Debate: Should N-Pulse Remain on the Classic Tab?

[Fulg0reSama]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I walk across N-Pulse's map and everything is closed off, and I constantly get warped, yet my facts are wrong? N-Pulse is a broken server.

Your facts..? You are more like a bandwagon nobody with N-Pulse facts. Because clearly circular logic will make you right eventually with your "facts".

[TSAdmin]

Guys, enough of the pissing contest already. If you're going to move into personal quips, take it to forum PMs.

Originally Posted by sssssssssss

Lol, those questions will NEVER be answered...

Actually, they will.

Originally Posted by kia345

Why do the customers not get input on the servers they are capable of playing?

And in regards to the players with Classic accounts, why do they not get a say in whether the content they paid to access gets removed or not?

*If they didn't, why does this thread exist and remain unlocked? You're all entitled to input, but some input is not as valuable as the next. Unfortunately it's not always a case of "Player input will save this server" as you seem to be lobbying for. With every decision there will be those who oppose it. Can't avoid that. To be perfectly frank though, if player input was all that governed what tab servers were on, we'd end up with a bucket load of 0-5 playerbase servers on the Classic tab with about 50 more threads like this one.

*"Classic accounts" ultimately should never have existed. But again, point one covers ALL people equally, same principal applies to the groups of people within the greater community.

[Fulg0reSama]

We are willing to answer questions, Just please ask sensible ones... Or contribute towards what you'd like to see on the server. I mean if it's not dead obvious already you guys don't really like us, But wouldn't you like to be able to have a say in a way to make N-Pulse at least in your eyes tolerable? I mean we're not your enemies here, we want your input and help with it in any way that's beneficial.

"How will you make the new players feel welcomed to the server and willing to play?" "Will there be super awesome fun toys n stuff?" Anything just help us make N-Pulse more fun or ask any questions that you wish to ask.

tl;dr: We are only asking for your contributions through ideas and or questions about the new update that's on the way. Was all of this truly necessary?

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama

Your facts..? You are more like a bandwagon nobody with N-Pulse facts. Because clearly circular logic will make you right eventually with your "facts".

The gmap being broken and absent of insides is an opinion?

[SlikRick]

Apparently specifics are too much to ask for. Gmap breaking. What issues are you having with it? Specific details. How are we supposed to fix things that you are having issues with when you do not clearly state them? Your response seems to clearly get others going and to try and get under my staff's skin.

[Fulg0reSama]

Going to ignore you since you're just being pretty immature. If you want to clash wits and such, Do that in forum pm with me instead of spamming.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by kia345

The PWA should be eying servers like UN and Zodiac with mediocre development and silly staff circles/constantly rotating management, being quality control and helping nudge the big(ish) playercount servers in the right direction, not picking on heavily developed and anticipated servers.

I'll give you mediocre development but Zodiac doesn't have "silly staff circles" or "constantly rotating management". They've also recently hired GATs to re-do crappy graphics one step at a time. Low level armor/swords have been sexified.

[6Burning6Church6]

So I got halfway through page 2 before deciding to type.

First off, as Cloven already stated Delteria had requested to be taken off of the Classic tab prior to the PWA's finally deciding to do so, although there were threats that it would happen soon. These threats were actually what got the management thinking about it actually being a good idea, whether or not the PWA would go through with taking Delteria down had management not requested I don't know. Honestly last I heard the PWA didn't exactly have as much power as everybody thinks and it is really ultimately up to Stefan to approve somebody going on or off of the classic tab.

With that said let me address the topic at hand. Should N-Pulse be taken off the classic tab? I honestly think no server should be taken off of the classic tab unless there is AT LEAST one server that is on par with or better than the server being taken down. The exception to this should only be upon request from said servers manager requesting that they go under construction. Why? Well look at how few servers we have on the classic tab nowadays why would you as a player want this number to fall even lower?

Do I think it is messed up that TSA is sitting there spouting a bunch of nonsensical bull**** about Delteria and it's development? Yeah I do, but the fact is he's wrong, Delteria's progress is coming along nicely, and though it has had some delays and backpedaling in development I personally think it is not only more promising than "Rebirth" but it is also still actually under development. TSA is being quite a hypocrite here, and I don't see how his fellow graalonline staff are condoning him being obviously hypocritical and biased in public conversations about how and why the PWA will enforce their rules, even if he is pulling facts out of nowhere. His claims simply have no standing and make no sense.

What I suggest you Player World Administrators do is create a thread on your private boards and discuss how you will deal with situations like this. I suggest you make it a point to not play obvious favorites. Whether it be a made up tale of fiction like TSA's story, or a true fact, you should not say in the same thread how one server will stay active to try to promote development during it's personal downtime, while another server was taken off of classic because of a lull in development. You should also discuss the slander. There is much negative speak about Delteria's development coming from TSA here, as I recall he has always had negative things to say about Delteria. Be it a personal problem, or him just going with the flow of other naysayers I think that he should bite his tongue before making false, or any negative, statements about the development status of any server.

Maybe you don't care about anything but iphone content, however, all of your development whether it be transitioning into a more iphone friendly platform or improving pc style game play we are your bread and butter when it comes to development. N-Pulse, Delteria, Unholy Nation, Zodiac, and Era hold the bulk of your best development teams, and all of these people are willing to work for you FOR FREE. Why don't you try playing ****ing nice for once instead of chasing even more people away.

Glad to see you PWA's still act like the damn Gestapo. I can't wait till the next gen finally shows up, I'm sick of your regime. ****ing Nemesis was better than you hypocritical nonsensical idiots. (Bell, you've actually been pretty fair when I've dealt with you, but you're co workers never cease to amaze me in their ignorance)


edit: I'd also like to point out that broken content is a very bad thing, and even Delteria, having no players to please, consistently went through and fixed any broken content that was ever reported to them. Broken content is probably the worst thing that a server on the Classic tab could have. Although I think if the management of the server doesn't address this issue the PWA's should have a discussion with the GDT and have this attended to. However, I've never actually seen any single global staff team work together properly, so it is kind of a stretch to imagine that you could get 2 teams to work together. XD

[Demisis_P2P]

I'd hate to see how much you would have typed if you read the other half of the thread as well.

[6Burning6Church6]

I have wall of text syndrome. D:

[Fulg0reSama]

Surprisingly I didn't collapse from reading that wall. You've made very strong points chance. You said a lot of things I had in mind and even more things I had not even thought of. This is the kind of feedback and opinions this forum needs more of. +rep to you sir. I agree broken content is obviously a bad thing. Which is why we're doing what we have in our power to fix this, But I really hope you guys understand it isn't completely all in our power, Our gserver probably drops connecting to NC more than your whole neighborhood would in a violent thunderstorm combined. (You must imagine that is pretty nasty) and this is only to bring up for things such as for certain gmap related issues.

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by 6Burning6Church6

With that said let me address the topic at hand. Should N-Pulse be taken off the classic tab? I honestly think no server should be taken off of the classic tab unless there is AT LEAST one server that is on par with or better than the server being taken down. The exception to this should only be upon request from said servers manager requesting that they go under construction. Why? Well look at how few servers we have on the classic tab nowadays why would you as a player want this number to fall even lower?

That also kept in mind, there have been multiple unanswered posts that pretty much tell you that UN is "on par or better". I still refuse to state any course of action as fact until it has been fully discussed among the PWA, but at least by your stated parameters for removing a Classic server, N-Pulse would have been removed long ago as there is a server "on par with it or doing better than the server being taken down".

Originally Posted by 6Burning6Church6

Do I think it is messed up that TSA is sitting there spouting a bunch of nonsensical bull**** about Delteria and it's development? Yeah I do, but the fact is he's wrong, Delteria's progress is coming along nicely, and though it has had some delays and backpedaling in development I personally think it is not only more promising than "Rebirth" but it is also still actually under development. TSA is being quite a hypocrite here, and I don't see how his fellow graalonline staff are condoning him being obviously hypocritical and biased in public conversations about how and why the PWA will enforce their rules, even if he is pulling facts out of nowhere. His claims simply have no standing and make no sense.

I'd like to take this point in time to show you something:



I'm sure you've been on forums long enough to know that the little arrow indicates if you have posted in the thread listed. That said, when I made my posts in this thread, information I provided came from that thread in which I did not participate at the time for one reason or another. Keeping that in mind, if you feel the information I provided here was "nonsensical bull****", that is no fault of my own - don't shoot (or slander as the case may be) the messenger.

Originally Posted by 6Burning6Church6

There is much negative speak about Delteria's development coming from TSA here, as I recall he has always had negative things to say about Delteria. Be it a personal problem, or him just going with the flow of other naysayers I think that he should bite his tongue before making false, or any negative, statements about the development status of any server.

I haven't said a negative word about Delteria and have no personal feelings toward it either. What are you talking about? I have nothing against Delteria and I resent the implication that "he has always had negative things to say about Delteria". Present these, or assume you're mistaking me with someone else (Possibly HoudiniMan, I remember he wasn't too fond of Delteria even existing).

Originally Posted by 6Burning6Church6

Maybe you don't care about anything but iphone content, however, all of your development whether it be transitioning into a more iphone friendly platform or improving pc style game play we are your bread and butter when it comes to development. N-Pulse, Delteria, Unholy Nation, Zodiac, and Era hold the bulk of your best development teams, and all of these people are willing to work for you FOR FREE. Why don't you try playing ****ing nice for once instead of chasing even more people away.

The PWA have no standing on the iPhone server so it's none of our concern - thus doesn't take up any of our mind space. You seem to be getting rather carried away by this point in your post.

Originally Posted by 6Burning6Church6

Glad to see you PWA's still act like the damn Gestapo. I can't wait till the next gen finally shows up, I'm sick of your regime. ****ing Nemesis was better than you hypocritical nonsensical idiots. (Bell, you've actually been pretty fair when I've dealt with you, but you're co workers never cease to amaze me in their ignorance)

This will just get your post edited/deleted. You say in the previous paragraph "try playing ****ing nice" and further back call us hypocrites? I don't need to spell out what's wrong with this picture.

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

I'd hate to see how much you would have typed if you read the other half of the thread as well.

I really wish he had read the rest. After the tongue lashing he just put my name through, I sure as heck know the feeling of standing up with only half the facts (allegedly).

[salesman]

I really don't feel like reading everything in this thread, but in my opinion, an incomplete or unplayable server should not be on the server list. (having a steady player-count of zero falls into the "unplayable" category)

Although if it is removed from the list, it should remain classic-enabled so that the staff can continue to work on it.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by SlikRick

Apparently specifics are too much to ask for. Gmap breaking. What issues are you having with it? Specific details. How are we supposed to fix things that you are having issues with when you do not clearly state them? Your response seems to clearly get others going and to try and get under my staff's skin.

I don't believe that you are not aware of the issues, considering it took the grand total of 5 minutes for my map to break and it has been like this for years.

[Cloven]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

I haven't said a negative word about Delteria and have no personal feelings toward it either. What are you talking about? I have nothing against Delteria and I resent the implication that "he has always had negative things to say about Delteria". Present these, or assume you're mistaking me with someone else (Possibly HoudiniMan, I remember he wasn't too fond of Delteria even existing).

Chance is just emotionally attached to Delteria, as a few of us who have been there for nearly ten years are. I am happy to clear up the perception of your 'hatred' for Delteria: You and I have had multiple conversations about Delteria, TSA, and I can say that I'm certain you don't wish us any ill will.

Regarding Houdini's feelings you speak of, that was in the past, and there was bad blood for a while because Houdini was fired from Delteria a long time ago. Those feelings were cleared up before he quit his PWA position, however, and he and I used to talk frequently. Houdini even asked me multiple times to manage UN along with Delteria because he was sick of UN's common ineptitude -- so I'm definitely sure any malicious feelings he may have had were long-since faded.

This thread is not really the place to complain about how Delteria has received the short end of the stick over the years even though that may be true in the grand scheme of things. I am sure you guys will decided whatever you decide regarding N-Pulse's classic status, though it would seem the decision in this instance is rather obvious.

In any event, I wish everyone the best of luck, and ultimately I hope people in general are able to start acting in the best interest of the Graal community.. as that is what is currently lacking the most (from the server-level up to the CJ administration).