Bring back Classic levels and hit detection?

[Zeltino]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

The fact remains that a bunch of people who do not play current classic have all of a sudden appeared and tried to push for drastic changes. How effective such changes would be remains to be seen, but let's try to put this in context.

A bunch of nostalgic oldbies see our server in its dismal state and see an opportunity to reclaim what was lost. They don't give a damn about the people who spent the past several years dedicated to a so-so server. They don't give a damn about what has been worked on in the past because, to them, nothing will ever be good enough compared to old classic.

It's obvious to everyone who's played or visited current classic that things are not looking good. But restoring everything from a decade ago is not the "miracle solution" that Classic needs. Classic needs a LOT of solutions, because we have a LOT of problems. There is no one single solution to automatically fix everything.

As far as I'm concerned, Classic doesn't need these old levels back. Nor do our players specifically want old classic back. The players of classic want the server to be fixed up, not replaced. If they wanted to play an entirely new server (which is essentially what you're suggesting,) they would have stopped playing classic a long time ago.

The fact of the matter is that you simply cannot simply come to our server after never extensively playing it, tell our staff team: "hey, stop everything you're working on because our idea is better," and expect them to drop everything and work on this massive restoration project.

From what I can see, you guys are just using our server's current state as an excuse to try and regain old classic. You sure as hell don't give a damn about us; you're just doing this for yourselves. Don't even play the "well this will help you guys" bull****. This is about you guys realizing your nostalgic dreams. Whether it was a good thing or not, old classic is dead and gone (reference to a song.) So don't show up one day, introduce your grand scheme, then expect to sit back on UN or w/e the hell you're from for several months while our staff works hard on your project. If you want old classic back, restore it yourselves. Don't show up one day and expect people to do it for you.

Classic, as it is, cannot afford to have the entire dev team work on this restoration project while the current players slowly leave over the many months it will take. You guys don't find that as a problem because you don't have to sit around all day waiting for a GC to log on to have some entertainment. You guys have the luxury of sitting around on UN or w/e until the project is complete. We don't.

In the end, we have to do what's best for our current players and current server. We can't afford to neglect them for months just because some oldbie players want their server back. We need to fix classic for our current players, not replace it for previous players.

I can already envision your counter arguments that range from "look at the polls you retard" to "this move would save your server idiot." Don't give me that bull****. This move is about saving your server, not our server. I miss graal2000; it was my first server. It had wayyyy more quests than classic might ever have. I wish it could return, but I don't around telling people to work for months on it just so I can live out my nostalgia. It's ****ing selfish to try and tell a server what to do for your own personal wants. Your idea would essentially kill our server, and from it's ashes, your server would be born. That's good for you; not good for us. Would it be best for the server known as Classic? Perhaps it would. But it's not whats best for classic's current players. We survived for years on a 30-40 avg playercount by hosting the hell out of our events while a variety of dev teams screwed around on the next "classic-saving project". The failure of the many dev teams has ultimately resulted in a massive decline for our server. We have to fix the problems we made; not cover them up in some levels from the early 2000s.

So there you have it. Whether you agree with that I said (however unlikely) or not, do realize it's going to take far more than a thread will a poll on a forum to bring back your old server. It's going to take hours and hours of work, something that you guys need to do if you want your server back. Classic's staff isn't going to do it for you while you sit around and wait for it to happen.

tl;dr.

I see you bolded current players. I don't know to what relevance that means to your post.

Classic doesn't have any current players. It has, at most, 7 people online. And that's a miracle. Private servers get more players than that.

I just read your last paragraph. Okay, make some new people staff. I'm sure there's tons of people willing to help restore Classic. Tons of people have probably offered in this thread alone. So get your head out of your ass.

[BlackSolider]

You really don't read, do you? Get your own people to do it. Don't get our staff to do it. Our staff has to work on improving things for the people that actually play classic.

And don't give me this "at most 7 people" bull****. We had 28 people on yesterday (to which you go "oooooh 28 so many people...not.) Yeah, 28 isn't a big number. But it's not ****ing 7 people. ****ing exaggeration.

[contego]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

The fact remains that a bunch of people who do not play current classic have all of a sudden appeared and tried to push for drastic changes. How effective such changes would be remains to be seen, but let's try to put this in context.

A bunch of nostalgic oldbies see our server in its dismal state and see an opportunity to reclaim what was lost. They don't give a damn about the people who spent the past several years dedicated to a so-so server. They don't give a damn about what has been worked on in the past because, to them, nothing will ever be good enough compared to old classic.

It's obvious to everyone who's played or visited current classic that things are not looking good. But restoring everything from a decade ago is not the "miracle solution" that Classic needs. Classic needs a LOT of solutions, because we have a LOT of problems. There is no one single solution to automatically fix everything.

As far as I'm concerned, Classic doesn't need these old levels back. Nor do our players specifically want old classic back. The players of classic want the server to be fixed up, not replaced. If they wanted to play an entirely new server (which is essentially what you're suggesting,) they would have stopped playing classic a long time ago.

The fact of the matter is that you simply cannot simply come to our server after never extensively playing it, tell our staff team: "hey, stop everything you're working on because our idea is better," and expect them to drop everything and work on this massive restoration project.

From what I can see, you guys are just using our server's current state as an excuse to try and regain old classic. You sure as hell don't give a damn about us; you're just doing this for yourselves. Don't even play the "well this will help you guys" bull****. This is about you guys realizing your nostalgic dreams. Whether it was a good thing or not, old classic is dead and gone (reference to a song.) So don't show up one day, introduce your grand scheme, then expect to sit back on UN or w/e the hell you're from for several months while our staff works hard on your project. If you want old classic back, restore it yourselves. Don't show up one day and expect people to do it for you.

Classic, as it is, cannot afford to have the entire dev team work on this restoration project while the current players slowly leave over the many months it will take. You guys don't find that as a problem because you don't have to sit around all day waiting for a GC to log on to have some entertainment. You guys have the luxury of sitting around on UN or w/e until the project is complete. We don't.

In the end, we have to do what's best for our current players and current server. We can't afford to neglect them for months just because some oldbie players want their server back. We need to fix classic for our current players, not replace it for previous players.

I can already envision your counter arguments that range from "look at the polls you retard" to "this move would save your server idiot." Don't give me that bull****. This move is about saving your server, not our server. I miss graal2000; it was my first server. It had wayyyy more quests than classic might ever have. I wish it could return, but I don't around telling people to work for months on it just so I can live out my nostalgia. It's ****ing selfish to try and tell a server what to do for your own personal wants. Your idea would essentially kill our server, and from it's ashes, your server would be born. That's good for you; not good for us. Would it be best for the server known as Classic? Perhaps it would. But it's not whats best for classic's current players. We survived for years on a 30-40 avg playercount by hosting the hell out of our events while a variety of dev teams screwed around on the next "classic-saving project". The failure of the many dev teams has ultimately resulted in a massive decline for our server. We have to fix the problems we made; not cover them up in some levels from the early 2000s.

So there you have it. Whether you agree with that I said (however unlikely) or not, do realize it's going to take far more than a thread will a poll on a forum to bring back your old server. It's going to take hours and hours of work, something that you guys need to do if you want your server back. Classic's staff isn't going to do it for you while you sit around and wait for it to happen.

What current players are you referring to? The current players are voting on here as well and they are agreeing to switching HD as are you.

I don't think you read my responses clearly. Otherwise you wouldn't have posted 99% of that thread.

If you're feeling pasionate about change too, then step up and offer up something to do. Why attack others who are actually looking for positive improvement? I'm willing to help too.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

this is not un :P

actually everyone *****ed about serverside at one time and now its about clientside.

This has nothing to do with UN. Its about the hit detection not being what it ORIGINALLY was on graal, which it still remains on other servers, but not the one that matters. Why do you think people left classic in the first place?

If you guys are scared new dev would stop, I'd bet you're wrong.

[contego]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

You really don't read, do you? Get your own people to do it. Don't get our staff to do it. Our staff has to work on improving things for the people that actually play classic.

And don't give me this "at most 7 people" bull****. We had 28 people on yesterday (to which you go "oooooh 28 so many people...not.) Yeah, 28 isn't a big number. But it's not ****ing 7 people. ****ing exaggeration.

Take your own advice and READ our thread. We've been over this, and it's not productive.

We are doing something for starters this poll. Secondly offering our services. You need to put your boxing gloves down and pick up some reading glasses. -.-

[BlackSolider]

@ contego.

I don't give a damn what HD it is as long as it works. Hell, take an HD from WoW or something, I don't care. All I know is that Classic needs a better HD than it current has, and it doesn't matter where it comes from, old classic included.

I'm feeling passionate about the people who actually play classic being left with nothing for months on end while our dev team works hard on this massive project. Take into account the consequences of your actions. You can play UN or w/e while this project is being worked on and be completely happy. We can't play classic for months as it is right now.

[Zeltino]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

You really don't read, do you? Get your own people to do it. Don't get our staff to do it. Our staff has to work on improving things for the people that actually play classic.

And don't give me this "at most 7 people" bull****. We had 28 people on yesterday (to which you go "oooooh 28 so many people...not.) Yeah, 28 isn't a big number. But it's not ****ing 7 people. ****ing exaggeration.

God damn it you're an idiot.

That's fine; everyone else will do it. Classic staff can sit back and play with themselves for all we care. If you don't to help, don't you dolt.

I forgot the majority of Graal consists of 12 year olds with ego-problems.

And no. 28 people is a nice chunk for a dying game. But 28 people isn't as fun as 70-100.

[Remonq]

all i see in this thread is 2 oldbies whining and claiming that they know how to save classic and can do it, just like dozens have done before in the past

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by unknown

This has nothing to do with UN. Its about the hit detection not being what it ORIGINALLY was on graal, which it still remains on other servers, but not the one that matters. Why do you think people left classic in the first place?

If you guys are scared new dev would stop, I'd bet you're wrong.

you people want to play "old classic" not the current one, dev are surely working hard to improve it so you people can enjoy it. stop living in the past

[unknown]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

You really don't read, do you? Get your own people to do it. Don't get our staff to do it. Our staff has to work on improving things for the people that actually play classic.

And don't give me this "at most 7 people" bull****. We had 28 people on yesterday (to which you go "oooooh 28 so many people...not.) Yeah, 28 isn't a big number. But it's not ****ing 7 people. ****ing exaggeration.

you really don't read do you? more people, EVEN CURRENT PLAYERS, would play more often if the HD was returned to normal, not if you develop more. Start from the ground up. I really hope you're not staff.


28 is like your guys peak, as well as probably 8 of those being RC's

I don't see why you argue the fact that people want change. This thread has been up less than 3 days and has got more views and posts than any other thread in the classic forums as well as the polls DONT LIE. Like I said, go get your supposed "current classic player" to vote as well and post their thoughts.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by xnervNATx

you people want to play "old classic" not the current one, dev are surely working hard to improve it so you people can enjoy it. stop living in the past

I don't live in the past, its not even about the old levels, ITS ABOUT THE HIT DETECTION! I and I am sure everyone else, is ALL FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT. maybe you guys should read the previous posts more thoroughly.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by Remonq

all i see in this thread is 2 oldbies whining and claiming that they know how to save classic and can do it, just like dozens have done before in the past

Please let me know when someone in the past has actually TRIED to make a change to classic like this and offered to do it?

[contego]

Originally Posted by Remonq

all i see in this thread is 2 oldbies whining and claiming that they know how to save classic and can do it, just like dozens have done before in the past

I disagree but I have you pinned; someone who is halting change for the better. Much needed change that Classic needs, that players are itching for.

[BlackSolider]

No where did I ever say changing the HD was a bad idea. In fact, I said changing the HD was a good idea.

We had 35 or so saturday or sunday kthx.

No matter what people say or think, there's still logistical problems. Our dev team cannot afford to focus on this project for "future players" while the current players are left with nothing.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

No, you want to play "old classic", not current classic. Don't give me that bull****. I'm thinking about the consequences of such a move for the people that currently play classic; something you guys are failing to think about b/c you're blinded by your nostalgia.

Lol stop putting words in my mouth, I didn't ever want to return to classic, just like everyone else who left, BECAUSE OF THE HIT DETECTION, not because of NEW DEVELOPMENT and CURRENT CLASSIC. It has nothing to do with nostalgia, though it would be nice to see original levels, but thats pretty much out the window now.