Make it non-gold

Curt1zzle · #1 02-09-2009, 02:12 AM

Or it's going to die.

kia345 · #2 02-09-2009, 02:14 AM

The few trials we have as it is are obnoxious enough, I don't think we can handle more than 6 of those things running around.

Curt1zzle · #3 02-09-2009, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by kia345

The few trials we have as it is are obnoxious enough, I don't think we can handle more than 6 of those things running around.

You can allow it to be classic and disable trial accounts on it, or restrict them to a trial island where you start at.

Tigairius · #4 02-09-2009, 02:18 AM

We have plans to make Graal Kingdoms friendlier for trial accounts but have no plans of making it non-gold.

CABAL49 · #5 02-09-2009, 02:22 AM

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If I was asked a few months ago I would have said yes. But Kingdoms just went through a huge management change. Development is actually happening. But I do think people who have been playing longer should get a discount for resubscribing like in the old days.

I think I might just save this for every one of these threads.

kia345 · #6 02-09-2009, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

We have plans to make Graal Kingdoms friendlier for trial accounts but have no plans of making it non-gold.

Trial island

Tigairius · #7 02-09-2009, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by kia345

Trial island

Better

Curt1zzle · #8 02-09-2009, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

We have plans to make Graal Kingdoms friendlier for trial accounts but have no plans of making it non-gold.

Delaying the inevitable.

Crono · #9 02-09-2009, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

We have plans to make Graal Kingdoms friendlier for trial accounts but have no plans of making it non-gold.

Ok have fun with the 10-20-something average playercount.

Stephen · #10 02-09-2009, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Curt1zzle

Delaying the inevitable.

We're releasing quarterly updates; it will be addressed in the coming update.

Elizabeth · #11 02-09-2009, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

We have plans to make Graal Kingdoms friendlier for trial accounts but have no plans of making it non-gold.

enjoy the playercount going up to an average of 10

knightfire35 · #12 02-09-2009, 03:00 AM

I think this is a good idea.

CABAL49 · #13 02-09-2009, 03:17 AM

This Tigairius administration has been effective in their short time. Right now I am going to wait and see what they have decided before I judge Kingdom's situation.

Crono · #14 02-09-2009, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CABAL49

This Tigairius administration has been effective in their short time. Right now I am going to wait and see what they have decided before I judge Kingdom's situation.

It won't be as successful because I don't think they can fix it so that people will actually pay to play it. I was impressed with GK in 2002. But that was 7 years ago, the novelty of having 3D terrain and those relatively high-quality graphics have long worn out. On top of that, it's not the only server with an RPG system anymore so the way I see it, it'll have a hard time competing.

BigBear3 · #15 02-09-2009, 04:03 AM

Fluff the playercount.

The more people online the worse. I enjoy my choppy little community.

FenixTheBanished · #16 02-09-2009, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BigBear3

Fluff the playercount.

The more people online the worse. I enjoy my choppy little community.

/signed QFT.

If you havent noticed Crono, which you dont even play GK, but half the players have been playing for 3-7 years and have come back FOR the community. Not the playercount, not the price, not the items. We come back because of the friends we've made and the nostalgia of it, so please take the suggestions elsewhere. This topic has already been addressed and we already said no. And who are you Curt or w/e your name is? I havent even seen you before and i guarantee you know nothing of the situation, so please keep moving along to another server.

James · #17 02-09-2009, 04:54 AM

A non-gold clone should be released, and then all the people that purchased gold can stay on the gold one if they don't want all the trials. Win.

Googi · #18 02-09-2009, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Curt1zzle

Or it's going to die.

The only people that would expand access to is people who still have lifetime classic subscriptions. Subscriptions are unified now. You can't buy just a playerworlds subscription anymore. You HAVE to buy access to GK.

Ravenblade1979 · #19 02-09-2009, 05:33 AM

Another one of these topics.

Plain and simple IT WILL NEVER BE FREE OR NON GOLD.

If you haven't noticed ITS LISTED AS A GOLD SERVER. There is a reason for this. If you don't have the money to get the gelats to upgrade to get the full benefits then don't bother playing.

@original poster: Have you taken into account the fact that people have school/work to attend and aren't on all that much. I have seen the difference in playercount from the school/college year to summer vacation.

Its just the time of year is all. By summer the playercount will be up again.

Making it non gold is just going to turn it into another zodiac (with a different system in place). If I start playing again and this happens I wouldn't even bother spending the $50 canadian to get the gelats to grab my subscription. I would find it an absolute waste.

kia345 · #20 02-09-2009, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BigBear3

Fluff the playercount.

The more people online the worse. I enjoy my choppy little community.

Seconded, but I would like to see more faces on GK. It's fun to meet the new people that just recently get started on the server. Just so long as there's not 20~ of them.

TheSpude_P2P · #21 02-09-2009, 11:06 AM

If Graal Kingdoms was on the Classic Player list I could see it as the #1 server = D

MiniOne · #22 02-09-2009, 11:14 AM

xD i think I've played GK like two times oO and everytime i was on the playercount was at like 20 which seriously sucked id be wondering around and couldn't find anyone

But what do you think a non - gold server can accomplish, and what about the older players who have paid for it and then POOF it becomes a free server? like i'd be like OMFG why'd i waste my money when its just free now. I agree with whoever said give older players a discount or whoever has paid for p2p a discount each time they resubscribe, and bring back the ability to pay for both classic and gold separately cause alot of players who play classic don't actually pay for the gold servers which gelats are supposedly meant to be used on.

Also making it non-gold would mean you would need to make zone none gold as well

TheSpude_P2P · #23 02-09-2009, 11:19 AM

Well Graal Kingdoms and Zone don't deserve to be Gold anyways!

MiniOne · #24 02-09-2009, 11:21 AM

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Well Graal Kingdoms and Zone don't deserve to be Gold anyways!

Soo True... xD Zodiac and Era would make better Gold Servers then Zone and Gk are at the moment... maybe they should make Zodiac and Era Gold Servers and Make Zone and GK into Classic till they make these two servers have a higher playercount then 40 at peak...

TheSpude_P2P · #25 02-09-2009, 11:57 AM

Anything that is labeled a "Gold Server" and needs to be paid to play on Graal will always have a lower playercount. Most people are smart enough not to pay for garbage.

TSAdmin · #26 02-09-2009, 12:41 PM

Won't happen, I can pretty much garuntee it. Zone and Graal Kingdoms are too unique in standards for Stefan to just let them lose out on money from the people who do pay just for those servers seperately. If the "Classic" style were less popular, I'm sure it also would have been thrown up there a loong time ago, but it set the standard for the "Classic" tab and it's the more used format. I have yet to visit a server in my travels where someone is developing a GK/Zone style server. I think xZirox was the last person I saw working on one.

TheSpude_P2P · #27 02-09-2009, 12:46 PM

Ah, TSAdmin...the best PWA Graal has to offer. FINE! Whatever TSAadmin says I had better listen or he may jump me. I've seen him eyeball me. (Off topic? indeed.)

Rufus · #28 02-09-2009, 03:49 PM

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Zone and Graal Kingdoms are too unique in standards for Stefan to just let them lose out on money from the people who do pay just for those servers seperately.

Zone and Graal Kingdoms are unique in style, but far from unique in standards. People don't pay for the servers separately either, they come in one package now, bundled with access to "Classic" servers too. I think that they should just do away with this "Gold" and "Classic" server business and rename it to "Official" and "Player" worlds.

MajinDragon · #29 02-09-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by James

A non-gold clone should be released, and then all the people that purchased gold can stay on the gold one if they don't want all the trials. Win.

A clone with ****ty features and gfx, and Bjorn running development.

Crimson2005 · #30 02-09-2009, 06:49 PM

Can someone explain how making it non-gold will do more harm than good? A "tight-knit" community may be good for somewhere like Classic or N-pulse but I think Kingdoms is a type of server where it needs a lot of players to let people play properly and things like the economy to keep running smoothly.

I think some of you just enjoy the fact that you have a gold account and that makes you feel that extra bit special than those who don't own one, am I right or not?

Dan · #31 02-09-2009, 08:25 PM

It might be a good idea to make Zone and GK non-gold. Perhaps it will make both player counts grow again, who knows? Gold memberships could be re-added after a certain period anyway. I vote yes.

James · #32 02-09-2009, 08:26 PM

I still think the best way would be to create clones of the servers, but have the new ones reset just to test the waters out a little.

xXziroXx · #33 02-09-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Googi

The only people that would expand access to is people who still have lifetime classic subscriptions. Subscriptions are unified now. You can't buy just a playerworlds subscription anymore. You HAVE to buy access to GK.

Bingo.

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Originally Posted by TSAdmin

I have yet to visit a server in my travels where someone is developing a GK/Zone style server. I think xZirox was the last person I saw working on one.

Mythic had it's own style, with it's own sprites. I'm still looking for anyone willing to continue that project, considering I ditched it for Maloria.

James · #34 02-09-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Mythic had it's own style, with it's own sprites. I'm still looking for anyone willing to continue that project, considering I ditched it for Maloria.

How far a long was your battle system?

xXziroXx · #35 02-09-2009, 08:32 PM

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How far a long was your battle system?

It was pretty much completed, then we broke it when trying to make the code more flexible, and never got around fully rewriting it.

Bell · #36 02-09-2009, 08:38 PM

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It might be a good idea to make Zone and GK non-gold. Perhaps it will make both player counts grow again, who knows? Gold memberships could be re-added after a certain period anyway. I vote yes.

I have to agree. I think we need to simplify and reduce the number of subscription types to make it easier for new players coming in and to reduce the massive playerbase spread thats happening now. I'm not exactly sure how it should be tabbed though as Classic servers use a different subscription method all together. It would sort of lump Gold servers with Hosted under a Playerworlds type heading and they don't really fit there either.

Tigairius · #37 02-09-2009, 08:40 PM

I agree that right now the subscription system isn't the best, but chances are it's not going to change. I don't think moving Zone and GK over to classic is going to make any more money to (maybe) influence them to change the subscription system.

Subscribing should be as simple as possible, otherwise people will say "forget it!"
I can count several people I know who refuse to pay for Graal due to a lot of confusion:

A) "If I upgrade then I will lose my classic subscription!" See? This is what happens when you start taking classic subscriptions without documenting it well. Just for the record this is FALSE. You do not lose your lifetime classic if you upgrade to gold...

B) "I can't even log in on the website, it automatically logs me out" Nothing here to blame but the website itself for not handling the cookies well enough.

C) "It's too confusing" The website IS confusing. I support unixmad, Stefan and Graal a lot, but I have to say, I can't support the website.

These are the most common reasons people don't upgrade, it's not the price of subscriptions that's the problem.

I will list a few things that are more expensive than Graal that we do quite a lot more frequently:

- The average person spends more than $40/week on groceries & food. (This is based off of the friends I've asked)
- Filling a tank of gas lately takes more than $40 depending on your car.
- Things like the average phone bill costs sometimes $60/m
- A console game usually costs $60, how long does that entertain you? Sometimes 3 months if it's really good. How long does Graal entertain you? Indefinitely.

I agree Graal needs to see more updates and changes to the system to become more successful, however, making more free things won't help the situation.

Elizabeth · #38 02-09-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpude_P2P

If Graal Kingdoms was on the Classic Player list I could see it as the #1 server = D

me also.

Crimson2005 · #39 02-09-2009, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigairius

These are the most common reasons people don't upgrade, it's not the price of subscriptions that's the problem.

I think the main reason people don't upgrade is because of the price. Graal is not worth what we have to pay for. So many games out there that are either cheaper or free and we get so much more for our money

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I will list a few things that are more expensive than Graal that we do quite a lot more frequently:

- The average person spends more than $40/week on groceries & food. (This is based off of the friends I've asked)
- Filling a tank of gas lately takes more than $40 depending on your car.
- Things like the average phone bill costs sometimes $60/m

Those things are necessities, Graal is not necessity. Some of us can actually live without Graal. Lots of things are inexpensive and easily affordable but that doesn't mean that I should go out and waste my money on them.

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How long does Graal entertain you? Indefinitely.

It doesn't really. It's Windows Live Messenger with swords.

Tigairius · #40 02-09-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Crimson2005

Those things are necessities, Graal is not necessity. Some of us can actually live without Graal. Lots of things are inexpensive and easily affordable but that doesn't mean that I should go out and waste my money on them.

The point is, things like necessities are more expensive than a leisure activity, as it should be. If it was $5/m would you be more inclined to upgrade? Because that's about the going price for Graal right now, except you pay in bulk. It's really inexpensive.