Bring back Classic levels and hit detection?

[unknown]

nice comment DC, since no one even said anything about there not being a spar or pk area.

and its REALISTIC if you can do it, which you just said, IT CAN BE DONE, so what are you talking about? you're obviously someone who just doesn't want to put some work in.

Maybe if you would actually read what people say before posting and looking stupid...

I sparred in your supposed default HD room in exos place, still feels a bit odd.

As far as hats, you should have to buy them, and economy is something classic could use, and it doesn't have to just be based on hats.

To sum things up, everyone would pretty much settle for the hit detection back. Development on classic could continue, but it should continue in the direction of great quests like Thyms, with a great storyline, events of course, AN ECONOMY....whether you like it or not, it adds to a part of the game and keeps people interested and motivated to actually PLAY. So much for your comment about 2k1, since UN has a great economy and blows the rest of the servers away.

YA!

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by unknown

nice comment DC, since no one even said anything about there not being a spar or pk area.

A lot of this thread is another request from people who don't actually play classic(logging on once a year isnt playing classic), asking for all the default systems and old levels.
Because of this, we made default HD spar and PK rooms to cater to those people.

They never get used, so why bother listening to the people asking for things if they don't USE what they ASK for?

Originally Posted by unknown

and its REALISTIC if you can do it, which you just said, IT CAN BE DONE, so what are you talking about? you're obviously someone who just doesn't want to put some work in.

Is a half decade year project of bringing us BACK double that time as far as level quality and scripting capabilities go really the kind of realism we want?
It can be done, shooting yourself in the face can also be done, there's a lot of things that CAN be done, but it doesnt make it a good idea automatically.

Originally Posted by unknown

Maybe if you would actually read what people say before posting and looking stupid...

Maybe if you learn some common sense about things and cost vs benefits, maybe you wouldn't look so stupid to everyone outside of your town center spar clique, all of which whom dont have a clue about what Classic is about, because they don't play classic outside of Ares, they play UN, you are newbie UN players. You have no right to tell Classic what direction it should be going in, as you're not a Classic player.

Originally Posted by unknown

I sparred in your supposed default HD room in exos place, still feels a bit odd.

It's all default systems, ALL custom classic systems removed, let me reiterate.
It IS default. If you feel a difference, well, that's you looking for excuses.

Originally Posted by unknown

As far as hats, you should have to buy them, and economy is something classic could use, and it doesn't have to just be based on hats.

To sum things up, everyone would pretty much settle for the hit detection back. Development on classic could continue, but it should continue in the direction of great quests like Thyms, with a great storyline, events of course, AN ECONOMY....whether you like it or not, it adds to a part of the game and keeps people interested and motivated to actually PLAY. So much for your comment about 2k1, since UN has a great economy and blows the rest of the servers away.

YA!

Let's have a hat economy, a thing you can wear on your head as an economy, so much fun, it worked on 2K1 and UN amirite guys? From what I've heard, the UN hat economy blows.

[unknown]

lol whatever man. you sit here and say I'm a UN newbie, yet in my day I probably played more classic than you have your entire graal career. I started on classic, and tried to stick it out as long as possible, obviously its good I left isnt it? And if you can't take into consideration, what other players from other servers want so they will come to yours, youre a horrible staff members. cost vs benefits? wow you'd have to do some work and admit all your attempts in the past were for nothing. SOME THINGS ARE BETTER LEFT ALONE. also, you have a better idea for an economy? who cares if its something you where on your head...an economy is an economy, and what draws players, draws players. You'd be a horrible business man, stick to taking those horrible wannabe model pictures.

Also, please inform me "What Classic's about" its obviously not about being Classic, or about the players and what they want, EVEN IF THEY ARENT CURRENTLY PLAYING CLASSIC.

wow...

[DarkCloud_PK]

are you really going to be another one of those people that gives me that crap that they started since zelda online?
I really don't think you can top my over 7K hours online, so don't try to tell me about back in your day, son.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

are you really going to be another one of those people that gives me that crap that they started since zelda online?
I really don't think you can top my over 7K hours online, so don't try to tell me about back in your day, son.

are you really going to be another one of those people that gives me crap that just because someone plays UN they aren't worthy of an opinion on your server?
I really don't think your 7k hours are relevant, considering you always idled and never really played the game, so don't try to tell me about back in your day, dad.

P.S. if I added all my accounts, I'd probably have the same amount of hours, junior.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by unknown

are you really going to be another one of those people that gives me crap that just because someone plays UN they aren't worthy of an opinion on your server?
I really don't think your 7k hours are relevant, considering you always idled and never really played the game, so don't try to tell me about back in your day, dad.

P.S. if I added all my accounts, I'd probably have the same amount of hours, junior.

It's just a simple matter of knowing what the hell you're talking about before you start telling Classic what it needs.
It would be like if I went to Era's or Zodiac's forums, servers which I don't play, and told them what to do.
Doesn't make too much sense now does it? How about you go worry about your own server, instead of ours?

[Pelikano]

40 people want the old content back.
Why don't we bring it back for like a week as a "test"?

[-Ramirez-]

Originally Posted by Pelikano

40 people want the old content back.
Why don't we bring it back for like a week as a "test"?

It just isn't that easy.



contego, Stefan truly can't just upload old files and have it function properly. As has been said, the scripts are completely incompatible and will not work in the vast majority of cases.

I highly doubt the servers are designed to work properly without an NPC server running at all anymore as well. A lot of the old functionality that existed without an NPC server probably doesn't exist or doesn't work anymore. This isn't the right solution even if it did work, though.



I'd also like to note, at least in regard to the default hit detection, that nobody has been exposed to a real replica of the default done with current scripting methods. I think if they were, they'd find that it's the same or indistinguishable, at least. Believe it or not, it would allow it to be integrated into what currently exists. However, good luck finding someone to do that with the huge pile of garbage they call system scripts at the moment.



In regard to starting with a small piece (as in the main city) of old content and expanding outward with an entirely new set of systems... that's definitely a great idea. It's what should have been done 5 years ago, but we (referring to the developers before Storm just suddenly got promoted over everyone as if that was warranted somehow) didn't really consider that. Our goal was to fix EVERYTHING at once, which was not only overwhelming, it was unlikely to ever succeed in the time frame we had. I don't think it'd take a whole lot to accomplish this new idea.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by -Ramirez-

I'd also like to note, at least in regard to the default hit detection, that nobody has been exposed to a real replica of the default done with current scripting methods. I think if they were, they'd find that it's the same or indistinguishable, at least. Believe it or not, it would allow it to be integrated into what currently exists. However, good luck finding someone to do that with the huge pile of garbage they call system scripts at the moment.

The default areas in Exo's are pure default, the scripting is set to completely remove all the custom HD components from the player, then give them back when they aren't in the room, so while they're in the spar level, enableweapons(); is uses, which turns on the dormant default HD.

[-Ramirez-]

Originally Posted by DarkCloud_PK

The default areas in Exo's are pure default, the scripting is set to completely remove all the custom HD components from the player, then give them back when they aren't in the room, so while they're in the spar level, enableweapons(); is uses, which turns on the dormant default HD.

What I was talking about is the fact that everyone thinks you need the REAL default for it to be identical, or close enough that they can't tell and only make assumptions. Having it scripted is definitely a better idea, as it makes scripts more flexible, but everyone's pointlessly against that because they've only seen pathetic excuses for systems.

[unknown]

oh and please look at those numbers, regardless of who they are they deserve to be heard on their requests if you want some POTENTIAL players for your dead server. Maybe instead of making fun of UN and being so pessimistic of change, you should take notes from UN.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by unknown

oh and please look at those numbers, regardless of who they are they deserve to be heard on their requests if you want some POTENTIAL players for your dead server. Maybe instead of making fun of UN and being so pessimistic of change, you should take notes from UN.

Why would I take notes on a server that primarily uses GS1 and likes NPCWs like the typewriter NPC(which I rescripted back on Classic in roughly 30 seconds)? There's a lot of UN's population that I would rather like to stay on UN because of the void of intellect.

UN is trash, the only thing holding UN together is its diehard sparring community and community in general, if anything would ever happen to UN's community, it would colapse on itself since it is such a low quality server.

[Pelikano]

Wait wait, how long do people want to go back? :S

[unknown]

Advice is advice, and this is coming from some one whos played graal long enough, and played pretty much every server it has to offer. Why do you keep coming up with excuses?

Does this mean your willing to take some advice on changes? you know what we are talking about, mainly the hit detection and better development in the right direction.

Go worry about my server? lol you obviously don't care if classic comes back at all since you can't take anyones opinion. you're like a defensive little kid, I can't believe you're my age.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by unknown

Advice is advice, and this is coming from some one whos played graal long enough, and played pretty much every server it has to offer. Why do you keep coming up with excuses?

Does this mean your willing to take some advice on changes? you know what we are talking about, mainly the hit detection and better development in the right direction.

Go worry about my server? lol you obviously don't care if classic comes back at all since you can't take anyones opinion. you're like a defensive little kid, I can't believe you're my age.

Advice is advice, but all advice isnt feasible, and taking 5 years of steps to go back 10 years in steps for nostalgia isn't feasible. I have no idea why you can't grasp the fact that trying to rebuild GTA to a tee is such a momumental waste of time, would anyone be around in 5 years that would remember Classic as it was? Would Graal even be around?

[unknown]

yeah but you have to realize, you created this mess and dug your own grave. everyone warned you guys about the new HD system in place.

[DarkCloud_PK]

Originally Posted by unknown

yeah but you have to realize, you created this mess and dug your own grave. everyone warned you guys about the new HD system in place.

*I* didn't dig anything, I came into development with it long in place.
I inherited all these custom systems, much like those before me.

[unknown]

the main thing here to everyone is hit detection, the levels should come back but if they didn't I think people would settle for the HD changed.

[unknown]

you only seem to not care because you don't even pk or spar or play for that matter and because you don't want to do the work, that's what I am seeing.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by unknown

you only seem to not care because you don't even pk or spar or play for that matter and because you don't want to do the work, that's what I am seeing.

I do.

[StrykerTFFD]

I've been around longer than all you youngins, plus I think what Tyhm was suggesting was more of a joke. Going back to the days of chasing down cheaters doesn't seem very fun at all.

[unknown]

ya you see it all from your bench in level14 huh? you want to go back to talking about consistency Rufus?

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by unknown

ya you see it all from your bench in level14 huh? you want to go back to talking about consistency Rufus?

I didn't know that PKing and Sparring were the only activities that you could do on a server, my bad.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by Rufus

I didn't know that PKing and Sparring were the only activities that you could do on a server, my bad.

pretty much all you can do on classic. oh and a trading card game and bowling, what a joke. oh wait, you got some events too WOOOOO

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by unknown

pretty much all you can do on classic.

As opposed to doing it on UN?

[unknown]

Originally Posted by Rufus

As opposed to doing it on UN?

doing what? pking and sparring? we have normal hit detection. its a hell of a lot more organized, and theres more people active to pk and spar. events? always events going on, and they are damn good. castlewars is pretty fun too. oh and wait theres actually an economy!

[unknown]

lol 2 votes to leave it as is, we know thats Dark Cloud and Master Storm because they don't want to make an effort.

bring back the original levels and leave hit detection? oh thats laura and shes proud of it....pfft

[BlackSolider]

Redoing all those levels would take forever.

I was told before that adding in a default system would also be problematic since it doesn't fit in with our current system or w/e (I don't script.) Someone knowledgeable in classic's scripts estimate how long it would take to convert our system to a default HD (or at least a better HD than we already have,) and everyone else stfu until then.

[unknown]

I'm done for the day bickering with DC and Rufus in their pointless debates. If you don't like what the players want, let the server die fully and stop wasting your time since you've wasted 5 years already.

all I know is WOW at your trading card game, that makes me literally roll on my floor and laugh, almost as bad as stefans release of skill games or whatever.

[BlackSolider]

Originally Posted by unknown

If you don't like what the players want

The players of other servers...

[MysticX2X]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

The players of other servers...

The players of this game...

He's entitled to his opinion but he may be asking a bit too much.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by BlackSolider

The players of other servers...

First off, those votes could mostly be current classic players for all you know.
Second, its potential players regardless
Third, almost every vote wants the HD changed.
Fourth, why do you guys insist on using the same argument that is totally irrelevant?
Fifth, wow.

[Tyhm]

I don't get why default movement would require redoing anything. The current extant material would just require adding (to the classes, I should think)

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As for the pyramid, gimme my tools and I'll convert it myself, I'm a bit sick of this bickering. Are the arrows "shoot" projectiles clientside, oldschool shootarrows, or serverside projectiles? 's all that'll matter much. I guess without the ratform one of the puzzles will need a different solution, unless someone else wants to grab that.

[Bell]

Originally Posted by Tyhm

As for the pyramid, gimme my tools and I'll convert it myself, I'm a bit sick of this bickering. Are the arrows "shoot" projectiles clientside, oldschool shootarrows, or serverside projectiles? 's all that'll matter much. I guess without the ratform one of the puzzles will need a different solution, unless someone else wants to grab that.

Last time I checked you had your tools. I added you to Classic staff myself at Thors request.

Ratform already exists on the server.

[unknown]

Originally Posted by Tyhm

I don't get why default movement would require redoing anything. The current extant material would just require adding (to the classes, I should think)

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function onwashot() onhoweveriwasdoinghitdetection(); 


As for the pyramid, gimme my tools and I'll convert it myself, I'm a bit sick of this bickering. Are the arrows "shoot" projectiles clientside, oldschool shootarrows, or serverside projectiles? 's all that'll matter much. I guess without the ratform one of the puzzles will need a different solution, unless someone else wants to grab that.

Finally someone who will at least attempt to make a difference.

[xnervNATx]

Originally Posted by unknown

Finally someone who will at least attempt to make a difference.

finally???

i knew some day thym was going to come back and save his old home server!!!

go bless thym lolol

[-Ramirez-]

Originally Posted by Tyhm

As for the pyramid, gimme my tools and I'll convert it myself

Have fun with that!

[Tyhm]

PS - if I do this, I'm fixing your damn baddies. They can synch up serverside all they like, but they absolutely must take and deal damage clientside, and they must take the right goddamn number of hits! THIS IS CLASSIC, if we're not doing it right who the hell is?!

[MysticX2X]

Think of it this way...I've mentioned it on RC to a couple:

If the old overworld is converted, that's taking a years worth of time for potential new things. We could roll out 5+ quests in that time (If DC was damn active again). The current overworld is fine. It just needs more meat.

Default systems idea should be done, but I dont know how much converting to it would affect current classic levels.

[Bell]

Tyhm, I don't work for Classic. I'm just the lucky one that gets to listen to everyone complain regardless of what anyone does or tries to do. Storm and Thor are the managers. DC (who is active btw, ignore Mystic) is currently the Dev admin and just as frustrated as everyone else. Speak to Thor, I know you have contact with him.