Frankie

[zim5354]

First off I would like to state Frankie and myself basically do not know each other, the only common interest we share (that I know of) is we use to play Era around the same time. Second I was not asked to post this by anyone and it is my opinion and anyone mentioned was not consulted beforehand.

Now to the real post, I believe Frankie is in the best position to manage the server. He knows the server's past, he was active on Era during its glory days, he knows what is needed to restore Era to its former status, he previously held a staff position, and finally him just being appointed manager would draw other oldbies back to the server.

I believe the current staff team are the result of a crony system and other old useless staff who have managed to keep their position on the staff team due to their hours and name dropping alone. There are of course some exceptions to this, but too many names have been in this position to long with way to little results.

I do not want this to appear to be a flame on Deophite, as far as I can tell by his post's he is a good guy and I do admire him for having a plan for Era and that is much better then many of the previous managers ::cough::ningnong and jenn::cough::. But sadly my admiration does not cause me to like his plan, I believe it is changing Era to much to the point that it is no longer Era. Another problem I have with Deophite is he was and still is relatively inexperienced with Era when compared to someone like Frankie.

I have no idea how good Frankie is at developing, although I would be willing to bet he has above basic knowledge in at least one area of developing. But I do believe he could properly manage and guide a staff team into reconstructing and fixing Era's laundry list of problems.

I'm not going to make this a poll asking the community to vote, I simply would like to ask the community to voice their opinion's about who you believe would make the best manager and why. I really would like this to not turn into a flame fest or "LAWL MY FRIEND 4 MANAGER PLOZX"! thread, so that PWA's take us seriously for once, and if they don't I guess it really shows what direction this game is heading, and the mindset of those running it.

[Elizabeth]

deophite's doing a fine job, we don't need a new manager.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

deophite's doing a fine job, we don't need a new manager.

"We"?

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Crono

"We"?

yes, "we".

[Frankie]

I appreciate the support. Even though I don't play as much as I used to it's good to see that there are still players that want to see me as manager.

Unfortunately, even if the position was offered to me right now I don't think I would take it. It's been over 4 months since I quit and I've lost interest in the server and even Graal in general. HoudiniMan completely ripped out any motivation I had as a staff member when he denied me the manager position 4 months ago. Since then I haven't really cared much about the server. Sure I complain about numerous things which would lead one to believe I still care, but I don't care enough to do anything about it.

Although you may disagree with Deophite's plans for the server, a manager change is the last thing Era needs right now. I don't entirely agree with everything that's being done right now either and I'm sure there are many other players that feel the same way. If I was put into management I would probably not want to go through with these plans which means development would start from square one, again.

There are players that support me but not Deophite, and there are players that support Deophite but not me. So at this point it doesn't really matter who is manager. Era just needs someone to lead the server in the right direction whether or not everyone agrees with what's being done, which is what Deophite is doing right now. Even though there's a lot of disagreement regarding his views on the server, at least something is being done, and everyone should appreciate that.

[Nataxo]

I supported you alot.

But... It didnt happen lol :[

[MiniOne]

Deophite is doing a good job as a manager, bringing in a new manager may confuse players, I advise you remain with your current manager and once he resigns or gets fired, then Frankie should have an attempt to obtain the position of manager. If he does I'd support him though I have quit Era.

[pig132]

zim u sure are on frankies lap alot

[Stokell88]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

deophite's doing a fine job, we don't need a new manager.

That made me laugh out loud.

-On Topic

It is a shame that frankie doesn't want to / can't be manager of Era. He would steer it in the right direction i'm sure. As zim said, he's and oldbie, who knows era and the players, and would attract some older player back, who have left because some of the new staff have no clue what to do with Era.

[Ace_Ciprioni]

Deo is a good manager? how he doesnt reply on AIM, he dont reply on player. or RC. hes never on and hes always on UN. how the hell you gona give a classic/un newb manager of era? this is what happens when classic/un newb globals get involved with servers they have never even step foot on. Deo will probobly kill era. and i want wait till he does to laugh in every ones face for being so ignorant.

[TheMaestro]

Yes.
Make Frankie Manager and ban Ace.

And all of his rasta friends.

[Frankie]

I've always wondered if Deo even wanted the manager position. It seems to me that Houdini just gave it to him because nobody else at the time was qualified for manager especially after Sales quit. The only reason why Deo has anything to do with Era is because his spot as the GP Chief was supposed to be some sort of evaluation before they made him a PWA. I'm pretty sure the last thing he expected when trying to get PWA was winding up as Era's manager.

[Shotoo2]

Originally Posted by Frankie

especially after Sales quit.

Don't forget that I resigned as well.

[Stokell88]

Originally Posted by Shotoo2

Don't forget that I resigned as well.

Thank god.

[Sage_Shadowbane]

Quite frankly (Haha I said frankly.. how ironic) I don't think Deo is a very suitable Manager. Not because of who he is or where he plays most. But for the simple fact that it doesn't seem like he enjoys doing what he's doing, nor does it seem as if he is very "cozy" to the community with which he lies. In my opinion a Manager should be very "open-ended" and by that meaning that they should be open and more than willing to do what is necessary to improve the server, and they should also be open to what the players want. By what i've seen, Deo doesn't very much seem like he cares much as to what the players of the server think. I know if I was Manager, if a player had a good opinion on something, it would matter more than mine tbh. But I don't know, there isn't much you can do about him being Manager so might as well leave it as is.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Ace_Ciprioni

Deo is a good manager? how he doesnt reply on AIM, he dont reply on player. or RC.

he's busy managing a server. a manager is ALL staff positions. most managers on most servers won't reply.

Originally Posted by Ace_Ciprioni

hes always on UN.

the last time i saw him on un was maybe a week ago? god forbid he plays other servers

Originally Posted by Ace_Ciprioni

Deo will probobly kill era. and i want wait till he does to laugh in every ones face for being so ignorant.

no, you're being ignorant. you're exaggerating details about him. you can't even give him a chance, and you're calling us ignorant?

[Aldaris]

I'm not sure of his plans, but he hasn't done anything negative (so far), so I see no reason to replace him. I do wish he was more active (as far as player relations go), but some managers are just too busy / lazy to respond, and that's fine. He hasn't done an awful job, and I'm curious to see what he can do to improve the server.

[Sage_Shadowbane]

Originally Posted by Aldaris

I'm not sure of his plans, but he hasn't done anything negative (so far), so I see no reason to replace him. I do wish he was more active (as far as player relations go), but some managers are just too busy / lazy to respond, and that's fine. He hasn't done an awful job, and I'm curious to see what he can do to improve the server.

Too lazy is fine.. ? Since when? I highly disagree with you there and i'm sure that many others would too. I mean tending to business and embracing your laziness are two totally different things. I can understand if someone presents inactivity due to personal business matters, but being lazy is far from acceptable in my opinion.
And Elizabeth.. why do you keep referring to Deophite as "us" and "we"? Deophite is his own person and the Manager of Era, whereas you are not so you should probably try not referring to a person as "us" and "we" unless you are infact Deophite or a part of him.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Sage_Shadowbane

And Elizabeth.. why do you keep referring to Deophite as "us" and "we"? Deophite is his own person and the Manager of Era, whereas you are not so you should probably try not referring to a person as "us" and "we" unless you are infact Deophite or a part of him.

example please.

[Nataxo]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

he's busy managing a server. a manager is ALL staff positions. most managers on most servers won't reply.

Well he should, and Since the Administrator isn't around, he should hire a secretary

[DazJenova]

You have no idea what its like being a manager, so many pm's and the work you do if you are one of those that likes to develop, i dount Deo ignores anyone it's just hard to do alot at once.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by DazJenova

You have no idea what its like being a manager, so many pm's and the work you do if you are one of those that likes to develop, i dount Deo ignores anyone it's just hard to do alot at once.

I was never manager but I was still really close and I probably had just as many messages as the manager did. In all honesty, it's way over rated.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Nataxo

Well he should, and Since the Administrator isn't around, he should hire a secretary

no, he shouldn't have to. he has a million other PMs to attend to, your's is probably as important as the person below you who pmed him.

[Deophite18]

Originally Posted by Ace_Ciprioni

Deo is a good manager? how he doesnt reply on AIM, he dont reply on player. or RC. hes never on and hes always on UN. how the hell you gona give a classic/un newb manager of era? this is what happens when classic/un newb globals get involved with servers they have never even step foot on. Deo will probobly kill era. and i want wait till he does to laugh in every ones face for being so ignorant.

I answer 8/10 PM's I get. The ones I don't answer right away are usually because I am preoccupied. Often times the person I answer doesn't like my answer and continually pm's me about the same subject. This is when I start to ignore them because at that point talking to them is a waste of my time. There is a difference in this and flat out ignoring someone.

You aren't one to complain Ace. What other Manager would have given you the chance I did with the history that you have? It's unfortunate that you once again blew it and are back where you started. This is obviously the root of your sudden hostility towards me.

Originally Posted by Frankie

I've always wondered if Deo even wanted the manager position. It seems to me that Houdini just gave it to him because nobody else at the time was qualified for manager especially after Sales quit. The only reason why Deo has anything to do with Era is because his spot as the GP Chief was supposed to be some sort of evaluation before they made him a PWA. I'm pretty sure the last thing he expected when trying to get PWA was winding up as Era's manager.

Your right. The Manager position was thrown into my lap. I didn't ask for it nor did I expect to get it. However, I acknowledged Era had a problem and needed help so I accepted the job in order to steer things in the right direction. I am trying my best to keep all the staff active and in line while making sure Dev continues at a steady pace.

Originally Posted by Sage_Shadowbane

Quite frankly (Haha I said frankly.. how ironic) I don't think Deo is a very suitable Manager. Not because of who he is or where he plays most. But for the simple fact that it doesn't seem like he enjoys doing what he's doing, nor does it seem as if he is very "cozy" to the community with which he lies. In my opinion a Manager should be very "open-ended" and by that meaning that they should be open and more than willing to do what is necessary to improve the server, and they should also be open to what the players want. By what i've seen, Deo doesn't very much seem like he cares much as to what the players of the server think.

I have a bitter sweet relationship with Era. I probably play on client there less then any other staff but I still have fun sometimes. It's more about business for me though which can be mundane at times. I am open minded and I listen to the players. Although, I like give each Department Chief a bit of sovereignty in their respective divisions. I don't intervene unless I feel it is absolutely necessary. It is also easier for me to evaluate them this way.

Originally Posted by Sage_Shadowbane

I know if I was Manager, if a player had a good opinion on something, it would matter more than mine tbh.

I am all for some constructive criticism, but were you not the one who wanted to try and become Manager when Houdini was around and you were a LAT? Then you ended up being fired for trying to wreck the server forcing us to do a rollback. So, forgive me if I do not except your criticism as well as the others.

Originally Posted by Stokell88

Thank god.

He did good at PR Admin k thx

[Sage_Shadowbane]

Originally Posted by Deophite18

I am all for some constructive criticism, but were you not the one who wanted to try and become Manager when Houdini was around and you were a LAT? Then you ended up being fired for trying to wreck the server forcing us to do a rollback. So, forgive me if I do not except your criticism as well as the others.

Actually no, I didn't "Try" to become Manager at all to be honest. I simply told Tigarius that I would have liked to have held the position, than after seeing how much of the staff team consisted of idiots, I decided to "wreck" the server if that's what you want to call it. Although I never even tried to wreck the server, I simply spawned myself money for personal use. But either way, I see in no way at all how your statement has any relevance to what I was saying about accepting players opinions.. please explain?

[DarkRenji]

You spawned everone on the server like 15 mil, Unless im thinking of the wrong person.

[pig132]

i spawned 5 gajillion rupees wassup

[Sage_Shadowbane]

Originally Posted by DarkRenji

You spawned everone on the server like 15 mil, Unless im thinking of the wrong person.

Yes you are thinking of the wrong person, I spawned MYSELF money. Thrash was the one who spawned everyone money, which I specifically told him not to do and he did it anyways.

[LordSquirt]

Originally Posted by Sage_Shadowbane

Actually no, I didn't "Try" to become Manager at all to be honest. I simply told Tigarius that I would have liked to have held the position, than after seeing how much of the staff team consisted of idiots, I decided to "wreck" the server if that's what you want to call it. Although I never even tried to wreck the server, I simply spawned myself money for personal use. But either way, I see in no way at all how your statement has any relevance to what I was saying about accepting players opinions.. please explain?

I remember you warping into peoples houses and taking their items. I think you even even traded the items from which you took from peoples houses to get some other items. You say you weren't wrecking anything on the server, however, ruining isn't ruining the economy and stealing peoples items considered as wrecking the server

[zim5354]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

the last time i saw him on un was maybe a week ago? god forbid he plays other servers

Funny I don't remember ever seeing him on Era, before or after he became manager.

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

no, you're being ignorant. you're exaggerating details about him. you can't even give him a chance, and you're calling us ignorant?

He has been manager for a while now, nothing has changed. Us stating that nothing has changed is not ignorant, nor is disagreeing with the direction he wants to take Era in. Just because someone doesn't support your idea doesn't make them ignorant it just means they don't like your idea.

Originally Posted by MiniOne

Deophite is doing a good job as a manager, bringing in a new manager may confuse players, I advise you remain with your current manager and once he resigns or gets fired, then Frankie should have an attempt to obtain the position of manager. If he does I'd support him though I have quit Era.

When a manager resigns or gets fired that means they let a server fall so far into decay that either they or their superiors know that it cannot be salvaged, I really would like to avoid that happening with Era.

Deo from your post it seems you want whats best for Era. I have nothing against you and as far as I can tell nor does anyone else, your even admired because of your determination to make Era a better server. But simply we just doubt your lack of experience with a server as unique as Era and we believe the direction your taking the server in would ruin Era by transforming it into something completely different. Era and its players are very different from any server on Graal, meaning Era has to be managed differently then any server on Graal. Anyway sadly so far it seems like your just repeating the mistakes of past managers because you were not present to learn from their errors like other qualified members of the community were.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by zim5354

Funny I don't remember ever seeing him on Era, before or after he became manager.

funny, i remember seeing him on almost every time i was on era, and i'm on era everyday. he's answered my questions, and has responded to my PMs.

[LordSquirt]

Originally Posted by zim5354

Deo from your post it seems you want whats best for Era. I have nothing against you and as far as I can tell nor does anyone else, your even admired because of your determination to make Era a better server. But simply we just doubt your lack of experience with a server as unique as Era and we believe the direction your taking the server in would ruin Era by transforming it into something completely different. Era and its players are very different from any server on Graal, meaning Era has to be managed differently then any server on Graal. Anyway sadly so far it seems like your just repeating the mistakes of past managers because you were not present to learn from their errors like other qualified members of the community were.

You make it sound like he doesn't take anyone's suggestions. If you believe something should be done why don't you just PM him your ideas, or a development person your ideas and then they will be regarded. I believe the Dev Server is also going to be open to the public, therefore, if you have anything to contribute you can.

[pig132]

man look @ u guys haha

[DazJenova]

Fact of the matter is the Dev server will be open once the systems are working correctly on it, then people can input their ideas to make it alot better. I'm tired of seeing these "This Manager sucks" threads, stop trying to remove every single manager who's managed era just because you don't "see" the work that's being done on Dev and on RC. Maybe's not alot on Era atm but i can sure damn tell you that we have alot on Dev and a few little things on era currently aswell. Bottom line is Deo is doing a good job and is making sure every staff is acive and doing something, also making sure the Dev server is getting developed on a steady pace so get off his **** and wait till things are complete, then you will take back what ever you say regarding the work we've put in.

PS : It takes a staff team to develop a server not just "ONE" manager so it's not the managers fault if they are constantly telling people to do stuff and stuff doesen't get done that much, this is different on the other hand stuff gets done really fast with the team we have now.

[zim5354]

Originally Posted by DazJenova

PS : It takes a staff team to develop a server not just "ONE" manager so it's not the managers fault if they are constantly telling people to do stuff and stuff doesen't get done that much, this is different on the other hand stuff gets done really fast with the team we have now.

Its what he is telling them to do that is wrong, I already said Deo is a good manager but just believe he is taking the server in the wrong way. Also you cant blame people for not having hope in work getting done? Remember many previous managers promised new Era and changes only for them to quit a few months later.

[Shotoo2]

Originally Posted by zim5354

Funny I don't remember ever seeing him on Era, before or after he became manager.

Funny, I saw him on Era all the time when I was his boss. Maybe you just weren't paying attention.

Originally Posted by zim5354

When a manager resigns or gets fired that means they let a server fall so far into decay that either they or their superiors know that it cannot be salvaged, I really would like to avoid that happening with Era.

That isn't necessarily true, especially in the case of a manager's resignation.
People have lives outside of Graal, y'know.

[papajchris]

Originally Posted by zim5354

Its what he is telling them to do that is wrong, I already said Deo is a good manager but just believe he is taking the server in the wrong way. Also you cant blame people for not having hope in work getting done? Remember many previous managers promised new Era and changes only for them to quit a few months later.

Tons is being done on dev, i don't understand why you want it to change. The new gmap, new scripts, new ideas, new everything besides the basis of Era. Now i don't work on Dev, so dont attempt to use my words against the staff working hard on it; but its what ive been shown and such.

Also to the point of this thread, Idk frankie so i can't really saying if hes better or not. But, saying he is an oldbie is NOT an arguement nor will that mean old players will come back. I'm getting kind of tired of people saying that they want old Era. Ive played Era off and on since 2001, and to be honest I HATED the older Era's aside from a few things. Looking back though, there hasnt been ANY major updates that i can really think of that are original or creative. (im sure their may be some, but none come to mind immeditaley). Stuff is finally being done now, big updates, just give it a chance...

[salesman]

Frankie knows what Era needs and he knows how to get it done. He has experience in both managing AND development. However, he kind of blew his chances when he quit (even though houdiman was pretty much out to get him).

If Frankie joined the staff team, I could (and would want to) see him given manager if something happened to Deophite, but I don't think there's even the slightest chance that the PWAs would make him manager out of the blue.
would be nice though

[xJenn]

Lol sadly, Deo isn't getting PWA. So I guess he's sticking around for quite sometime. With what Frankie said on the first page, I do believe it's unfair on other people that he was able to be slotted into Era Staff without even knowing anything about Era at all. Sure it was ok that he was there to watch over the abuse etc, but it was stupid that he was able to even get PROMOTED after his job was supposed to be done after EC quitted with everyone else.
I also question if he really wanted this job in the first place.

[Deas_Voice]

Originally Posted by xJenn

With what Frankie said on the first page, I do believe it's unfair on other people that he was able to be slotted into Era Staff without even knowing anything about Era at all.

as manager or any job? (haven't read the post.)
i think you could get a job without knowing anything about the server is a challenge.