Black and white should NOT be transparent

cbk1994 · #1 06-30-2010, 12:36 AM

Requesting server option:

realtransparency=true - makes pure black and white not act as transparency in images

Both of the image formats that are used for Graal primarily (PNG and GIF) support transparency. WHY are black and white still used as transparency?

And for some reason, not only is pure black transparent, but so are colors near pure black (when in full screen mode and on some computers).

Even exporting as a 24-bit PNG with transparency does not work.

DustyPorViva · #2 06-30-2010, 12:38 AM

I keep complaining about this

I also experienced the near-black and near-white bugs in fullscreen as well.

Loriel · #3 06-30-2010, 12:59 AM

Hahaha, is this seriously still in the current version

ffcmike · #4 06-30-2010, 01:14 AM

I agree, it's annoying when heads that appear to be transparent are uploaded are then glitched on the playerlist as a result of this method being used.

Fulg0reSama · #5 06-30-2010, 01:20 AM

This **** happens to the redreaper heads in windowed mode even.

fowlplay4 · #6 06-30-2010, 03:38 AM

I wish things weren't so black and white.

Hiro · #7 06-30-2010, 03:51 AM

graal is perfect how dare you guys say it isn't!!!

Fulg0reSama · #8 06-30-2010, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4

I wish things weren't so black and white.

Not everything is Black and White, Look straight in there middle and you'll see gray which is the best of both worlds.

Crow · #9 06-30-2010, 11:57 AM

This **** is sooo 1998.

Dnegel · #10 06-30-2010, 01:36 PM

This have happened too me so many times that I can't explain it, and I agree with you that it shouldn't become transparent.

Jiroxys7 · #11 06-30-2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Crow

This **** is sooo 1998.

Like, totally.

Shards-Of-Fate · #12 06-30-2010, 06:29 PM

I've always used green in graphics without green, darkblue in graphics without blue, and yellow whenever at all possible, to annoy those opening my graphics XD

I could see white, sure, But who would use black? :/

cbk1994 · #13 06-30-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Shards-Of-Fate

I've always used green in graphics without green, darkblue in graphics without blue, and yellow whenever at all possible, to annoy those opening my graphics XD

I could see white, sure, But who would use black? :/

We're talking actual black, not index transparency. Using actual black, regardless of the color you're using for transparency (if you're even using index transparency, which is usually a bad idea), is transparent. The same goes for white.

Liberated · #14 06-30-2010, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

We're talking actual black, not index transparency. Using actual black, regardless of the color you're using for transparency (if you're even using index transparency, which is usually a bad idea), is transparent. The same goes for white.

yes, and although i've learned not to use pure white for highlights, i still use pure black standard for outlines, and it's pretty annoying to suddenly see your graphics without outline.

12171217 · #15 06-30-2010, 07:24 PM

Make your graphics, brightness filter - 2, brightness filter + 1, your graphic will no longer have any completely white or completely black pixels ;O

The "when it's near" probably results from 16-bit fullscreen mode.

nullify · #16 06-30-2010, 11:31 PM

Every problem you guys are experiencing/will ever experience with Graal will be fixed in V6!

Jiroxys7 · #17 07-01-2010, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by nullify

Every problem you guys are experiencing/will ever experience with Graal will be fixed in V6!

I'm having problems buying a Lifetime Classic subscription!

Loriel · #18 07-01-2010, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nullify

Every problem you guys are experiencing/will ever experience with Graal will be fixed in V6!

What, is Stefan programming a team of competent forum moderators into V6 to assist Skyld?

Admins · #19 07-01-2010, 07:07 PM

Are we talking about v6 here?

Liberated · #20 07-01-2010, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Are we talking about v6 here?

preferably fixed right away i'd say, but i guess it being fixed in v6 would already be cool.

cbk1994 · #21 07-01-2010, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Are we talking about v6 here?

If black/white are still treated as transparent in v6, then yes. Some image with near-black worked fine on my computer (Mac v6) but was showing as transparent for some Windows v5 users. I haven't tested it on Windows v6.

DustyPorViva · #22 07-01-2010, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Are we talking about v6 here?

v6 apparently even renders black and whites on tilesets, including pics1, transparent. I noticed on UN that things like the black rock were shading the blacks with the grass instead of the actual colors.

-Ramirez- · #23 07-01-2010, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Loriel

Hahaha, is this seriously still in the current version

^^^^^^

benpoke103 · #24 07-02-2010, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by -Ramirez-

^^^^^^

You're still here?!

Luda · #25 07-02-2010, 02:14 AM

Can you also make brown, brown.

Admins · #26 07-02-2010, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

v6 apparently even renders black and whites on tilesets, including pics1, transparent. I noticed on UN that things like the black rock were shading the blacks with the grass instead of the actual colors.

pics1.png has a transparent color and is actually rendered correctly now. (We) might need to update it.

About special transparency: When a palettized image is using transparency then all palette entries which use an identical color will also be made transparent. The reason for that is that in <=v5 on Windows it was using color-key transparency. Hundreds of heads and body graphics are using this transparency which makes it necessary to support it. There is however no black or white transparency, and no special transparency for 24 or 32 bit pngs.