What sort of Graalian are you? v2

[Cow2001]

trying again with a fixed poll,
vote for your current position, if you have more than one choose the 'main' one\the one you think is most important.

[papajchris]

you still messed up. Manager isn't a dev position

[Cow2001]

Originally Posted by papajchris

you still messed up. Manager isn't a dev position

even if we ignore that almost every manager develops to an extent, managers are still the guys who decide on the direction of the server and dictate what will be developed.
so even if a manager doesn't technically develops (and I think most do) you can still say it's a development related position.

[kia345]

Do we even still have a news team?

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by kia345

Do we even still have a news team?

Yeah. I'm still one of them according to my tag.

[papajchris]

Originally Posted by Cow2001

even if we ignore that almost every manager develops to an extent, managers are still the guys who decide on the direction of the server and dictate what will be developed.
so even if a manager doesn't technically develops (and I think most do) you can still say it's a development related position.

Where do server admins or co-managers fit in?

[Cow2001]

Originally Posted by papajchris

Where do server admins or co-managers fit in?

co-managers fit in development development.
LAT admins go to development, GP chiefs to non-development.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Cow2001

even if we ignore that almost every manager develops to an extent, managers are still the guys who decide on the direction of the server and dictate what will be developed.
so even if a manager doesn't technically develops (and I think most do) you can still say it's a development related position.

I'd like to direct you to this

You're slightly right, but mostly wrong.

[maximus_asinus]

I just post on the forums, new option please

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

I just post on the forums, new thread please

...

[Cow2001]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

I'd like to direct you to this

You're slightly right, but mostly wrong.

the video doesn't contradict my point. the producer oversees development, so he still can be categorized as someone involved in development.
(+we're talking about graal managers, are they the same as video game producers?)

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Cow2001

the video doesn't contradict my point. the producer oversees development, so he still can be categorized as someone involved in development.
(+we're talking about graal managers, are they the same as video game producers?)

Managers are not a developer role though, is my point, they are a management role, they are there to organize everything within the team of developers to make things go efficiently and effectively, at the most I'll say they relate to them, not directly involved.
This is the same problem as the last thread's poll, your poll is completely ambiguous as to what you're talking/asking about.
You even wrote the option like this:

Development staff (LAT or manager)

To answer your question in parenthesis, yes they are, the fact you're actually asking this question makes me question if you know what you're even trying to convey as a question, as well as making me question as to how much of the video you actually watched or was capable of understanding.

[TheGodAngelo]

a lat would make a terrible manager. does anyone still use the term lat?
it seems so out of date and out of place.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by TheGodAngelo

a lat would make a terrible manager. does anyone still use the term lat?
it seems so out of date and out of place.

Yeah, clearly we need Level Designs *Associates

[Cow2001]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

Managers are not a developer role though, is my point, they are a management role, they are there to organize everything within the team of developers to make things go efficiently and effectively, at the most I'll say they relate to them, not directly involved.
This is the same problem as the last thread's poll, your poll is completely ambiguous as to what you're talking/asking about.
You even wrote the option like this:

i get your point, but i don't agree with it.
I consider development as any part of the process that brings the server\server content to the players. so the one that plans the server, organizes the teams, makes them work well, is a major person in the development process and I consider them as a part of the development staff.
and anyway i think most managers on graal today also actively develop.

Originally Posted by TheGodAngelo

a lat would make a terrible manager. does anyone still use the term lat?
it seems so out of date and out of place.

but thor is a LAT
and i see nothing wrong with the term.

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

I just post on the forums, new option please

don't u play classic?
anyway there's a new poll option for you! (thx to the mod who added)

[Tricxta]

Yo, what do I select if I only script?

[Cow2001]

Originally Posted by Tricxta

Yo, what do I select if I only script?

development of course

[Tricxta]

Originally Posted by Cow2001

Development staff (LAT or manager)

development of course

By putting "LAT or manager" in brackets, you're implying it's one or the other but not anything else.

[Cow2001]

Originally Posted by Tricxta

By putting "LAT or manager" in brackets, you're implying it's one or the other but not anything else.

the brackets contain examples.
and I thought NPC scripters are LATs?

[TheGodAngelo]

Oh, I just got it. LOL. nice one man.
That was subtle. you totally got us.

[Tricxta]

Originally Posted by TheGodAngelo

Oh, I just got it. LOL. nice one man.
That was subtle. you totally got us.

This.... this was my reaction.

[maximus_asinus]

Cow comes from the old days where LAT covered levels and scripting. Don't think he was making a joke.

[maximus_asinus]

And no I do not play much nowadays. I login maybe twice a year but I haven't played regularly in years. Thanks for updating the poll though.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Cow2001

i get your point, but i don't agree with it.
I consider development as any part of the process that brings the server\server content to the players. so the one that plans the server, organizes the teams, makes them work well, is a major person in the development process and I consider them as a part of the development staff.
and anyway i think most managers on graal today also actively develop.

Okay, done reasoning, you disagree for reasons that are faulty, therefore you're not even trying to learn the difference, good day.
P.S: Nice one.

[Cow2001]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

Okay, done reasoning, you disagree for reasons that are faulty, therefore you're not even trying to learn the difference, good day.
P.S: Nice one.

i get the difference. but i use a broader definition of development in this case, while you use a more limited definition, that's it.

[Tim_Rocks]

Originally Posted by Cow2001

i get the difference. but i use a broader definition of development in this case, while you use a more limited definition, that's it.

[Admins]

Lots of global admins

[Cow2001]

yeah, i forgot this is a children's forum

[Unpredlctable]

[Cow2001]

[Unpredlctable]

[fowlplay4]

Originally Posted by Cow2001

yeah, i forgot this is a children's forum

no im like 40

[Elk]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Lots of global admins

do you actually know all of your global staffs and what they are doing ?

[Crono]

Manager is not a development position. This is not an opinion.

[Crow]

Originally Posted by Crono

Manager is not a development position. This is not an opinion.

I'd like to sign that.

[Cow2001]

it can be considered a development position, it depends on the terminology you're using of the term.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Cow2001

it can be considered a development position, it depends on the terminology you're using of the term.

No it doesn't. Manager in this context is just that - manager. Their only job is to manage the staff team, they don't need to develop. Many managers are, however, skilled in some form of development. Statistically, developers are more likely to stick around and eventually make it to manager because they contributed content to the server. PR/GP/FAQ/whatever tend to revolve more around the community and are more likely to leave because they haven't contributed as much to the content of their server, thus leaving them with less connection to whatever server they are working for.

[Elk]

Theres no Managers on Graal, not even Stefan is one nor Unixmad

Good Managers can be considered a very valuable key figure in development as they have to come with ace human resource management skills, maintaining motivation and the ability to bring forth the potential of a team as one unity to advance in development as a whole

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Elk

Theres no Managers on Graal, not even Stefan is one nor Unixmad

Good Managers can be considered a very valuable key figure in development as they have to come with ace human resource management skills, maintaining motivation and the ability to bring forth the potential of a team as one unity to advance in development as a whole

Manager is a broad term but it can be applied on Graal. There are people on Graal that have all of the qualities you listed, they just don't have enough power/freedom/time to fully expose themselves.

[shrimps]

Originally Posted by Crono

to fully expose themselves.

Tehehehe.