Achievement System

[Supaman771]

Originally Posted by Fiberwyre_P2P

A problem I see with what you're suggesting is that there are already permanent achievements, people have already earned them, and a lot of them don't give much more than 1, 2, or 3 coins. Changing the amount of coins they give you would be a hassle.

To be completely honest, the current rewards aren't even thought out or anything. We never considered the costs of the prizes, or how many achievements would be added, etc. I was simply told to just rename some files and think of random things to 'fill it out' for a default release.

The ones I made up, almost all were either the 5 coin default cause I didn't change it, or some randomass number like 40/75/90.. while the ones Sage wrote up are all like 10/15/20/25, it inherently isn't balanced for lack of better terminology.

Beyond this, adding cumulative achievements for existing things (like mining/jobs/events) won't work because you have to manually add a new line checking that achievement and it would ignore any previous progress of similar ones. Ex. If I added a 10k rock one, and you already have the 5k rock one, you'd still have to mine 10k rocks.

Further beyond this, as stated prior, no one on the current team knows how to do any of this. I believe it was released prematurely and is just gathering dust now because these reasons. I mean half of the default ones still don't have icons.

The best route, imho, is to just turn it off & reset the progress/coins until someone can properly launch it.

[shrimps]

Originally Posted by Supaman771

The best route, imho, is to just turn it off & reset the progress/coins until someone can properly launch it.

I agree

[Zongui]

just host an auction. i remember there was an auction that involved halloween coins instead of cash. this auction would be similar to that. that way people can spend their coins on items. i don't know how long it took to setup that halloween coin option, so nvm if it is too much trouble.

[Godzilla]

Originally Posted by Zongui

just host an auction. i remember there was an auction that involved halloween coins instead of cash. this auction would be similar to that. that way people can spend their coins on items. i don't know how long it took to setup that halloween coin option, so nvm if it is too much trouble.

Your problem with that is; If 5 people all did all of the achievements they are screwed, it's basically whoever bids all of the coins first because they would have the exact amount of coins.

They need to disable and remove the coins until the system is actually life-time function-able, it's basically just another banter right over new players right now.

[Zongui]

Originally Posted by Godzilla

Your problem with that is; If 5 people all did all of the achievements they are screwed, it's basically whoever bids all of the coins first because they would have the exact amount of coins.

They need to disable and remove the coins until the system is actually life-time function-able, it's basically just another banter right over new players right now.

yeah that could be a problem, but i am guessing that not everyone has the same number of coins just like not everyone had the same number of halloween coins. i think most people on era have different amount of coins. there would be multiple items up for auction, just like with the halloween auction. if someone wants to bid a certain # of coins on an item, then let that person use up his coins on that item. someone else can bid whatever amount of coins on the next item and so on.

just like with the halloween auction, there were 3 or 4 pumpkin bows that were put up. people who had coins bid on them, and they all went for different values each time. same would happen with the achievement coins.

there are people on era with 900+ coins and others with a lot less. i think i have about 50 coins. lord knows they have given us enough time to rack of the coins (the achievement system came out back in august). just like with the halloween auction, the people who spent the most time doing the quest were rewarded with a lot of coins. the people who spent a lot of time getting achievements will be rewarded as well.

[Godzilla]

Originally Posted by Zongui

yeah that could be a problem, but i am guessing that not everyone has the same number of coins just like not everyone had the same number of halloween coins. i think most people on era have different amount of coins. there would be multiple items up for auction, just like with the halloween auction. if someone wants to bid a certain # of coins on an item, then let that person use up his coins on that item. someone else can bid whatever amount of coins on the next item and so on.

just like with the halloween auction, there were 3 or 4 pumpkin bows that were put up. people who had coins bid on them, and they all went for different values each time. same would happen with the achievement coins.

there are people on era with 900+ coins and others with a lot less. i think i have about 50 coins. lord knows they have given us enough time to rack of the coins (the achievement system came out back in august). just like with the halloween auction, the people who spent the most time doing the quest were rewarded with a lot of coins. the people who spent a lot of time getting achievements will be rewarded as well.

Halloween coins were based off of other items you collected for EACH kill, meaning there was an endless amount of coins you could of obtain.

There is no reset in the achievements, you don't have an endless possibility, at some point you hit the nail on the head and have all achievements and maximum amount of coins, thus making auctions biased in a lot of angles.

[Zongui]

oh i didn't know that about halloween coins. i never did the quest. nvm.

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Godzilla

Your problem with that is; If 5 people all did all of the achievements they are screwed, it's basically whoever bids all of the coins first because they would have the exact amount of coins.

They need to disable and remove the coins until the system is actually life-time function-able, it's basically just another banter right over new players right now.

No not everyone will have the same coins just because they have the same achievements. Not everyone will have completed the same amount of achievements as others. So in that term, that is not correct.

[Fiberwyre_P2P]

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

No not everyone will have the same coins just because they have the same achievements. Not everyone will have completed the same amount of achievements as others. So in that term, that is not correct.

I hope you don't actually think you're right in saying that.

[Godzilla]

Originally Posted by Fiberwyre_P2P

I hope you don't actually think you're right in saying that.

You see, I can't log onto Era so I go off of what people are saying on the forums but I was sure that I was correct with the way Rogue described how he made the system with Sage.

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Fiberwyre_P2P

I hope you don't actually think you're right in saying that.

I know i am right. O.o Everyone has the same achievements but not everyone will have achieved them.

[Godzilla]

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

I know i am right. O.o Everyone has the same achievements but not everyone will have achieved them.

Then you're wrong for calling me wrong, re-read what I stated;

Me and Fiber do 5 achievements, each achievement gives us 5 coins we both have 25 coins.

You put an auction up for a flak cannon in achievement coins, fiber bids 25 coins straight away and I can no longer bid higher than him forcing him to win. In theory for the right item, whoever bids all of the achievement coins will win instantly.

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Godzilla

Then you're wrong for calling me wrong, re-read what I stated;

Me and Fiber do 5 achievements, each achievement gives us 5 coins we both have 25 coins.

You put an auction up for a flak cannon in achievement coins, fiber bids 25 coins straight away and I can no longer bid higher than him forcing him to win. In theory for the right item, whoever bids all of the achievement coins will win instantly.

Your fault for only doing 5 achievements, there is more than 5 achievements. If you want to outbid him go do more achievements then you will have more coins... That's like saying if there was an EC auction... If you won 5 events and fiber won 5 events then you couldn't outbid him because you both only won 5, to bad, you should of won more.

Also if you do have the same amount of coins, if you didn't bid first then again, to bad.

[Godzilla]

Originally Posted by Kohola_KinG

Your fault for only doing 5 achievements, there is more than 5 achievements. If you want to outbid him go do more achievements then you will have more coins... That's like saying if there was an EC auction... If you won 5 events and fiber won 5 events then you couldn't outbid him because you both only won 5, to bad, you should of won more.

Also if you do have the same amount of coins, if you didn't bid first then again, to bad.

You're so stupid, I'm stating a scenario, you're not following the scenario.

Also, there is an unlimited amount of events, at some point you will hit the the nail on the head of having ALL of the achievements, thus making an auction pointless because people will either have the same amount of coins (having done all the achievements) or less coins for not doing them all, making an auction biased in many ways.

[Kohola_KinG]

Originally Posted by Godzilla

You're so stupid, I'm stating a scenario, you're not following the scenario.

Also, there is an unlimited amount of events, at some point you will hit the the nail on the head of having ALL of the achievements, thus making an auction pointless because people will either have the same amount of coins (having done all the achievements) or less coins for not doing them all, making an auction biased in many ways.

You are stating a scenario but i give reasons why that scenario can work. You won't have all of the achievements because the achievement system is designed that you can keep adding new achievements and you can have unlimited achievements like earning so many x kills per week and keep gaining new coins. Therefore, it can work.