The problem with ignoring "unintentional" laggers.

[Door]

Why are there rules against hackers? The majority of hackers are not using their hacks to actively disadvantage every other player; they are using their hacks to actively advantage their player. That is exactly what lag does.

If a person encountered a glitch on a server that allowed their player to have an advantage over other players (unlimited ammo/money, extra items, being a little faster, etc.), then this glitch would be corrected. Or at least I would hope it would. But.. but why? That's not fair to the player. He found the glitch fair and square!! He didn't do anything wrong, so why should his advantage be taken away? Because it's unfair to everyone else.

The fact that lag offers an advantage over other players is a glitch in Graal, and it needs to be fixed.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Door

Why are there rules against hackers? The majority of hackers are not using their hacks to actively disadvantage every other player; they are using their hacks to actively advantage their player.

...what? Graal and other online games are built around competition. By giving themselves unfair advantages they are removing an advantage from others.

And yes, lag can give players an unfair advantage, but the difference between lagging and hacking is that laggers have no control over their lag. Is it really so hard to understand that? Sure, there are people who take advantage of their lag, or even purposefully lag, but there are also honest people with poor connections who would be locked out of a game they paid for.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

By giving themselves unfair advantages they are removing an advantage from others.

Perfect logic right here folks. How come Era kicks laggy players? You never responded.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Perfect logic right here folks.

as a matter of fact, it is.

If you weren't retarded you'd be able to tell that sparring is a zero sum game. alas

[Door]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

...what? Graal and other online games are built around competition. By giving themselves unfair advantages they are removing an advantage from others.

And yes, lag can give players an unfair advantage

okay.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Door

okay.

What's your point? Would you penalize players with better computers because they have an advantage over those with slower ones?

[kia345]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

You would penalize players with better computers?

Would you offer an advantage to people with slower computers?

"hey bro, ur connection is bad. here, u play these events. u'll win. dese other ppl who love to play? who also spent money? screw equality bro, u win"

[Door]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

What's your point? Would you penalize players with better computers because they have an advantage over those with slower ones?

No, because they are playing Graal in the way it was meant to be played, and they make up 97% of the population.

More importantly, however, let me call you out on downright ignoring Rufus when he asked you an extremely pertinent question:

Originally Posted by Rufus

How come Era kicks laggy players? You never responded.

Maybe I should go play Era. Seems like they have the right idea there.

[cbk1994]

Originally Posted by Door

More importantly, however, let me call you out on downright ignoring Rufus when he asked you an extremely pertinent question

I already answered his "extremely pertinent question":

Originally Posted by cbk1994

I'm not saying be unreasonable -- if someone is warping all over the place, go ahead and kick them. Arbitrary limits on ping, like the OP seems to be suggesting, are just unfair. If it's that much of a problem, use serverside hit detection.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

I already answered his "extremely pertinent question":

Why are they kicked?

[kia345]

Originally Posted by cbk1994

Sure, there are people who take advantage of their lag, or even purposefully lag, but there are also honest people with poor connections who would be locked out of a game they paid for.

So if I hack to help people, it's okay? As long as I'm not using it for an unfair advantage?