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[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Hiro

Go to 1 minute, and watch how Praydoh moves upwards to the left to hold his blink - that movement is not possible on IBM keyboards because you cannot strafe in that direction.

All I see at 1 minute is Prado getting hit three times in a row by Squirt who is not strafing at all. Must be my lack of spar skills, or hell, could it be that without side strafing you can compete at higher levels of sparring? Or maybe Squirt, who won the tournament, isn't high enough level for you. Etc etc.

Originally Posted by Hiro

Or maybe you didn't see how there were practically zero sidehits the entire spar, a technique which requires strafing to pull off without the opponent running into you?

There are several side hits throughout the video. Yes, there is a bias towards right-facing hits, but there are still left-facing hits which cannot be strafed.

Originally Posted by Hiro

What is with you and Crono suddenly thinking you know how to spar? Has the population decreased so drastically that you're considered good now? You guys are decent, sure, but high tier? I'm sorry, but no.

I'm pretty sure that neither of us even implied that we were 'high tier' but that is not relevant at all. It does not take someone who is 'high tier' to know how to spar on a PC, have access to iPods, and have sparred on both to understand the limitations. You haven't done this, so how you can think you're some big guru on the subject is beyond me.

Originally Posted by Hiro

The lag I have been experiencing is why I've slowly sparred less and less, up until now where I hardly spar at all. I've even sat out of those friendly tag-team spars that pop up BECAUSE I lag too much. Is that using lag to my advantage - not sparring at all because of it?

Okay so you lag and you're saying **** like "I'll be the definitive PC sparrer to represent over 10 years of "PC Sparring" even though I'm not considered the best of all time, and you round up all the top iSparrers to try and defeat me." Yeah no, that's definitely an arrogant and embarrassing attitude to me.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Rufus

All I see at 1 minute is Prado getting hit three times in a row by Squirt who is not strafing at all. Must be my lack of spar skills, or hell, could it be that without side strafing you can compete at higher levels of sparring? Or maybe Squirt, who won the tournament, isn't high enough level for you. Etc etc.

I was talking about Praydoh's movements. I even told you the direction he was going. So I guess you really can't tell.

Originally Posted by Rufus

There are several side hits throughout the video. Yes, there is a bias towards right-facing hits, but there are still left-facing hits which cannot be strafed.

Sidehits are not simply "hits taken from the side" as the face-value of the term suggests.

Originally Posted by Rufus

I'm pretty sure that neither of us even implied that we were 'high tier' but that is not relevant at all. It does not take someone who is 'high tier' to know how to spar on a PC, have access to iPods, and have sparred on both to understand the limitations. You haven't done this, so how you can think you're some big guru on the subject is beyond me.

All I've been arguing is that strafing is necessary for good sparring. The only argument back is "you can win without it" which is like saying you can use the numpad to move around and win but you'll be at an obvious disadvantage, and no one good does that.

Originally Posted by Rufus

Okay so you lag and you're saying **** like "I'll be the definitive PC sparrer to represent over 10 years of "PC Sparring" even though I'm not considered the best of all time, and you round up all the top iSparrers to try and defeat me." Yeah no, that's definitely an arrogant and embarrassing attitude to me.

Sure, I'm ****y when it comes to sparring, what of it? I win a lot.

And I'll fix up my lag once I'm home. I got a new router recently which I think was most of my lag problem (I hope).

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Hiro

I was talking about Praydoh's movements. I even told you the direction he was going. So I guess you really can't tell.

So Prado is strafing it's not actually doing anything for him as he's hit three times in a row, yet you believe that it is imperative to higher sparring?

Originally Posted by Hiro

All I've been arguing is that strafing is necessary for good sparring. The only argument back is "you can win without it" which is like saying you can use the numpad to move around and win but you'll be at an obvious disadvantage, and no one good does that.

I am not contesting that strafing is or isn't an advantage in sparring, but I do not believe that it is tantamount to a 'higher sparring level'. As Crono said, strafing is a technical advantage but you don't need it to win against someone of equal skill. Decent iPhone sparrers can beat experienced PC sparrers and they do not have the ability to strafe.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by Rufus

So Prado is strafing it's not actually doing anything for him as he's hit three times in a row, yet you believe that it is imperative to higher sparring?

He didn't use it very well, and Squirt is better than him. Squirt strafes a bit in that spar as well, want me to find you a specific instance for him to?

Originally Posted by Rufus

I am not contesting that strafing is or isn't an advantage in sparring, but I do not believe that it is tantamount to a 'higher sparring level'. As Crono said, strafing is a technical advantage but you don't need it to win against someone of equal skill. Decent iPhone sparrers can beat experienced PC sparrers and they do not have the ability to strafe.

But it is. Sure they can compete, but they won't be high tier. They won't have access to the techniques which strafing allows, and if someone good takes advantage of that, they will be able to win any series against them.

You don't have to believe me. You and Crono clearly don't, and that's fine. There is a lot more to sparring than just strafing, but most of the high tier sparrers use it for a reason.