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Old 03-07-2010, 01:18 AM
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How do new players without a good gear win, knowing they can hardly level ?
Seriously, I can only see a few names winning that kind of event:
You, Kale, PoJo, Sky, Cell, Storm, Craigus, Naith, Felix, Jcs, Romain, Chaosorc, and all the lv 110 nolives still active.

Not to say its a bad idea, but I can't see the opportunity here for new players or even mid-experienced.

The leveling system seriously needs to be revised.
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The leveling system seriously needs to be revised.
The items need to be revised, that's where the problem is. I don't mind grinding for a thousand years. I do have issues with a default set of items you're expected to have to go bmode.
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Old 03-29-2010, 06:04 PM
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How do new players without a good gear win, knowing they can hardly level ?
Seriously, I can only see a few names winning that kind of event:
You, Kale, PoJo, Sky, Cell, Storm, Craigus, Naith, Felix, Jcs, Romain, Chaosorc, and all the lv 110 nolives still active.

Not to say its a bad idea, but I can't see the opportunity here for new players or even mid-experienced.

The leveling system seriously needs to be revised.
ur so full of urselfe here, if you took some time into leveling phy like i did you would be 107 phy to, it aint hard at all it does not take long at all, i got my phy from the zombies and halloween haunted house, that did not take me very long, its becouse you idle the time i level, doesent make me any more nolive then you are urselfe to

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Old 03-29-2010, 06:38 PM
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How do new players without a good gear win, knowing they can hardly level ?
Seriously, I can only see a few names winning that kind of event:
You, Kale, PoJo, Sky, Cell, Storm, Craigus, Naith, Felix, Jcs, Romain, Chaosorc, and all the lv 110 nolives still active.

Not to say its a bad idea, but I can't see the opportunity here for new players or even mid-experienced.

The leveling system seriously needs to be revised.
I agree completly!

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ur so full of urselfe here, if you took some time into leveling phy like i did you would be 107 phy to, it aint hard at all it does not take long at all, i got my phy from the zombies and halloween haunted house, that did not take me very long, its becouse you idle the time i level, doesent make me any more nolive then you are urselfe to

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Do yourself a favor and test it (if you have the money).
I have another account around level 35. I renewed it and was trying to improve, but it's not worth it, because it takes ages.
The game mechanisms changed as the economics did.
People lose interest if they don't have a sense of achievement.
And to buy items for money to get stronger is only acceptable if it's made by the game owners, not by other players.
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Old 03-29-2010, 07:55 PM
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Do yourself a favor and test it (if you have the money).
I have another account around level 35. I renewed it and was trying to improve, but it's not worth it, because it takes ages.
The game mechanisms changed as the economics did.
People lose interest if they don't have a sense of achievement.
And to buy items for money to get stronger is only acceptable if it's made by the game owners, not by other players.
money? like i said i leveled myselfe till 107phy just at halloween, all you need is some decent ac not to get hit and you can even put eas on crafted gear and you would still do good, for the brutals and other maps thats now harder to get becouse there so expencive now, you people only make it harder for urself, why don't you take a week vacantion and focus on leveling? instead of doing it breefly from time to time. no then you dont see much progress... so what im saying, you cannot blame other people for something you need to work for urselfe, its just wrong what Soala said, he should not talk bad to other people becouse hes to lazy to work for it himself
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Old 04-01-2010, 01:09 AM
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all you need is some decent ac not to get hit
The basis of your argument for levelling being "easy" is dedicating time to it instead of idling. I agree there, but the methods you claim we should use are flawed.

Killing Zombies to farm physique experience is a completely unrealistic suggestion for someone below level 50 physique (and even then it's hardly what I'd call easy). How do you suggest, short of leaching experience from someone else, I obtain the massive amount of experience needed to reach level 107 physique? I'd also like to note that my -71 AC is frequently broken by Zombies, which is something that a newer player would have no hope of (fairly) reaching in GK's current economy.

Brutals have been lowered in droprate (I used 200 destruction scrolls and spawned one Brutal) and the Zombies experience has been nerfed. Keep these things in mind when you reply.
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Old 04-01-2010, 01:39 AM
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How do you suggest, short of leaching experience from someone else, I obtain the massive amount of experience needed to reach level 107 physique?
As much as I am aware there are only a few people who have 107 physique in the history of Graal Kingdoms. level one-hundred-anything isn't supposed to be easy, it's functionally an end game.
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How do new players without a good gear win, knowing they can hardly level ?
Seriously, I can only see a few names winning that kind of event:
You, Kale, PoJo, Sky, Cell, Storm, Craigus, Naith, Felix, Jcs, Romain, Chaosorc, and all the lv 110 nolives still active.
You are allowing some simplistic functions of perception limit your understanding.

That list used to be very different; in a few months I can say this again.
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I also don't like the way some respectable person who is the Admin of the GDT is starting random trouble with players.
This could be another simplistic perceptual fallacy.
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Old 04-01-2010, 02:49 AM
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The basis of your argument for levelling being "easy" is dedicating time to it instead of idling. I agree there, but the methods you claim we should use are flawed.

Killing Zombies to farm physique experience is a completely unrealistic suggestion for someone below level 50 physique (and even then it's hardly what I'd call easy). How do you suggest, short of leaching experience from someone else, I obtain the massive amount of experience needed to reach level 107 physique? I'd also like to note that my -71 AC is frequently broken by Zombies, which is something that a newer player would have no hope of (fairly) reaching in GK's current economy.

Brutals have been lowered in droprate (I used 200 destruction scrolls and spawned one Brutal) and the Zombies experience has been nerfed. Keep these things in mind when you reply.
I think some people really can't see the big picture as it stands right now. In a year leveling has had many changes, the increase of experience in brutal maps, lord changes, re-launch of crypt, introduction of zombies and others. But in summary, all these changes together have been quite terrible.

Yes Graal Kingdoms is a grinding game, but why begin the grind so early on? It should be expected late game when people are hitting the 90's, but it's been made hard to level even at level 10-40. Lord changes have meant they are no longer viable to be relied upon to level, something they were commonly used for. I myself remember running around, grinding levels on lords from level 10-25 until i moved onto immense maps. Immenses have stayed unchanged so their purpose for level 20-40 leveling has been maintained. However that's pretty much the only cruising time (apart from 1-10) new/young players will get. From then on it's brutal maps.

Brutals have had a shockingly terrible effect on GK in the last year. Forced inflation due to greedy, impatient players; A lowering of the drop rate which only sustained the current premium price (30 diamonds per brutal map - Note 30diamonds is 7,500 diamonds which is 15diamonds in old dia value so it's stayed relatively the same, although slightly reduced, as when we saw forced sales of 16-20diamonds) and actually justified that price when compared to the previous fair standard of 2,500 plat or 5diamonds at the time. Zombies offered some relief at the immense cost of brutal leveling but that's no longer the case.

Perhaps cell is correct in pointing out we have a lazy player base who'd rather idle in the trade house than actively play the game. If we all were more active, we would have capitalized on the healthy experience rewards of zombies during the Halloween and even winter period. But it's true that zombies have been cut in experience. At level 68 phys i receive 1.1k per zombie. That's about 1500-600 zombies for 1 level, which would take hours. It doesn't bother me since i don't level, but i can imagine it's a daunting thought for those wishing to level. And as you pointed out AC (EA rate is down along with IWD's) and phys play a major role in fighting zombies. It really is baffling how something which seems to be designed for level 55/60+ players because obsolete to immense maps at just 5/10 levels into them...

So, when you consider not many are wealthy enough to afford such a habit as brutal's are there's relatively no hope of escaping the immense map grind from level 20/25. Many do forget immense maps are 10x cheaper and offer 1/2 the experience. They're also finished very quickly once you can bile monsters. But it really isn't that great of a thing for there to be only one viable source of solo leveling out there from level 20/25.

Crypt has helped, but noobs still need high level helpers, who can only do crypt once every 24 hours. At where i'm at, it would take a week of solid crypting to get me one level. Working at that pace, it would take atleast 39 weeks, providing exp stayed the same (which it doesn't) and experience required to level stayed the same (which it doesn't).

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How do new players without a good gear win, knowing they can hardly level ?
Seriously, I can only see a few names winning that kind of event:
You, Kale, PoJo, Sky, Cell, Storm, Craigus, Naith, Felix, Jcs, Romain, Chaosorc, and all the lv 110 nolives still active.
We should stop quoting this, he was mistaken and his comments addressed.
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Old 04-01-2010, 11:19 AM
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The basis of your argument for levelling being "easy" is dedicating time to it instead of idling. I agree there, but the methods you claim we should use are flawed.

Killing Zombies to farm physique experience is a completely unrealistic suggestion for someone below level 50 physique (and even then it's hardly what I'd call easy).
I am lvl. 81 phys. and it's hard and a long way to kill a Zombie for me.
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