i've been trying not to post in this thread, but now i'm going too because -dammit- **** needs to be said
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Originally Posted by Sam
Does it mean the focus of Graal is to make it completely a development platform, where players can test for money the skills of the different develop teams?
It's sad that there is no information what will happen with the Goldservers, if it's planned to let them die or if they will become interesting for (new)players.
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graal is a development platform according to CJ. you buy the rights to the engine/scripts/default GFX/server space/controls and you develop things. that's the only way that CJ appears to see the game; the updates are for developers, the promises are for developers, the focus is completely on developers. these developers, in turn, are supposed to run the entire game for CJ as they focus on more updates for them to use. all the global teams are various "developers" from different areas of overall development pulled together, and if they are not running the game as a whole then basically no one is
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Originally Posted by Brad
Okay heres my two cents:
I left graal the client for probably the last 4 years. I left the forums about 3 years ago. In these 3-4 years of being on hiatus I return. I return to find NOTHING different. The only thing different I've seen is that all of my friends are gone. UN continues to bring in the numbers simply because they hold regular events, have idiots/cool people, and have things to do. Those three reasons are what made 2k1 good, and in a bunch of our eyes, the best server ever. So heres what I'm getting at.. release something decent, whoever the new clown is that is running 2k1 DO SOMETHING, or watch as playerworlds die and iphone graal becomes the ONLY graal.
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there has been significant changes which started to appear around the time you left. the change being from focusing on players to focusing on developers. if my memory serves me correctly, stefan personally ran 2k1 and classic when they first came out, and was taking head-on the responsibilities of being server staff. that won't happen anymore, because that's not stefan's job anymore. it's our (read developers) job to run the servers, create the updates, and make players interested: not CJs. the iphone comes very close to being a focus on players, but it's slightly different being on a different medium and being run by globals (xor is manager is he not?)
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Originally Posted by Crono
Like I told you ingame, even classic iphone players are logging onto Graal and going "wow this sucks, we're going back to classic iphone". We've all witnessed this on UN etc. What is there to advertise? Ya let's advertise Zodiac, Era, and UN, because they all totally have quality content to show non-Graalians.
You know what my two closest buddies (I wouldn't dare show anyone else) did when I showed them these three servers? They laughed. Hard. And I completely agree with their notion.
Advertising is good, but only once there's something to advertise. Advertising development isn't enough. Look at the majority of the people on Graal. They're playing it.
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and this is exactly the conflict which has become so evident to anyone who still regulars graal and gets on the client. the ratio of player:developer has to be at least 20:1, if not bigger. what has happened is that instead of focusing on the larger populous of the graal community as a whole, the focus has been solely on developers, and it's been going on for years. in theory, this focus should produce more content: the developers, who have the support they need, should be able to pump out awesome content that they want to create and give it to the players. of course, utopia is also a good idea in theory
the fact is, no matter how much you want to dress them up and give them titles and give them global rights and tags and free gold gralats, developers are STILL JUST PLAYERS. they still play the game and interact with the community, which is the core of what graal offers you. whether a player decides he's going to spar, or PK, or develop, or talk to other people who come online: they are still a player on the game run by CJ
the only people within this community who are not players, is (basically) stefan and unixmad. among anyone who has ever been apart of the graal community, the only people who are not players have to be stefan and unixmad, and the sole responsibility for running this game falls under the staff, not the players. only stefan could start making a new server and make is successful at this point, and it's not because i don't have faith in the developers within the community, but because i know for a fact that, if this was decided upon by stefan, it would actually happen (or at least have the highest assumptive success rate). the two highest populated moments in graal's history have been when stefan personally made/ran a server, and there shouldn't be any doubt that this correlation is related to graal's current status as a dying, crappy, unmentionable game to your friends that you have to hide like fetish porn
but, i've been told this many times, that it's up to us. that we're the problem for not making the new server ourselves. that stefan is doing more "important" things than making new content for graal. this is the same story that minorities are told when being discriminated against: they give them a badge of inferiority and told that THEY are the ones holding themselves back and are allowing themselves to feel discriminated against. it's a long stretch in many ways, but telling players that we're the problem for the lack of a good game that could potentially be advertised just doesn't fly with me: and oh, while we players are out creating the content to save graal, we also have to pay to do so
the problem and solution seem quite obvious. the action seems very distant
04-03-2010, 01:57 PM
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