Your Idea to fix Eras Economy.

[jkool666]

Originally Posted by kia345

Jesse, I already told you why your idea sucked.

Originally Posted by jkool666

How so? An item runs out, a player is immediately forced to find another player who has that weapon and is willing to sell/trade it (at a higher cost because the weapon will be more-rare).

I still fail to see this won't promote trading and player communication...

[James]

Make it so the really expensive guns that are powerful are hard to upkeep, and expensive to repair. And the cheap guns are relatively easy to upkeep so poor players can not be crippled just because they don't have a lot of money. Create gun licenses for low-damage, medium-damage, high-damage, and ultra-damage guns that you have to renew every so often? This way a bunch of powerful guns aren't always on the street and it's making so the rich people have to spend money to have those powerful weapons. You could also probably put some kind of tax on the licenses for events.

[Andre2006]

You should have to pay taxes for every job you do, and if I smuggle some greenlings I should get free pass please?

[kia345]

Originally Posted by jkool666

I still fail to see this won't promote trading and player communication...

Ok.

Strong guns that are sought after now become harder to use because they break faster. Weaker ones last longer. Firstly, this is unrealistic. But that much doesn't matter.

If the strongest gun breaks after 30 shots, there's less incentive to buy it. Which means people won't be trying to work through a playerrun market to get that good gun, they'll settle for weaker guns that last longer. People won't need to communicate as much, because there's less of a reason to get involved with other players seeing as the guns that people actually want, weaker ones with more durability, are easier to obtain. No one's going to try and get the strong ones that quickly fall apart quickly when you can get a 12 gauge that lasts several months worth of pk'ing.

Or, the weak ones replace the strong ones as expensive guns, in which case, nothing at all happened to the economy.

[jkool666]

Originally Posted by James

Make it so the really expensive guns that are powerful are hard to upkeep, and expensive to repair.

I thought about repairs but I think they would be a bad idea. THAT would lead to lack of trading. There shouldn't be a method of fixing the weapons, they need to get use for a GOOD amount of time then disapear completely.

Originally Posted by kia345

Strong guns that are sought after now become harder to use because they break faster. Weaker ones last longer. Firstly, this is unrealistic. But that much doesn't matter.

I already said that having the strong ones break quickly was a bad idea? Everything breaks at the same rate.

[Freudian_slip]

Weapons that break would be lame as Hell in my opinion. I don't want to have to keep repairing my ****. If all guns are sold in stores and there are no rare guns, there isn't a need for **** to break. Guns shouldnt cost a **** ton of money anyway, it should be the "extras" that are costly in money because they arent a main part of the server so people won't HAVE to work their ass off for everything on the server, just the extras like buying a business/gang building/cars to travel from city to city/gang items/etc

To me, if guns arent rare I couldnt give a rats ass about money, only for ammo. Personally I don't give a rats ass about money now because all i use is a taurus. Make it so money isn't such a HUGE factor in the game and it won't be a damn problem.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by jkool666

I already said that having the strong ones break quickly was a bad idea? Everything breaks at the same rate.

In that case, value doesn't change at all, except now you expect rich people to buy more guns and poor people to buy more guns. Now you're just making rich and poor both lower, but still with gaps between them.

[Rave_J]

Honestly why reset now ok only 1 person has 1 mil on era
the guns go cry even after the reset the guns will be value with guns ect
the guns still cost so much people say if 1 person has a mil cuz
value of guns there like a fn2k is worth 200k and a axe is worth 200k
so if some guy was like selling sten and
he gets fn2k and a axe then he's like alrite sten is worth 400k
so no matter what the economy will fail ez to make money honestly its not hard to make money and the guns will just go up now i think the item trader and party system should be remove and the speed levels cuz it mess with the pking and stabling the economy better

[James]

Originally Posted by jkool666

I thought about repairs but I think they would be a bad idea. THAT would lead to lack of trading. There shouldn't be a method of fixing the weapons, they need to get use for a GOOD amount of time then disapear completely.

I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea. I'm not saying the weapons should break all that often, I'm saying that they should break after a certain amount of use and be repairable (you could even create more jobs in that market, player owned gun repair stores?). Or they could be repairable a certain amount of times (25-30?) and then be destroyed completely and you can recycle the parts for some sort of random amount of money (25 percent of weapons retail value>x)

If the problem is the rich just keep getting richer, it would stable out the market if strong weapons had some sort of upkeep attached to them. I don't think it would hinder the value of strong weapons at all, or create less trading. It's just my input though, I've never played Era a whole lot, but I am definitely familiar with the server.

[Freudian_slip]

A reset is needed for a ton of reasons besides money. Guns can't be fully balanced/nerfed/etc at the moment because of their current prices in the market, so Masa is pretty much powerless to fix the weapons so they aren't so damn ridiculous. Other than that which is MY main reason for wanting a reset is Gangs/Businesses will be taking a whole new turn and well, after a reset no one can say "You cant take away my gang/business!" because it's a whole new Era after a reset. If we did it pre-reset (at least way before the reset), everyone would probally complain they lost their gang/business by us just taking it from them.

Personally I love resets. I don't see eevryones problem with starting over unless you own a business/gang that you actually enjoy.

[Freudian_slip]

P.S.
Breakable weapons to me would kill the server for me. i don't want to have to repair my weapon or buy a brand new one because I PK too much with it. I'm fine with buying ammo for it and having all the weapons in shops with no rare guns (more expensive guns in shops, sure...but no rares)...but why make them breakable? To "save the economy"? Bull****. Thats just going to annoy people to Hell.

[Elizabeth]

so could someone tell me what's wrong with the economy to begin with?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

so could someone tell me what's wrong with the economy to begin with?

Tons of illegally obtained money in the economy.

[salesman]

Originally Posted by kia345

Yeah, enjoying mediocrity is totally in right now

Mediocrity? Last I checked Era has one of the highest playercounts on Graal...economy screwed or not, people seem to enjoy it. Log on for 10 minutes and you'll have atleast 20 mass messages from people selling/trading items -- enjoying the economy as is.

I'd be willing to bet the playercount would drop dramatically if your plans to completely get rid of a 'realistic economy' were implemented. Some of your ideas are good, and should definitely be looked at and/or considered, but completely changing what makes Era, "Era", for a lot of people is not a good idea at all.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Crono

Tons of illegally obtained money in the economy.

how was the money obtained?

[salesman]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

how was the money obtained?

Spawning, duping, glitching...multiple cases, too

All known bugs have been fixed though..kind of

[kia345]

Originally Posted by salesman

Mediocrity? Last I checked Era has one of the highest playercounts on Graal...economy screwed or not, people seem to enjoy it. Log on for 10 minutes and you'll have atleast 20 mass messages from people selling/trading items -- enjoying the economy as is.

I just said they were enjoying it (it being mediocre). In fact, what I just quoted is pretty much exactly what I said. The economy is mediocre, yet people enjoy it. Aren't you a talented individual?

[salesman]

Originally Posted by kia345

I just said they were enjoying it (it being mediocre). In fact, what I just quoted is pretty much exactly what I said. The economy is mediocre, yet people enjoy it. Aren't you a talented individual?

e:And I was simply saying your ideas would turn mediocrity into total ****

[deathbarrier99]

Originally Posted by kia345

I just said they were enjoying it (it being mediocre). In fact, what I just quoted is pretty much exactly what I said. The economy is mediocre, yet people enjoy it. Aren't you a talented individual?

You do nothing but come on Era's threads and insult people.

If you really have nothing b etter to do go buy a dinosaur jigsaw puzzle and then try to entertain yourself.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by deathbarrier99

You do nothing but come on Era's threads and insult people.

If you really have nothing b etter to do go buy a dinosaur jigsaw puzzle and then try to entertain yourself.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...7&postcount=16

I came into Era's threads with not one, but three very well thought out ideas. I can't expect Era's community to read that many lines of text though, you'd probably get lost. Is that it?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by kia345

In closing: Having a "real-world economy" is the reason Era's economy keeps sucking and having to reset. Realistic economies = bad.

How can you say this is the reason when everyone already knows the real reason why Era's economy continues to require a reset? Even in your little world, what happens when a player begins to dup money?

That's the reason no one is taking you seriously, because you don't know what you're talking about. You came here stating:

Originally Posted by kia345

I don't have any knowledge of the 'economic situation' that Era is in now.

And it really did show.

[kia345]

Originally Posted by Crono

How can you say this is the reason when everyone already knows the real reason why Era's economy continues to require a reset? Even in your little world, what happens when a player begins to dup money?

The money is easily lost (not just spent) to other players.

That's the reason no one is taking you seriously, because you don't know what you're talking about. You came here stating:

That wasn't "lol i dont know what's going on", it was "lol i dont see why its so bad"

And it really did show.

I tried to help, my bad.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by kia345

I tried to help, my bad.

It's all good.

[Ace_Ciprioni]

My idea to fixing era completely. close the server for 1 week just to have enough time to profect all this. Upload a backup of era from when chrisz was manager. not when he left but durring his prime time as Manager. dont have these back ups you say??? i do. upload it make some very very very small edits. Reset the players open the server and call it a day. think about it Era was amazeing when first released. when chrisz got it, it had more players then its EVER had. chrisz leaves. then from there it slowly went down the toilet.

Old Era > what the staff THINK new era is gona be. > what new era realy is..... a dump

[salesman]

Originally Posted by Ace_Ciprioni

My idea to fixing era completely. close the server for 1 week just to have enough time to profect all this. Upload a backup of era from when chrisz was manager. not when he left but durring his prime time as Manager. dont have these back ups you say??? i do. upload it make some very very very small edits. Reset the players open the server and call it a day. think about it Era was amazeing when first released. when chrisz got it, it had more players then its EVER had. chrisz leaves. then from there it slowly went down the toilet.

Old Era > what the staff THINK new era is gona be. > what new era realy is..... a dump

Great idea
ace4manager!
/sarcasm

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by Ace_Ciprioni

My idea to fixing era completely. close the server for 1 week just to have enough time to profect all this. Upload a backup of era from when chrisz was manager. not when he left but durring his prime time as Manager. dont have these back ups you say??? i do. upload it make some very very very small edits. Reset the players open the server and call it a day. think about it Era was amazeing when first released. when chrisz got it, it had more players then its EVER had. chrisz leaves. then from there it slowly went down the toilet.

Old Era > what the staff THINK new era is gona be. > what new era realy is..... a dump

the difference in today's community and the community in the past also have an effect on the economy, so that won't entirely work.

[Aldaris]

To add, you cannot compare new Era to Era when it was first "re-released."

Naturally, it is going to contain more players because its a "new" server, rather than a server that's years old.

[Ace_Ciprioni]

no one likes new era..... the people who are here have basicly always been here. and the new players. dont know of old Era. Eras lucky to pull 100 players in a day. Chrisz used to pull close to 250 players every day. every one loved Old Era. it was perfect. the problem with "new era" is there trying to be to realistic while not remembering its a game. yet at the same time theres so many unrealistic things. Old Era > New Era

take it back to its prime time and it will yet again be prime. think of how many player we lost when all the old things were changed. OLD ERA FOR THE WIN!

[LordSquirt]

Originally Posted by Ace_Ciprioni

no one likes new era..... the people who are here have basicly always been here. and the new players. dont know of old Era. Eras lucky to pull 100 players in a day. Chrisz used to pull close to 250 players every day. every one loved Old Era. it was perfect. the problem with "new era" is there trying to be to realistic while not remembering its a game. yet at the same time theres so many unrealistic things. Old Era > New Era

take it back to its prime time and it will yet again be prime. think of how many player we lost when all the old things were changed. OLD ERA FOR THE WIN!

See this is the problem. Graal in general is going down in players not JUST Era. Usually, Era is always on the top of the playercount though, therefore, you can't say people dislike Era.

[moondeath]

Originally Posted by LordSquirt

See this is the problem. Graal in general is going down in players not JUST Era. Usually, Era is always on the top of the playercount though, therefore, you can't say people dislike Era.

That's mostly true but not about the player count Era/Zodiac's player-count fight each other a lot sometimes UN is up there as well but the problem is people are less interested because there isn't enough content on graal or if there is it isn't original or exciting enough. We desperately need more people to start developing to expand graal so it doesn't just die but because there are cheap people like me paying for graal can be a bit of a pain or I would at least be trying to help UC servers still.

As far as the Era economy goes a lot of the staff members are responsible for it being the way it is as well as other problems, some staff are so lazy and impatient they won't even take time to make small changes to scripts instead they would rather block off a whole chunk of content, they need to be whipped into shape, however in my condition I can't do much because I haven't touched a script in so long but if I could even without RC I would try my best to help if only there was a staff member willing to do something, I don't want the place to die, I mean I have in the past offered to fix things before but some of the staff ARE EVEN TOO lazy to take the time to give them say this is a script problem just a snippet of where they think the problem is or even the whole script to be fixed and then they can go over it and no it's not just me I know of many other people who have offered to donate work to Era and the staff members either refused or were just entirely to lazy to mess with it. =.=

[papajchris]

Its not the content on graal imo, its the price. Isn't it like 50 dollars a year to play graal? Screw that, I'd go play xbox 360 or some other game. And im confused moondeath, was it not you who took items from other peoples houses instead of reporting the abusing staff member? Or did you give your other acct to someone and it was him? I dont see how that is helping.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by Ace_Ciprioni

no one likes new era..... the people who are here have basicly always been here. and the new players. dont know of old Era. Eras lucky to pull 100 players in a day. Chrisz used to pull close to 250 players every day. every one loved Old Era. it was perfect. the problem with "new era" is there trying to be to realistic while not remembering its a game. yet at the same time theres so many unrealistic things. Old Era > New Era

take it back to its prime time and it will yet again be prime. think of how many player we lost when all the old things were changed. OLD ERA FOR THE WIN!

we can all agree that old era was a lot better than it's current state now. it's just not that easy to bring it back.

[DKH89]

It kinda drives me nuts how much thought some of u people put into the "economy" of a 2d game.

Okay now that i said that lets bash me

[Tytan]

Originally Posted by DKH89

It kinda drives me nuts how much thought some of u people put into the "economy" of a 2d game.

Okay now that i said that lets bash me

Bash

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Ace_Ciprioni

no one likes new era.....

i like the new era, you can't make generalizations like that

[Aldaris]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

i like the new era, you can't make generalizations like that

You're a relatively new player to Era, correct?

I think he was using that comparison for people who have experienced "both worlds." (And if you have, than I apologize).

To me, old Era was packed with alternatives that didn't make it necessary to spar, PK, or raid 24/7. Jobs have become inactive, and they are now useless (due to the economy), and the world of Era seems much smaller and less diverse to me, and I'm sure it does to many players also. This has a great deal to do with the players and the overall economy, but I wouldn't be one to vote against change, and I hope it happens soon.

[deathbarrier99]

I wish someone would give me .0000001 cents everytime someone worthlessly used the word 'economy' so I could go buy a new car.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Aldaris

You're a relatively new player to Era, correct?

fairly new. new or not- you can't make generaliztions like that.

[Tytan]

Originally Posted by deathbarrier99

I wish someone would give me .0000001 cents everytime someone worthlessly used the word 'economy' so I could go buy a new car.

i could buy a house, or a new jet!!