Charity Shop

[Fiberwyre_P2P]

iPaul was massing about having a charity fundraiser for the noobs of era the other day, and it got me thinking.

This is the best way I could think to raise money for noobs as well as distribute it fairly:

There's an NPC-ran shop that sells items. The items could be hats, guns, miscellaneous fun items, etc.

The shop would take 25% of the proceeds and split the other 75% amongst everyone on the server at the time.

(another way is if the shop just takes all of the money, and gives out 75% of it's safe at the end of each week.)

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As an example:

There are 60 people online, and I buy a 30k hat from the charity shop.

This message goes out to everyone:

"[Charity Shop] everyone receives $375 from Fiberwyre_P2P's purchase."

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So there you go; rich people helping noobs and getting something back for it, as well as 25% of the proceeds being taken out of the economy all at the same time.

[Unkownsoldier]

Shouldn't noobs work for their money? Everyone else did, unless they had a rich friend. Giving hand outs tells them they can get what they want with no work. It's not like they NEED the money.

[cbk1994]

****ing socialists

[Fiberwyre_P2P]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

****ing socialists

The more money noobs have, the more likely they are to buy stuff from you ;P

[Unkownsoldier]

Originally Posted by Fiberwyre_P2P

The more money noobs have, the more likely they are to buy stuff from you ;P

How could you determine whats a noob? Hours, kills, event wins? What is to stop other players from making multiple accounts to reap the benefits?

[papajchris]

hes staff, theres ways to find out.

[Scoper]

based on your original post..-everyone- on the server would have some of this money?

People would just set up macro bots that moved them every 10 minutes and stay on 24 hours a day.

[Fulg0reSama]

I find there to be an issue with this system.

This shop would have to provide something EVERYONE needs and wants, the idea of a "Charity Shop" is nice on paper, but no one is honestly going to go shopping to give money to others, it's just against human nature, people buy items for themselves to get something they want, you'd have to clearly give in to this for the shop itself to work, but that would make influencing the materialistic portion of the market in a possibly big manner (this would depend on how big the items you put up are) a possible issue, but I don't play Era very often, this could use some more clarification if you wouldn't mind inputting towards this.

I'll have to construct on this some more, but don't have the time atm to do so.

[Fiberwyre_P2P]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

I find there to be an issue with this system.

This shop would have to provide something EVERYONE needs and wants, the idea of a "Charity Shop" is nice on paper, but no one is honestly going to go shopping to give money to others, it's just against human nature, people buy items for themselves to get something they want, you'd have to clearly give in to this for the shop itself to work, but that would make influencing the materialistic portion of the market in a possibly big manner (this would depend on how big the items you put up are) a possible issue, but I don't play Era very often, this could use some more clarification if you wouldn't mind inputting towards this.

I'll have to construct on this some more, but don't have the time atm to do so.

Yeah, basically what you're saying. The items in the shop would have to be desirable enough that people who buy it wouldn't feel like they're getting ripped off, even though they're donating money in the process.

Originally Posted by Scoper

based on your original post..-everyone- on the server would have some of this money?

People would just set up macro bots that moved them every 10 minutes and stay on 24 hours a day.

Despite that being illegal and bannable, what effect do you think that will have on the entire economy?
People can only get a small fraction of the money spent at the shop, and even then there is still no net gain in the money in the economy. it basically serves to redistribute small bits of wealth at a time.

And how hard is it to see multiple accounts on the same IP, or to see who has been on for 48 hours straight?

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Fiberwyre_P2P

Yeah, basically what you're saying. The items in the shop would have to be desirable enough that people who buy it wouldn't feel like they're getting ripped off, even though they're donating money in the process.

Somewhat, yes, that is what I'm getting at, only one thing to fix though.
People are not willing to donate anything unless they feel they're doing something good, it has to have appeal, how would you get the appeal of the Era game community?

[Fiberwyre_P2P]

Originally Posted by Fiberwyre_P2P

As an example:

There are 60 people online, and I buy a 30k hat from the charity shop.

This message goes out to everyone:

"[Charity Shop] everyone receives $375 from Fiberwyre_P2P's purchase.

Basically this. People will see who they are getting money from.

And maybe there could be a list of the top donators, as well.

[Unkownsoldier]

This idea is a cop out for hard work. I believe in social darwinism, where you survive or you don't based on your skill-set and your abilities. Creating a "charity-shop" will allow some people to become lazy. This will also tell some of the younger players that it is okay just to get by on peoples donations and good-will. That is why America is in some-what of a crisis with people not doing any of the work but expecting all of the benefits.

Also, the system is un-fair. You say that creating bots so people could collect money is a banable offence. Well there are some people who honestly have nothing to do. So they could play Era for hours on end (actually playing) and reap all of the benefits. While other players who have school or work are subjected to less of a pay out because they have actual lives to live. Why should people who spend their whole day on be rewarded with more things, that is just encouraging their bad habits. I think it's a nice idea, but it isn't practical nor is it helpful to anyone.

[water95]

I don't think it's fair. Everyone else had to work for their money, and now your just basically handing all these new players free cash.

[WillaWonka]

Originally Posted by Unkownsoldier

How could you determine whats a noob? Hours, kills, event wins? What is to stop other players from making multiple accounts to reap the benefits?

Clearly by hours. Any other variable would be just "nub".

[Fiberwyre_P2P]

Originally Posted by Unkownsoldier

This idea is a cop out for hard work. I believe in social darwinism, where you survive or you don't based on your skill-set and your abilities. Creating a "charity-shop" will allow some people to become lazy. This will also tell some of the younger players that it is okay just to get by on peoples donations and good-will. That is why America is in some-what of a crisis with people not doing any of the work but expecting all of the benefits.

Also, the system is un-fair. You say that creating bots so people could collect money is a banable offence. Well there are some people who honestly have nothing to do. So they could play Era for hours on end (actually playing) and reap all of the benefits. While other players who have school or work are subjected to less of a pay out because they have actual lives to live. Why should people who spend their whole day on be rewarded with more things, that is just encouraging their bad habits. I think it's a nice idea, but it isn't practical nor is it helpful to anyone.

Social Darwinism is un-fair.
People who play more SHOULD have more money.
It isn't impractical, and money helps everyone.

[bloodykiller]

screw charity, i say give 100k to everyone with over 1mil cash

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by bloodykiller

screw charity, i say give 100k to everyone with over 1mil cash

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[Emera]

Originally Posted by bloodykiller

screw charity, i say give 100k to everyone with over 1mil cash

That's the most selfish, egoistic and shocking thing I have ever read on these forums. You really need to watch what you're saying. I can see really clearly now why your rep is as red as it can possibly get. Shameful.

[WillaWonka]

Originally Posted by Emera

That's the most selfish, egoistic and shocking thing I have ever read on these forums. You really need to watch what you're saying. I can see really clearly now why your rep is as red as it can possibly get. Shameful.

The 99%.

[bloodykiller]

Originally Posted by Emera

That's the most selfish, egoistic and shocking thing I have ever read on these forums. You really need to watch what you're saying. I can see really clearly now why your rep is as red as it can possibly get. Shameful.

ahhahaha u made my day

[FaLLChiLD]

Originally Posted by Fiberwyre_P2P

Social Darwinism is un-fair.
People who play more SHOULD have more money.
It isn't impractical, and money helps everyone.

But SHOULD it be handed to them for free? If you have more time to play, you have more time to go bust your ass on getting yourself money.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by FaLLChiLD

But SHOULD it be handed to them for free? If you have more time to play, you have more time to go bust your ass on getting yourself money.

Thank you for being the one to point that out, thought no one would :S

[Emera]

Originally Posted by bloodykiller

ahhahaha u made my day

You must lead a very boring life then.

[bloodykiller]

Originally Posted by FaLLChiLD

But SHOULD it be handed to them for free? If you have more time to play, you have more time to go bust your ass on getting yourself money.

well, u associate "busting your ass" as making money on era, this is because jobs r boring and staff (idk y, maybe cuz they're noobs?) won't make pking an effective way to earn money
by implementing this, making money would be fun and it's as if money IS handed to you, basically like playing cod: u have fun ranking up and getting more guns, u dont have to go and pick flowers or mine lmao..the person who originally made era was so dumb to not understand this, and so was every manager that came after him it seems

[Emera]

Originally Posted by bloodykiller

well, u associate "busting your ass" as making money on era, this is because jobs r boring and staff (idk y, maybe cuz they're noobs?) won't make pking an effective way to earn money
by implementing this, making money would be fun and it's as if money IS handed to you, basically like playing cod: u have fun ranking up and getting more guns, u dont have to go and pick flowers or mine lmao..the person who originally made era was so dumb to not understand this, and so was every manager that came after him it seems

SORy I DoNT sp3Ak nOOOb

[bloodykiller]

Originally Posted by Emera

SORy I DoNT sp3Ak nOOOb

kid, did ur hamster die or something today?

[Andre2006]

PKing already brings in enough money for people to buy themselves more ammunition than is being wasted, unless they are missing 10 out of 10 times, PK events are hosted frequently which is basically free kills with no deaths, with money for ammunition.
I don't really think PKing should bring in more money, than already is.

Jobs sure are boring but that is not why I don't bother doing them. The prices on ALL items are rediculous. If ALL prices would be balanced out I would not mind spending a couple of hours mining to buy something I actually want.

[Fiberwyre_P2P]

Originally Posted by Andre2006

PKing already brings in enough money for people to buy themselves more ammunition than is being wasted, unless they are missing 10 out of 10 times, PK events are hosted frequently which is basically free kills with no deaths, with money for ammunition.
I don't really think PKing should bring in more money, than already is.

Jobs sure are boring but that is not why I don't bother doing them. The prices on ALL items are rediculous. If ALL prices would be balanced out I would not mind spending a couple of hours mining to buy something I actually want.

So what's the difference between lowering prices and giving people more money? they have the same end result, except people feel better when they have more money cause they feel like they're rich, rather than just getting a good deal on a gun.

[ff7chocoboknight]

rofl Era's economy is so broken

[Andre2006]

Originally Posted by Fiberwyre_P2P

So what's the difference between lowering prices and giving people more money? they have the same end result, except people feel better when they have more money cause they feel like they're rich, rather than just getting a good deal on a gun.

I just mean that with how it currently is I don't think making PKing give out more money than it already is would be a solution to or help anything. I do like the charity shop idea though.

[bloodykiller]

Originally Posted by Andre2006

PKing already brings in enough money for people to buy themselves more ammunition than is being wasted, unless they are missing 10 out of 10 times, PK events are hosted frequently which is basically free kills with no deaths, with money for ammunition.
I don't really think PKing should bring in more money, than already is.

Jobs sure are boring but that is not why I don't bother doing them. The prices on ALL items are rediculous. If ALL prices would be balanced out I would not mind spending a couple of hours mining to buy something I actually want.

so u prefer making money mining rather than pking? iv always thought u were a sad person but today uv just reached a whole new level lmao

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by bloodykiller

so u prefer making money mining rather than pking? iv always thought u were a sad person but today uv just reached a whole new level lmao

How does it make him sad that he wants to make money a different way? You really need to learn to shut your trap when it comes to responses, because you honestly do not think anything through whatsoever.

[iPaul]

Ummm...Wow
Well i was just kidding about the whole "HELP THE NOOBS!"
i just wanted money so i can get money for a g36c
:P

[bloodykiller]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

How does it make him sad that he wants to make money a different way? You really need to learn to shut your trap when it comes to responses, because you honestly do not think anything through whatsoever.

ur sad too since u post on here and iv never even seen u on era lolol

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by bloodykiller

ur sad too since u post on here and iv never even seen u on era lolol

I don't get on very often, but I did play it for a little while and emphasis on little.

[FaLLChiLD]

No bloodykiller...Fulgore is right. Your responses are awful in every way. No wonder everyone just /facepalms anything you say. Good luck on ever getting anyone to listen to your opinion.

[ff7chocoboknight]

"Want guns? GET A JOB!" That should work. Just put posters everywhere to remind everyone.

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by ff7chocoboknight

"Want guns? GET A JOB!" That should work. Just put posters everywhere to remind everyone.

But people want welfare!

[RogueShatterblade]

Originally Posted by FaLLChiLD

No bloodykiller...Fulgore is right. Your responses are awful in every way. No wonder everyone just /facepalms anything you say. Good luck on ever getting anyone to listen to your opinion.

[ff7chocoboknight]

Era is the only server on Graal that demands things to be given to them constantly.