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[salesman]

Originally Posted by Thanatoses

First of all, my NUMBER one rule ask anyone was that no one in Bounty Hunter deposited money to the safe. Only time I ever deposited money was if a player sent me money fron a raid contract (Check it) or if they deposited the pay themselves.
Second of all, doubt it all you want... those that were around back then, know it to be the truth, Icarus was manager at the time, GC was Admin, ask him, ha. That was what it was, bra... your system was far outdone.

You've PROVEN what? Roflmao? The two weeks of our lowest inactivity ever, we made over 25 percent of what your system made in its OPENING week. Your system made less than 10 percent of what we made in our opening week? You're outdone already.

If it needed to be removed due to failure, the people who's job it is and who are QUALIFIED to do so, would've done it. Not the ones who were hired to build, not think. Seeing as dumb moves like this are made when you think, rofl.

Think about events, not businesses... hmk?

First of all, it's not a business, it doesn't make money -- it's a job. Its main purpose isn't to provide a bounty hunting service, it's entertainment. It's more fun to place a bounty on someone hoping to hurt their score, make them paranoid, or deliver a message than to just pay to have them killed, leaving it at that. It's also wayyy more fun to be able to hunt people yourself.

Also, if you factor in the fact that 35k is only the amount removed from taxes, not the total amount spent by players, and the fact that bounties are on average 70% cheaper than before, my total is if not greater than, relatively the same as, the 450k that you cannot substantiate.

[Thanatoses]

If its not a business, but a job. Why was the "business" removed? lol. It doesn't interferre with your "job" as you put it.

And increasing the price means a decrease in bounties, lol... thats pure logic. It will definitely not pass it, nor even get close, lol.

In any matter, if you want someone's score to drop, shouldn't you have the option of selecting "professionals" to do it for you? Which would furthermore promote the business, and players who were killed due to a public bounty might want the hunter hunted down by "professionals", lol.

My point: There is always a generic and name brand form of a product.

Speedy Pizza = Generic
DD and DH = Name Brand

Gun Shop = Generic Ammo
Ammo Mart and GP = Name Brand.

PPA and Bounty Hunter are not the same, and we all know it. Two Diferent Types of Businesses, with two different products.

Your public system = Generic
Bountu Hunter = Name Brand.

Poor people use you for low-quality service, financially comfortable people use us for quality service.

I see competition in that, so does everyone else. Not to mention Bounty Hunter was a GOAL for many pkers.

[salesman]

I believe Chris and I have given you several reasons for removing the business, all of which were more than valid. Though, none of which you seem to accept.

I just stated that the current system is not a service, and adding another system for bounties would be counter-productive.

I can see how hiring "professionals" might be a good idea, but if something like that was added, it wouldn't be in the form of "Bounty Hunter" as you know it, but would most likely be incorporated into the public system.

[CharlieM]

Shouldn't the owner atleast be refunded since I'm assuming he wasn't given any forewarning that their buisness was being closed.

[Thanatoses]

The reasons you have given are a subtotal of none because NONE are valid, not just to me but to anyone but you two.

Reason 1: Business wasn't booming for two weeks.

Circumstances (You seem to have ignored) : Leader was banned at the time, system was malfunctioning, prices were unattended to.

Also neither of you are allowed to delete a business for this reason, lol. This is at the discretion of Daz and Squirt making it further MORE invalid.

Leaving that reason to be invalid.

Reason 2: Impossoble to co-exist.

That was proven wrong long ago, making that invalid.

Thats all I recall, got anymore?

We are the professionals, like I stated no "system" can measure skill to even give you "professionals.

The number one player on your list right now is Rykon, roflmao. He accepted over 150 bounties and failed over 95 percent of them, true professional.

[salesman]

Private Bunter Hunter was only fun for a select group of people, the new public system permits anyone to have a good time. If you think Bounty Hunter was so important as a "goal" for players, make a party. You can still complete bounties.

Tell me it's not the same thing? You're probably right...players probably won't care for it that much because the perks (lame guns/pay checks) don't come with it. But hey, if you successfully make a party that everyone wants to join, you win, you've got Bounty Hunter back...atleast the part that you say makes it important.

[Thanatoses]

Originally Posted by salesman

Private Bunter Hunter was only fun for a select group of people, the new public system permits anyone to have a good time. If you think Bounty Hunter was so important as a "goal" for players, make a party. You can still complete bounties.

Tell me it's not the same thing? You're probably right...players probably won't care for it that much because the perks (lame guns/pay checks) don't come with it. But hey, if you successfully make a party that everyone wants to join, you win, you've got Bounty Hunter back...atleast the part that you say makes it important.

According to you two, and you two alone. As you've heard and ignored, players loved being hunted by competent who's "profession" so to speak was killing them, they loved the ambush and etc and your system isn't fulfilling that.

Once again, I asked you why you removed the business, you gave me another invalid reason. We did not ONLY do Bounties like you keep ignoring majority of our money was raid contracts and the business was PROFITABLE. You're asking why was the business only profitable to a select people, because its a BUSINESS. Does hatred blind all logic from you?


Why not delete all player-owned businesses and make scripts for everyone to be able to do because its not fair only a select people make money from them. Hey, who's to say we don't all have fun stocking and gettin paid? Or protecting? Hm?

Seriously, your arguments just become more and more ridiculous, its like the idea of you admitting you're wrong to me totally scares you senseless.
Bounty Hunter is a label like Los Carteles or PPA, guns are granted to that label for their specific purposes.

Players Own things and things are spread to select people for the overall sake of the game. Individually may seem unfair, but as a whole its balanced and if its not, the GBA sees that it is. Not everything is for everyone.

Bounty Hunter was and will be the only elitist PK guild on Era, all packed in a fun, productive business with perks. Your system doesn't and never will threaten that, I think it threatened your system. I have no doubt it will return, very soon... to your dismay, you don't have nor should have ever had any power over businesses.


Ugh, I went offtrack. You've given me reasons as to why you deleted Bounty Hunter which don't matter to me (despite their invalidity) because it wasn't your place to.

My point was you didn't NEED to delete the business for your system to work, anyone who thinks about it realizes that. Even Chris Vimes admitted he thought they would co-exist. You never liked the business or saw a point in it existing, which didn't matter because it isn't / wasn't your job. You get it?

Point : Proven / Made

[cbk1994]

We've explained our reasons to you, but you claim they are poor reasons. That's perfectly fine. I don't mind if you think our reasons were invalid. However, we do not plan at this time to bring back Bounty Hunter. Your arguments are not going to get you anywhere.

Originally Posted by Thanatoses

Even Chris Vimes admitted he thought they would co-exist.

Don't take my words out of context. I said that I did not know exactly what Sales was planning, and that from what I understood, they would co-exist.

[salesman]

Originally Posted by Thanatoses

According to you two, and you two alone. As you've heard and ignored, players loved being hunted by competent who's "profession" so to speak was killing them, they loved the ambush and etc and your system isn't fulfilling that.

Once again, I asked you why you removed the business, you gave me another invalid reason. We did not ONLY do Bounties like you keep ignoring majority of our money was raid contracts and the business was PROFITABLE. You're asking why was the business only profitable to a select people, because its a BUSINESS. Does hatred blind all logic from you?

I never asked why it was profitable to only a select few...I said bounty contracts were only fun for a select few when it was private, please read.

Originally Posted by Thanatoses

Why not delete all player-owned businesses and make scripts for everyone to be able to do because its not fair only a select people make money from them. Hey, who's to say we don't all have fun stocking and gettin paid? Or protecting? Hm?

Seriously, your arguments just become more and more ridiculous, its like the idea of you admitting you're wrong to me totally scares you senseless.
Bounty Hunter is a label like Los Carteles or PPA, guns are granted to that label for their specific purposes.

Players Own things and things are spread to select people for the overall sake of the game. Individually may seem unfair, but as a whole its balanced and if its not, the GBA sees that it is. Not everything is for everyone.

It's not about being fair, it's about better utilizing a concept. Bounties are more beneficial if everyone can participate.

Originally Posted by Thanatoses

Bounty Hunter was and will be the only elitist PK guild on Era, all packed in a fun, productive business with perks. Your system doesn't and never will threaten that, I think it threatened your system. I have no doubt it will return, very soon... to your dismay, you don't have nor should have ever had any power over businesses.


Ugh, I went offtrack. You've given me reasons as to why you deleted Bounty Hunter which don't matter to me (despite their invalidity) because it wasn't your place to.

My point was you didn't NEED to delete the business for your system to work, anyone who thinks about it realizes that. Even Chris Vimes admitted he thought they would co-exist. You never liked the business or saw a point in it existing, which didn't matter because it isn't / wasn't your job. You get it?

Point : Proven / Made

Sure, it didn't need to be deleted...just like we didn't need to remove every other system that we replaced with a new and improved version. We could've kept Jenn's gang system, because technically, it wouldn't have interfered with the current one, it would've just given gangs more competition. We didn't need to replace the old mall with a new one, both could technically exist without interfering with eachother.

You're just trying get your business back...say '/partyform Bounty Hunter'

You can do everything you did with Bounty Hunter before it was removed with a party tag. Have fun!

[Thanatoses]

Good thing its not left up to you, eh?

Your reasons were indeed invalid, its not I "think", they are, and I've proven that.

This argument was never to ask you to return Bounty Hunter rather to pre-test your so called "reasons". You failed, as predicted... hope you study for the real exam.

[Frankie]

businesses in general are limited to a select few people. that's a dumb argument in my opinion to say that public bher is more fun than private bher. of course it is. if going by that logic, anything private should be made public.

[Thanatoses]

Wouldn't be the first time he made one of those in this conversation.

In any event, those examples were irrelative to this situation.

Mall = NPC-Ran (Two of those is just dumb).

Gang System = Deals with players / player-owned. (Two of those is silly)

Catch my drift?

Speedy Pizza = NPC-Ran
DH and DD = Player-Owned
(Both exist and are fine).

Gun Shop = NPC-Ran
AM and GP = Player-Owned
(Both exist and work competitively fine. Gun Shop always stocked, but other two are cheaper).

Public System = NPC-Ran
Bounty Hunter = Player-Owned
(Two existing is far better than either alone, players can have fun and the business can make its money, everybody wins), except you and Chris . But, you'll be Iight.

Also, I'd appreciate you all not ignoring everyone else that had something to say on this matter. Disrespectful of you two, apologize. =]

[DuBsTeRmAn]

* You forgot Core Electronics

[Thanatoses]

Originally Posted by DuBsTeRmAn

* You forgot Core Electronics

Thanks, but I didn't forgot... I just assumed he has enough sense to get the point without me naming every circumstance, hope I'm right, for Era's sake.

[Vman13x]

So I had a 5k bounty on me,I was walking around in a pk zone not really caring because I knew a noob was going to attack me,whereas if bher was here Id have to be on constant alert and ask wil when I have a bounty on me I run like a noob,so they cant get it. Now A guy walks past me all I do is pull out my gun if I did that to bher Im guaranteed dead because Im not as good as them.