Lending of Items

[salesman]

Originally Posted by natey_440

If scamming is legal then why does Era have so many GPs?

Era has 9 GPs, what do all of them do? Nothing!

A lot of them are inactive, and the ones without RC can't do anything anyways.

Originally Posted by natey_440

Illegalize Scamming, you guys put no effort towards doing anything.

I'm not even going to say anything, that's just ignorance.

Originally Posted by natey_440

Sales, all you do is worth on that god damned event bot when you could be doing something productive for the server.. Era has loads of Event Team members.

I work on the EventBot during my free time, or when I'm bored. Yes, we do have ETs, but there are times when none of them are online and people complain about it -- that's where the EventBot comes in.

Originally Posted by natey_440

Mange, I never see him on.. and I need to talk to him.

No comment. I think he's busy with school.

Originally Posted by natey_440

Deo, allows cross server trading? Great! Something that's illegal on Graal is legal on one server.

From what I've been told, it is not illegal according to several other servers and Graal Online -- but I haven't looked in to it.

Originally Posted by natey_440

Who is it that allows usding, but when he sees people selling for usd bans them? I'm not going to name any names, because this is what I have heard..

PWAs unbanned a few people that were banned for "USDing" and told us that it's not the USDing that is illegal, but the discussion/advertising of it via graal. So basically, if you organize it outside of Graal there's really nothing we can do.

Originally Posted by natey_440

Era is going down hill, and era is going down hill fast. You guys need some updated staff, that know what is going on.

Just about everything you've said is innacurate, so this last statement holds zero credibilty...gtfo if you don't like it.

[natey_440]

Originally Posted by salesman

A lot of them are inactive, and the ones without RC can't do anything anyways.



I'm not even going to say anything, that's just ignorance.



I work on the EventBot during my free time, or when I'm bored. Yes, we do have ETs, but there are times when none of them are online and people complain about it -- that's where the EventBot comes in.



No comment. I think he's busy with school.



From what I've been told, it is not illegal according to several other servers and Graal Online -- but I haven't looked in to it.


PWAs unbanned a few people that were banned for "USDing" and told us that it's not the USDing that is illegal, but the discussion/advertising of it via graal. So basically, if you organize it outside of Graal there's really nothing we can do.



Just about everything you've said is innacurate, so this last statement holds zero credibilty...gtfo if you don't like it.

So your okay with having inactive staff? Don't see where Era will be going now, hrm.. now all staff know that they can be inactive and not be fired.

[natchez416]

f you could even do as much as start banning people for > month each time they scam it would make them think twice before scamming. You wouldn't even have to deal with restoring the item then.
It would still be nice if you could restore the item though.

problem number two comes from people taking advantage of the fact that scamming is illegal to get other people in trouble. It has happened several times when a player would give someone an item, and then pm a staff member that they got scammed.

Era is going down hill, and era is going down hill fast. You guys need some updated staff, that know what is going on.

This is probably the brightest eras future has looked in years. You obviously have no clue what you're talking about. I suggest that everyone with half a brain migrates over to the unofficial forums where people like this will not be tolerated.

[DarkRenji]

Originally Posted by natey_440

Deo, allows cross server trading? Great! Something that's illegal on Graal is legal on one server.

Lol!
I saw 2 kids on zodiac saying " Trading Era items for zodiac" and attempted to tell them they would get there self in trouble and they told me "No I wont deo made it legel!"
I thought they were lying, but I guess not... deo is only going to get people banned of other servers or scammed out the ass.

[natey_440]

Originally Posted by natchez416

This is probably the brightest eras future has looked in years. You obviously have no clue what you're talking about. I suggest that everyone with half a brain migrates over to the unofficial forums where people like this will not be tolerated.

You sir, are a retard.

No Era staff are too lazy to fix minor bugs with the tileset, you need to go to that 'other' forum.

Staff are too lazy to put tiles on the winter tileset, correct I am.

Go on Unholy Nation.

[Freudian_slip]

Originally Posted by DarkRenji

The hell, comparing these to each other....

If Drugs were allowed in the world, it would be a alot worse off,
since we are comparing them I guess thats why era is right?

I hope you know how much of a ******* you are for saying that. Drugs will be around no matter what anyone does, why would it make a difference if it's illegal other than us not spending millions of dollars trying to stop it? Not to mention it's their body, why do you care?

But catching scammers doesn't take millions out of my pocket each year, so they aren't really compareable other than you'll never stop ethier.

[DarkRenji]

Originally Posted by Freudian_slip

I hope you know how much of a ******* you are for saying that. Drugs will be around no matter what anyone does, why would it make a difference if it's illegal other than us not spending millions of dollars trying to stop it? Not to mention it's their body, why do you care?

But catching scammers doesn't take millions out of my pocket each year, so they aren't really compareable other than you'll never stop ethier.

Because I dont want some druged up ****ie running over kids?
It might be there body, but what it does affects other people as well.

Do I really need to explain to you what it would be like to have crack heads running freely around?

[Freudian_slip]

How many people do you honestly think would do crack if it was legal? I highly doubt youd go outside and see half the people smoking a crack pipe when you walked outside. Not to mention murder is illegal already, so running over kids would still give them a life sentence. People already drink to the point where they are brain dead and pass out on the streets. Not to mention there will still be anti-drug commericals and parents riding your ass not to do drugs. Peoplea rnet going to run out and do it jsut because it's legal.

[natchez416]

But catching scammers doesn't take millions out of my pocket each year, so they aren't really compareable other than you'll never stop ethier.

The comparison I made wasn't to do with money so much as it was to the wasted effort that could be spent doing better things.

By the way the war on drugs is causing more harm than good. Because by by banning a substance you automatically hand it over to organized crime and the black market. These criminal organizations become very powerful from the billions of dollars they rake in each year from the illegal sale of drugs. And then of course with the potential billions of dollars to be made in this market and the fact that there is no police force or government to regulate/control it, there is inevitably endless violence.

and thats just a start of a long list of problems with the war on drugs.

But heres how you know this war will never be anywhere close to successful:
Ask anyone who has been in prison, from a super max to a little jail house, and they'll tell you that you can get every kind of drug imaginable in there. If you can get all those drugs in a super max prison how the hell will they ever stop us from getting the stuff out here on the streets ? This proves that no matter how many walls you build. No matter how many Cameras you install or how many cops you put out on the street you will never be able to stop people from getting what they want. Supply and demand... If there is a demand for it there will always be someone willing to supply it.

I feel very passionate about this topic and couldn't resist the temptation to go on a rant. Sorry for the derail.

[Nataxo]

Originally Posted by Freudian_slip

I hope you know how much of a ******* you are for saying that. Drugs will be around no matter what anyone does, why would it make a difference if it's illegal other than us not spending millions of dollars trying to stop it? Not to mention it's their body, why do you care?

But catching scammers doesn't take millions out of my pocket each year, so they aren't really compareable other than you'll never stop ethier.

in most cases, if you make drugs legal eventually the society will notice the extremly bad changes and will do something about it.

[natey_440]

Rofl, Era will just stay the same, people will get scammed.. then quit.

BAD ON PLAYERCOUNT!

Duh, make scamming illegal.

If your GPs don't want to go through logs hire someone that will!

[salesman]

Originally Posted by natey_440

So your okay with having inactive staff? Don't see where Era will be going now, hrm.. now all staff know that they can be inactive and not be fired.

I am the Dev Admin, I do not handle GPs or any other Player Services-related staff members.

[Deophite18]

Originally Posted by DarkRenji

Lol!
I saw 2 kids on zodiac saying " Trading Era items for zodiac" and attempted to tell them they would get there self in trouble and they told me "No I wont deo made it legel!"
I thought they were lying, but I guess not... deo is only going to get people banned of other servers or scammed out the ass.

Can you not post anymore until you go on Era press N and real all the rules carefully under Information.

[DarkRenji]

Originally Posted by Deophite18

Can you not post anymore until you go on Era press N and real all the rules carefully under Information.

I found that you need to update your rules.

"3. Scamming, in general, is allowed on Era. There are safety procedures in place to keep trades secure. If you are scammed simply because you failed to use the procedures in place, you will <b>not be compensated. [Reference 2] <b>Always check the Scammers List before trading with somebody. There are two (2) exceptions to this rule and staff members should monitor both instances."


How do I check something that hasnt been on era in a month?

Can you not post anymore until you are sure the rules are updated

[salesman]

Originally Posted by DarkRenji

Can you not post anymore until you are sure the rules are updated

Why are you calling him out on something irrelevant to this thread? The scammers list was removed because it is, in fact, completely useless when scamming is legal.

Deophite was referring to this:

Originally Posted by Era rules

5. Cross Server Trading is now legal on Era. However, it is "Buyer Beware" and staff on Era and any other playerworld are not responsible for any lost items. It should only be done with players whom you trust. This new rule ONLY includes the trading of items from server to server. Advertising money trades (USD) for items is still illegal.

[natey_440]

Originally Posted by salesman

Why are you calling him out on something irrelevant to this thread? The scammers list was removed because it is, in fact, completely useless when scamming is legal.
:

I think you should bring the scammers list back, just to make players aware of scammers. Help them out a little bit..

That'd help era a bit.

[salesman]

Originally Posted by natey_440

I think you should bring the scammers list back, just to make players aware of scammers. Help them out a little bit..

That'd help era a bit.

The problem is that it was inaccurate, and not updated very often. The truth is, just about EVERYONE scams on Era...

[CharlieM]

Wasn't the scammers list put in sometime after scamming was made legal, Scamming has been legal for a long time if I am thinking right

[salesman]

Originally Posted by CharlieM

Wasn't the scammers list put in sometime after scamming was made legal, Scamming has been legal for a long time if I am thinking right

I'm not sure exactly, but it has been there for a while, and was rarely updated.

[natey_440]

It was updated roughly every 3-4 months, maybe adding one account..

The statement about just about everyone scams, yes that is so true.

I've gotten scammed by someone who I trusted way to much, I have already been scammed three times on Era. I started back two days ago.

[DarkRenji]

Originally Posted by salesman

Why are you calling him out on something irrelevant to this thread?

Well seeing as this thread is about scamming, its not irrelevant.

[salesman]

Originally Posted by Deophite18

Apparently there has been some confusion between players and staff regarding the rules about lending items to other players, so I am here to clarify. Since scamming is legal, lending item's to other players is done at your own risk.

It should only be done between people whom you really trust. You should not ask a GP or an Admin to watch a lending trade because it defeats the purpose of the scamming rules, and if you end up losing an item you let someone borrow it will NOT be restored.

The purpose of this thread was to inform, and it has been done. Closed.