · #75 12-22-2014, 01:14 AM

most people are constantly spending their money on weapons. just keep the weapons coming. the rich rich people don't really spend their money.

geneticfrog · #76 12-22-2014, 12:37 PM

yeah you but a weapon then sell it for more lol.. need money to make money thats why no one spends their entire fortune it would just be stupid.

only thing eating up money is bullets since theres only 2 million cookies on the map for free.

swift · #77 12-23-2014, 04:12 AM

here's a quick idea for buffing ammo businesses:

make all current ammo boxes only 25 bullets to load. (compared to current 100), and increase the amount a business can stock drastically. Keep the same prices.

People will need to buy more boxes of ammo in order to fully load their gun, and the price doesn't increase.

xDarkTAx · #78 12-24-2014, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by swift

here's a quick idea for buffing ammo businesses:

make all current ammo boxes only 25 bullets to load. (compared to current 100), and increase the amount a business can stock drastically. Keep the same prices.

People will need to buy more boxes of ammo in order to fully load their gun, and the price doesn't increase.

Would that make stocking ammo worth it though? Just because the business sells more ammo does not make each stock pay you more.