Bring back Classic levels and hit detection?

[unknown]

nice comment DC, since no one even said anything about there not being a spar or pk area.

and its REALISTIC if you can do it, which you just said, IT CAN BE DONE, so what are you talking about? you're obviously someone who just doesn't want to put some work in.

Maybe if you would actually read what people say before posting and looking stupid...

I sparred in your supposed default HD room in exos place, still feels a bit odd.

As far as hats, you should have to buy them, and economy is something classic could use, and it doesn't have to just be based on hats.

To sum things up, everyone would pretty much settle for the hit detection back. Development on classic could continue, but it should continue in the direction of great quests like Thyms, with a great storyline, events of course, AN ECONOMY....whether you like it or not, it adds to a part of the game and keeps people interested and motivated to actually PLAY. So much for your comment about 2k1, since UN has a great economy and blows the rest of the servers away.

YA!

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by unknown

nice comment DC, since no one even said anything about there not being a spar or pk area.

A lot of this thread is another request from people who don't actually play classic(logging on once a year isnt playing classic), asking for all the default systems and old levels.
Because of this, we made default HD spar and PK rooms to cater to those people.

They never get used, so why bother listening to the people asking for things if they don't USE what they ASK for?

Originally Posted by unknown

and its REALISTIC if you can do it, which you just said, IT CAN BE DONE, so what are you talking about? you're obviously someone who just doesn't want to put some work in.

Is a half decade year project of bringing us BACK double that time as far as level quality and scripting capabilities go really the kind of realism we want?
It can be done, shooting yourself in the face can also be done, there's a lot of things that CAN be done, but it doesnt make it a good idea automatically.

Originally Posted by unknown

Maybe if you would actually read what people say before posting and looking stupid...

Maybe if you learn some common sense about things and cost vs benefits, maybe you wouldn't look so stupid to everyone outside of your town center spar clique, all of which whom dont have a clue about what Classic is about, because they don't play classic outside of Ares, they play UN, you are newbie UN players. You have no right to tell Classic what direction it should be going in, as you're not a Classic player.

Originally Posted by unknown

I sparred in your supposed default HD room in exos place, still feels a bit odd.

It's all default systems, ALL custom classic systems removed, let me reiterate.
It IS default. If you feel a difference, well, that's you looking for excuses.

Originally Posted by unknown

As far as hats, you should have to buy them, and economy is something classic could use, and it doesn't have to just be based on hats.

To sum things up, everyone would pretty much settle for the hit detection back. Development on classic could continue, but it should continue in the direction of great quests like Thyms, with a great storyline, events of course, AN ECONOMY....whether you like it or not, it adds to a part of the game and keeps people interested and motivated to actually PLAY. So much for your comment about 2k1, since UN has a great economy and blows the rest of the servers away.

YA!

Let's have a hat economy, a thing you can wear on your head as an economy, so much fun, it worked on 2K1 and UN amirite guys? From what I've heard, the UN hat economy blows.

[unknown]

lol whatever man. you sit here and say I'm a UN newbie, yet in my day I probably played more classic than you have your entire graal career. I started on classic, and tried to stick it out as long as possible, obviously its good I left isnt it? And if you can't take into consideration, what other players from other servers want so they will come to yours, youre a horrible staff members. cost vs benefits? wow you'd have to do some work and admit all your attempts in the past were for nothing. SOME THINGS ARE BETTER LEFT ALONE. also, you have a better idea for an economy? who cares if its something you where on your head...an economy is an economy, and what draws players, draws players. You'd be a horrible business man, stick to taking those horrible wannabe model pictures.

Also, please inform me "What Classic's about" its obviously not about being Classic, or about the players and what they want, EVEN IF THEY ARENT CURRENTLY PLAYING CLASSIC.

wow...

[contego]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

I like how people are talking about realistic when they are talking about suggestions such as taking half a decade to convert ourselves back to 2001 or 2004 or whatever the hell year the majority want(which is a pickle in itself, no matter which old classic you pick, it isnt going to be the 'right' one).

It was suggested to just shut the NPC server down? What will that give you, default HD with a bunch of broken custom systems.
How long do you think the globals would let us having our NPC server down intentionally? Really?

As for the people commenting on there being no sparring, no events, no hats, no etc.
There's sparring everywhere if you actually click on our server and log in.
Hell, we even have a default sparring area with a decent queue system. Too bad half you you BTK retards don't even know of the default sparring and PK areas' existence, much less acknowledge them. It wouldn't help your whole unachievable arguement, now would it? We have default HD around, try leaving town center spar and spar on classic? Oh wait, you're not going to do that because the HD arguement is just a god damned excuse to stay off classic, but it would hurt your pride too much, your roots, to say that UN is your home now, and not where you grew up(Classic), if you even played during those days, or just pretend you did.
You can wear whatever the hell hat you want, its called sethat unless you want us to develop a community based on hats like 2K1, that went down the toilet. An economy based on hats? Really?

Nothing of relevance, and problaby should be edited. But please let's focus on the topic at hand.

DarkCloud - "Present Dev Admin" (quoting your signature on your post). When I was GM, I said it like it was and I'm not going to sugar coat it now; It's abundantly clear that the HD is a large factor of Classic's low playercount. All you need to do is take it that direction. You're not helping this situation, you and Master Storm are the people we need to convince. All the people on the poll are all fighting for the samething, it's not an attack personally on you as a person.

[Pelikano]

40 people want the old content back.
Why don't we bring it back for like a week as a "test"?

[DarkCloud_PK]

are you really going to be another one of those people that gives me that crap that they started since zelda online?
I really don't think you can top my over 7K hours online, so don't try to tell me about back in your day, son.

[unknown]

oh and please look at those numbers, regardless of who they are they deserve to be heard on their requests if you want some POTENTIAL players for your dead server. Maybe instead of making fun of UN and being so pessimistic of change, you should take notes from UN.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by contego

Nothing of relevance, and problaby should be edited. But please let's focus on the topic at hand.

DarkCloud - "Present Dev Admin" (quoting your signature on your post). When I was GM, I said it like it was and I'm not going to sugar coat it now; It's abundantly clear that the HD is a large factor of Classic's low playercount. All you need to do is take it that direction. You're not helping this situation, you and Master Storm are the people we need to convince. All the people on the poll are all fighting for the samething, it's not an attack personally on you as a person.

There's tons of relavance I just noted, that you completely ignored.
THERE IS DEFAULT HD ON CLASSIC RIGHT NOW THIS VERY SECOND, AND NOT A SOUL USES IT.

Obviously not that big of an issue, I know what classic's issues are a hell of a lot more than you do, and its not because of the HD.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

are you really going to be another one of those people that gives me that crap that they started since zelda online?
I really don't think you can top my over 7K hours online, so don't try to tell me about back in your day, son.

are you really going to be another one of those people that gives me crap that just because someone plays UN they aren't worthy of an opinion on your server?
I really don't think your 7k hours are relevant, considering you always idled and never really played the game, so don't try to tell me about back in your day, dad.

P.S. if I added all my accounts, I'd probably have the same amount of hours, junior.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by unknown

oh and please look at those numbers, regardless of who they are they deserve to be heard on their requests if you want some POTENTIAL players for your dead server. Maybe instead of making fun of UN and being so pessimistic of change, you should take notes from UN.

Why would I take notes on a server that primarily uses GS1 and likes NPCWs like the typewriter NPC(which I rescripted back on Classic in roughly 30 seconds)? There's a lot of UN's population that I would rather like to stay on UN because of the void of intellect.

UN is trash, the only thing holding UN together is its diehard sparring community and community in general, if anything would ever happen to UN's community, it would colapse on itself since it is such a low quality server.

[-Ramirez-]

Originally Posted by Pelikano

40 people want the old content back.
Why don't we bring it back for like a week as a "test"?

It just isn't that easy.



contego, Stefan truly can't just upload old files and have it function properly. As has been said, the scripts are completely incompatible and will not work in the vast majority of cases.

I highly doubt the servers are designed to work properly without an NPC server running at all anymore as well. A lot of the old functionality that existed without an NPC server probably doesn't exist or doesn't work anymore. This isn't the right solution even if it did work, though.



I'd also like to note, at least in regard to the default hit detection, that nobody has been exposed to a real replica of the default done with current scripting methods. I think if they were, they'd find that it's the same or indistinguishable, at least. Believe it or not, it would allow it to be integrated into what currently exists. However, good luck finding someone to do that with the huge pile of garbage they call system scripts at the moment.



In regard to starting with a small piece (as in the main city) of old content and expanding outward with an entirely new set of systems... that's definitely a great idea. It's what should have been done 5 years ago, but we (referring to the developers before Storm just suddenly got promoted over everyone as if that was warranted somehow) didn't really consider that. Our goal was to fix EVERYTHING at once, which was not only overwhelming, it was unlikely to ever succeed in the time frame we had. I don't think it'd take a whole lot to accomplish this new idea.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by unknown

are you really going to be another one of those people that gives me crap that just because someone plays UN they aren't worthy of an opinion on your server?
I really don't think your 7k hours are relevant, considering you always idled and never really played the game, so don't try to tell me about back in your day, dad.

P.S. if I added all my accounts, I'd probably have the same amount of hours, junior.

It's just a simple matter of knowing what the hell you're talking about before you start telling Classic what it needs.
It would be like if I went to Era's or Zodiac's forums, servers which I don't play, and told them what to do.
Doesn't make too much sense now does it? How about you go worry about your own server, instead of ours?

[Pelikano]

Wait wait, how long do people want to go back? :S

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by -Ramirez-

I'd also like to note, at least in regard to the default hit detection, that nobody has been exposed to a real replica of the default done with current scripting methods. I think if they were, they'd find that it's the same or indistinguishable, at least. Believe it or not, it would allow it to be integrated into what currently exists. However, good luck finding someone to do that with the huge pile of garbage they call system scripts at the moment.

The default areas in Exo's are pure default, the scripting is set to completely remove all the custom HD components from the player, then give them back when they aren't in the room, so while they're in the spar level, enableweapons(); is uses, which turns on the dormant default HD.

[unknown]

Advice is advice, and this is coming from some one whos played graal long enough, and played pretty much every server it has to offer. Why do you keep coming up with excuses?

Does this mean your willing to take some advice on changes? you know what we are talking about, mainly the hit detection and better development in the right direction.

Go worry about my server? lol you obviously don't care if classic comes back at all since you can't take anyones opinion. you're like a defensive little kid, I can't believe you're my age.

[contego]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

There's tons of relavance I just noted, that you completely ignored.
THERE IS DEFAULT HD ON CLASSIC RIGHT NOW THIS VERY SECOND, AND NOT A SOUL USES IT.

Obviously not that big of an issue, I know what classic's issues are a hell of a lot more than you do, and its not because of the HD.

DC you've got to have an open mind. -.-

Bell, please just backup the server and do like Tyhm suggests which is basically beefing up secruity.

[-Ramirez-]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

The default areas in Exo's are pure default, the scripting is set to completely remove all the custom HD components from the player, then give them back when they aren't in the room, so while they're in the spar level, enableweapons(); is uses, which turns on the dormant default HD.

What I was talking about is the fact that everyone thinks you need the REAL default for it to be identical, or close enough that they can't tell and only make assumptions. Having it scripted is definitely a better idea, as it makes scripts more flexible, but everyone's pointlessly against that because they've only seen pathetic excuses for systems.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by contego

DC you've got to have an open mind. -.-

Bell, please just backup the server and do like Tyhm suggests which is basically beefing up secruity.

actually with what tyhm was talking about, we'd be beefing down security, so we could have those frantic admins chasing down the trainer users causing chaos again.

[contego]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

actually with what tyhm was talking about, we'd be beefing down security, so we could have those frantic admins chasing down the trainer users causing chaos again.

What's wrong with that? It still happens on Graal. The TOS is still in effect. We'll still have the same consquences and banning capabilities.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by unknown

Advice is advice, and this is coming from some one whos played graal long enough, and played pretty much every server it has to offer. Why do you keep coming up with excuses?

Does this mean your willing to take some advice on changes? you know what we are talking about, mainly the hit detection and better development in the right direction.

Go worry about my server? lol you obviously don't care if classic comes back at all since you can't take anyones opinion. you're like a defensive little kid, I can't believe you're my age.

Advice is advice, but all advice isnt feasible, and taking 5 years of steps to go back 10 years in steps for nostalgia isn't feasible. I have no idea why you can't grasp the fact that trying to rebuild GTA to a tee is such a momumental waste of time, would anyone be around in 5 years that would remember Classic as it was? Would Graal even be around?

[unknown]

yeah but you have to realize, you created this mess and dug your own grave. everyone warned you guys about the new HD system in place.

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by contego

I'm quite confident that it will bring back the playercount if the HD, levels, and original quests return. Based on the poll, we're now at 40 people who voted on Classic returning, it should tell you something.

As mentioned before, people are only voting to bring back the old levels because they are desperate for Classic to have anything. Current Classic can be improved to suit player satisfaction, but there is so much pessimism and people lashing out at staff that makes it hard to even work.

Also have been said before, it would probably be impossible converting that overworld to suit any needs right now. Just looking at that level pack, I can guarantee a restoration project would take several months, if not, a year+. (I haven't played Old Classic so just going by facts).

As for default systems, I think DC is getting a little too hot headed about that. That is what Classic could use at the moment. Reason why nobody uses the default pk/spar areas is because the server and events are in a different HD and it's pretty Null to spar on a different HD then what you might get your rewards on.

[unknown]

the main thing here to everyone is hit detection, the levels should come back but if they didn't I think people would settle for the HD changed.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by unknown

yeah but you have to realize, you created this mess and dug your own grave. everyone warned you guys about the new HD system in place.

*I* didn't dig anything, I came into development with it long in place.
I inherited all these custom systems, much like those before me.

[unknown]

you only seem to not care because you don't even pk or spar or play for that matter and because you don't want to do the work, that's what I am seeing.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by unknown

you only seem to not care because you don't even pk or spar or play for that matter and because you don't want to do the work, that's what I am seeing.

I do.

[StrykerTFFD]

I've been around longer than all you youngins, plus I think what Tyhm was suggesting was more of a joke. Going back to the days of chasing down cheaters doesn't seem very fun at all.

[contego]

Originally Posted by MysticX2X

As mentioned before, people are only voting to bring back the old levels because they are desperate for Classic to have anything. Current Classic can be improved to suit player satisfaction, but there is so much pessimism and people lashing out at staff that makes it hard to even work.

Also have been said before, it would probably be impossible converting that overworld to suit any needs right now. Just looking at that level pack, I can guarantee a restoration project would take several months, if not, a year+. (I haven't played Old Classic so just going by facts).

As for default systems, I think DC is getting a little too hot headed about that. That is what Classic could use at the moment. Reason why nobody uses the default pk/spar areas is because the server and events are in a different HD and it's pretty Null to spar on a different HD then what you might get your rewards on.

It could take months or a year+, you say? So basically you're saying there's a light at the end of the tunnel? Let's pick up our shovels and get to work then!

N-Pulse and Unholy Nation's HD work just fine still. It can be done on the Classic server. But this can't be done without alittle elbow grease.

[unknown]

ya you see it all from your bench in level14 huh? you want to go back to talking about consistency Rufus?

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by unknown

ya you see it all from your bench in level14 huh? you want to go back to talking about consistency Rufus?

I didn't know that PKing and Sparring were the only activities that you could do on a server, my bad.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I didn't know that PKing and Sparring were the only activities that you could do on a server, my bad.

pretty much all you can do on classic. oh and a trading card game and bowling, what a joke. oh wait, you got some events too WOOOOO

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by unknown

pretty much all you can do on classic.

As opposed to doing it on UN?

[unknown]

lol 2 votes to leave it as is, we know thats Dark Cloud and Master Storm because they don't want to make an effort.

bring back the original levels and leave hit detection? oh thats laura and shes proud of it....pfft

[unknown]

Originally Posted by Rufus

As opposed to doing it on UN?

doing what? pking and sparring? we have normal hit detection. its a hell of a lot more organized, and theres more people active to pk and spar. events? always events going on, and they are damn good. castlewars is pretty fun too. oh and wait theres actually an economy!

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by unknown

doing what? pking and sparring? we have normal hit detection. its a hell of a lot more organized, and theres more people active to pk and spar. events? always events going on, and they are damn good. castlewars is pretty fun too. oh and wait theres actually an economy!

So.. as opposed to doing it on UN then.

[BlackSolider]

Redoing all those levels would take forever.

I was told before that adding in a default system would also be problematic since it doesn't fit in with our current system or w/e (I don't script.) Someone knowledgeable in classic's scripts estimate how long it would take to convert our system to a default HD (or at least a better HD than we already have,) and everyone else stfu until then.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by Rufus

So.. as opposed to doing it on UN then.

lol you guys dont have most of the things i just mentioned on classic, a playercount, active pking and sparring, and an economy. go chop some bushes for gralat that is basically worthless.

[unknown]

I'm done for the day bickering with DC and Rufus in their pointless debates. If you don't like what the players want, let the server die fully and stop wasting your time since you've wasted 5 years already.

all I know is WOW at your trading card game, that makes me literally roll on my floor and laugh, almost as bad as stefans release of skill games or whatever.

[BlackSolider]

Originally Posted by unknown

If you don't like what the players want

The players of other servers...

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

The players of other servers...

The players of this game...

He's entitled to his opinion but he may be asking a bit too much.