It's been said probably a thousand times... - Page 2

Tigairius · #41 11-19-2009, 09:28 PM

Just to point it out there:

I highly recommend no one take KrimsonSky up on his offer until the software has been revealed. It is possibly a trojan that could infect your computer because none of the avid Graal developers have heard of such a tool, and if there were such a tool, it would have been revealed by now.

KrimsonSky · #42 11-19-2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

Just to point it out there:

[B] because none of the avid Graal developers have heard of such a tool, and if there were such a tool, it would have been revealed by now.

Never said it was a tool :3

Its a program that HAS the Graal tools, to make your own OFFLINE server.

So before you start bashing me, consult with me first. tyvm

KrimsonSky · #43 11-19-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cyan3

Alright, what is this software called?

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PM me for more info.

There is a reason for that.

cbk1994 · #44 11-19-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KrimsonSky

Never said it was a tool :3

Its a program that HAS the Graal tools, to make your own OFFLINE server.

So before you start bashing me, consult with me first. tyvm

Graal Reborn doesn't support GS2

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Tigairius · #45 11-19-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KrimsonSky

Never said it was a tool :3

Its a program that HAS the Graal tools, to make your own OFFLINE server.

So before you start bashing me, consult with me first. tyvm

What you're thinking of doesn't support GS2.

KrimsonSky · #46 11-20-2009, 05:15 AM

Then why am I able to have made my own little 'personal' "Era" Type server ? I'm telling you , this is the same as making a server, just no one else can access it =/ I have been using it for awhile now... I will make a video later tonight to show you guys ..

Imperialistic · #47 11-20-2009, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by KrimsonSky

Then why am I able to have made my own little 'personal' "Era" Type server ? I'm telling you , this is the same as making a server, just no one else can access it =/ I have been using it for awhile now... I will make a video later tonight to show you guys ..

GS1 != GS2

I highly doubt any program will be able show you the feedback on your script, if it's not based on GraalScript which IS a GraalOnline language.

sssssssssss · #48 11-20-2009, 05:28 AM

Lol, video? Just say the program name, there's no rule against someone making a program that goes along with graal to better the game. Especially when it's not effecting anything online at all, and only offline use.

Doubt it's true, and youre the only person out of how many that have played graal in the last 2 years that knows about this "special" program? Gimme a break.

cbk1994 · #49 11-20-2009, 05:32 AM

Krimson clearly is either:

Making stuff up, or
has no idea what he's talking about.

Actually, ignore that. Why couldn't he have a program that lets him create entire servers in GS2, even though not a single other person has ever heard of it

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salesman · #50 11-20-2009, 05:40 AM

I have heard of it.
lol

fowlplay4 · #51 11-20-2009, 05:43 AM

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I have heard of it.

Yeah me too, why are they so out of the loop?

Personally I always had a feeling that if you used a memory editor to change your level in the Graal client with GS2 before they tossed out the offline component, that you'd be able to run GS2 but I imagine there's a reason why it's not true.

KrimsonSky · #52 11-20-2009, 11:12 PM

Hey, I was just trying to help you guys out & all. But everyones like "oh, since I haven't heard of it, It's not true" give me a break >=[. I offered to send the html to though who were curious.

fowlplay4 · #53 11-20-2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KrimsonSky

Hey, I was just trying to help you guys out & all. But everyones like "oh, since I haven't heard of it, It's not true" give me a break >=[. I offered to send the html to though who were curious.

I sent you a PM, you failed to deliver.

sssssssssss · #54 11-21-2009, 07:02 AM

We're all curious dude, just post it.

sssssssssss · #55 11-24-2009, 06:05 AM

exactly....

Draenin · #56 11-24-2009, 11:13 PM

I don't understand why testing for GS2 is impossible to do offline when it's very possible to test GS1 instead.

If Graal's level editor can run GS1 without without needing a server to interact with, why couldn't it be updated to do the same with GS2?

Stefan, you say security issues arise with that, but if you're aware of what those issues are, why can't they be patched up before releasing a new official version of the editor?

Dnegel · #57 11-24-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

I don't understand why testing for GS2 is impossible to do offline when it's very possible to test GS1 instead.

If Graal's level editor can run GS1 without without needing a server to interact with, why couldn't it be updated to do the same with GS2?

Stefan, you say security issues arise with that, but if you're aware of what those issues are, why can't they be patched up before releasing a new official version of the editor?

I agree, GS2 should be in the Offline Level Editor, would help many people.

cbk1994 · #58 11-24-2009, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dnegel

would help many people

Not really. All it would be useful for are things like light effects, past that, everything else is either going to be pointless to test in the level editor, or require an NPC-server.

WhiteDragon · #59 11-25-2009, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

Not really. All it would be useful for are things like light effects, past that, everything else is either going to be pointless to test in the level editor, or require an NPC-server.

A major benefit of the level editor was that people could be introduced to GS, which prepped them for becoming staff on a server.

However, GS is now worthless, and we no longer have a substitute tool to introduce people to GS2.

I can see a lot of people not even bothering trying to "become a scripter" on a server to learn, because there is such a large wall in the way.
It's much more fun and encouraging if you can just start typing code.

Dnegel · #60 11-25-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

Not really. All it would be useful for are things like light effects, past that, everything else is either going to be pointless to test in the level editor, or require an NPC-server.

Maybe, but still... People wants many options when they dev, so they can create much interesting stuff. And yes it may not be that important, but it been nice to have if a server was down.

sssssssssss · #61 11-26-2009, 01:46 AM

Also, as I stated before, there are a LOT more lats on graal than anything else, developers that would need only

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... things like light effects...

Granted, you can go much farther with latting, but someone who could even make all the levels for a server offline, in it's simplicity, then upload them after purchasing a server, would probably like this. It also causes problems with things like tileset changes offline while making levels, some lats forget to take out that gs1 coding, then the nats and higher have to go through levels to make sure theyre out. Can be quite annoying after a while. And I know a response would be make sure they take them out, but like I said, people forget.

Also, as stated above, I would love to experiment with lights and such offline, in downtime, without having to connect to Armageddon and upload, keep trying it out, reupload, ect.

Its logical to have gs2 offline. period.

cbk1994 · #62 11-26-2009, 02:14 AM

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Its logical to have gs2 offline. period.

Logic is not definite. It depends on how you look at it.

There is no point in making GS2 work offline, from either my perspective, or even Stefan's perspective.

From mine: There are major problems with Graal, including the scripting engine and client, and I'd rather see those fixed than see a rarely-used feature be added that benefits a minority of people in a small way.

From Stefan's perspective: My time is better spent updating Graal since the players already have access to the Testbed server for learning to script, which even allows NPC-server usage. Plus,

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someone [...] could even make all the levels for a server offline [...] then upload them after purchasing a server

, which causes me to lose money.

Granted, there are valid arguments, which you've pointed out, for why GS2 should work offline. However, there are equally as valid counterarguments, such as time would be better spent simply adding a server option to disable GS1 entirely, which has been suggested many times before.

sssssssssss · #63 11-26-2009, 02:55 AM

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than see a rarely-used feature be added that benefits a minority of people in a small way.

Really? so there must not be any player houses, guild houses, player submitted levels, ect, that arn't staff and have access to a server since gs2 came out, eh? It's by far rarely used, you need to think a bit more first.

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From Stefan's perspective: My time is better spent updating Graal since the players already have access to the Testbed server for learning to script, which even allows NPC-server usage. Plus,

This has been brough up early in the post already, but for your convience I will quote all the people who have problems with testbed. I still have yet to have chompy or someone reset My IP to get back on it, from like 4 months ago...

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I find the testbed more of a substitute solution to a bigger problem.

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Man, I'll get on testbed right now!
Oh wait, I can't, servers are down...
Hence the reason it would be nice for the offline editor to work with gs2.

Also, it took me almost 2-3 weeks to even get access to testbed. Another reason offline gs2 would be nice.

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The problem is that you won't know about the Testbed Server unless someone tells you. It's not advertised at all...it should be under the Hosted tab imo

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When ever i send tig an aim he never responds :/

And all those above are JUST from this thread, can't imagine how many other people have problems with it.

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which causes me to lose money.

That's just low and pathetic that that would even be said where we, the people who pay for this stuff, are looking. If money is the issue, its completely inappropriate and unprofessional, should be at least a tiny bit professional if you are "making money" off this, and should be worried about what the "customer" is wanting, not what staff does and doesn't feel like doing. Gee, I wonder why graal is going down the toilet?

Theres also stupid moves like I've stated before, where a company would even allow something obsolete to be a part of the product, such as gs1 offline, and its not allowed online at all anymore. Why have something that is useless on the product at all? It's misleading, not needed, and horrible product quality to have that. The graal community could learn easier w/o waiting to get on testbed, like me waiting 4 months now, if they had could learn gs2 by starting out offline, making lights, level npcs, ect, A LOT LIKE THE STUFF LATS NEED.

There's enough support in this thread to show that a gs2 offline editor would be helpful to the graal community. Again, logical.