Classic Conversion - Page 2

Crono · #41 10-20-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Shouldn't matter if you play Classic or not

Too bad it does.

xXziroXx · #42 10-20-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

Too bad it does.

Says you, sure, but is that the majority? According to this thread, no, it's not.

Rufus · #43 10-20-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Says you, sure, but is that the majority? According to this thread, no, it's not.

Is an upload of a bunch of outdated levels, NPCs and quests from 2000-2002 going to 'fix' the server? No, it's not.

xXziroXx · #44 10-20-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

Is an upload of a bunch of outdated levels, NPCs and quests from 2000-2002 going to 'fix' the server? No, it's not.

No, it's definitely not, which is why the material would have to be updated to today's standards if it were to be done.

Rufus · #45 10-20-2008, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

No, it's definitely not, which is why the material would have to be updated to today's standards if it were to be done.

I'm pretty sure I was the only person who said that, while the rest jumped on a bandwagon of "BRING BACK SOMETHING WE DIDN'T EVEN PLAY!" which is what Crono responded to.

xXziroXx · #46 10-20-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

I'm pretty sure I was the only person who said that, while the rest jumped on a bandwagon of "BRING BACK SOMETHING WE DIDN'T EVEN PLAY!" which is what Crono responded to.

I'd rather assume people just voted for a GtA revival, with everything that comes with it.

Rufus · #47 10-20-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

I'd rather assume people just voted for a GtA revival, with everything that comes with it.

Ignoring the fact that public opinion on this matter has never really affected anything, most people just want something back that they have good memories from. People think Graal The Adventure would be better than what is currently on Classic, which is not necessarily the case.

jorollychu · #48 10-21-2008, 12:14 AM

graal the adventure had bowling and everything current classic has + more how could it not be better????

maximus_asinus · #49 10-21-2008, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jorollychu

graal the adventure had bowling and everything current classic has + more how could it not be better????

This is true.

GtA is so large it could keep the average player exploring for days/weeks without them entering every level or finding every secret. The lack of content is a big reason why we cannot attract new players and why servers like UN keep them (also if we brought back the old content it would bring back a few old faces aswell). I don't understand why the idea of restoring old content is such a bad idea (now and back when it was first suggested). The current server has had four years to develop and it is a tenth of the size of GtA. This server only serves as a reminder to everyone that Classic failed (well those who have no vested interest in the server's development) and has no real chance of recovering... it might even be one of the reasons why Graal as a whole is going down the tubes.

jorollychu · #50 10-21-2008, 07:58 AM

Luda told me this week he had converted half of the server's levels to be npc server compatible before master storm told him to stop doing it.

DustyPorViva · #51 10-21-2008, 08:12 AM

I've offered to MS to convert the whole overworld to NPC-server compatible and GS2.

Knightess · #52 10-21-2008, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Crono

You

don't

play

classic.

Actually,
I played classic back in 01, BEFORE it got messed up.

Originally Posted by xXziroXx
Shouldn't matter if you play Classic or not

Originally Posted by Crono
Too bad it does.

Even though I dont really play classic anymore, I'm still going to throw my support for restoration of old classic.
Maybe you dont see that this "new classic" is the REASON I dont play classic anymore?

DustyPorViva · #53 10-21-2008, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Knightess

Actually,
I played classic back in 01, BEFORE it got messed up.
Maybe you understand why I want it back now?

Classic wasn't that great back then, though, admittedly. I do remember it was pretty fun the first couple of weeks questing with others and such... but the quests were terrible. They were either broken, or not fun. The only reason you did the quests were for the prizes. Afterwards, what did you really do? You hung around level14 or such. You looked for stuff to do with others. I don't remember doing much else back in those days other than interacting with others in one or two levels. Everything really revolved around the community.

Do you think if that was brought back, that same atmosphere would return? I highly doubt it. You can't really bring back what Graal offered back then, but there is a ton you can do to improve the crap that's there now. I can't even get into Classic right now even though I'm trying because the hit-detection is so damn bad. There's also one very important factor that we just can't revive -- the fact Graal was free back then. Standards were pretty low back then, because... well, Graal was free. Who were we to complain?

My theory is to take the server when it was at its peak, convert it, then to treat it like it was being treated back then -- just adding on and improving what is there. Instead of revamping the whole overworld, add and fix it up. Also, I'd like to see the old quests changed in odd ways and such so that they're familiar, yet completely new. Remove a lot of the nobody playerhouses and let new players fill them in. Treat the server like a server in need of expanding instead of changing.

Knightess · #54 10-21-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Classic wasn't that great back then, though, admittedly. I do remember it was pretty fun the first couple of weeks questing with others and such... but the quests were terrible. They were either broken, or not fun. The only reason you did the quests were for the prizes. Afterwards, what did you really do? You hung around level14 or such. You looked for stuff to do with others. I don't remember doing much else back in those days other than interacting with others in one or two levels. Everything really revolved around the community.

Do you think if that was brought back, that same atmosphere would return? I highly doubt it. You can't really bring back what Graal offered back then, but there is a ton you can do to improve the crap that's there now. I can't even get into Classic right now even though I'm trying because the hit-detection is so damn bad. There's also one very important factor that we just can't revive -- the fact Graal was free back then. Standards were pretty low back then, because... well, Graal was free. Who were we to complain?

My theory is to take the server when it was at its peak, convert it, then to treat it like it was being treated back then -- just adding on and improving what is there. Instead of revamping the whole overworld, add and fix it up. Also, I'd like to see the old quests changed in odd ways and such so that they're familiar, yet completely new. Remove a lot of the nobody playerhouses and let new players fill them in. Treat the server like a server in need of expanding instead of changing.

I agree with you in some parts,

Granted we want this to be appealing to the new players eyes too,
Which is what Classic Was, I remember joining as a newb

Now granted the majority of people who come back may be oldbies,
But whats more unappealing to a newbie than a deserted server?

TSAdmin · #55 10-21-2008, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Crono

You don't play classic.

Maybe the reasons they say something is the same reason they "Don't play classic" anymore?

Deophite18 · #56 10-21-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

I've offered to MS to convert the whole overworld to NPC-server compatible and GS2.

If you REALLY offered this and he REALLY didn't accept, then i don't really know what to say about him at this point.

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

My theory is to take the server when it was at its peak, convert it, then to treat it like it was being treated back then -- just adding on and improving what is there. Instead of revamping the whole overworld, add and fix it up. Also, I'd like to see the old quests changed in odd ways and such so that they're familiar, yet completely new. Remove a lot of the nobody playerhouses and let new players fill them in. Treat the server like a server in need of expanding instead of changing.

This sounds good to me. To bad classic's MANAGER stopped posting on this thread all a sudden. Some feedback from him would be nice *looking at you Storm*

jorollychu · #57 10-21-2008, 10:27 AM

remember what luda said deo he was converting stuff

Crono · #58 10-21-2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TSAdmin

Maybe the reasons they say something is the same reason they "Don't play classic" anymore?

I can wager that most don't play it anymore because they never really did. If people's definition of "I PLAYED CLASIK BAK IN LIEK 02 LOL" is logging on for a few hours then hopping back off, then I played Classic as well in 2000. The server itself is better today than it ever was, but the community is not. The community is not something you can fix, everyone disappeared after Graal went fully p2p and I doubt most of them would come back even if Graal were to be free again.

xXziroXx · #59 10-21-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono

I can wager that most don't play it anymore because they never really did.

I can't remember what year it was, but I for one definitely played during the Graal the Adventure era. I remember playing once or twice before it, but I didn't really have a regular Internet connection so I quickly deleted it. I "found it again" after a friend in my class talked about it, and his little brother invited me to their guild "Swedish Vikings" which they had created. Good old times!

jorollychu · #60 10-21-2008, 07:45 PM

how is the server better now than it was in 2004???? what is there now that 2004 didnt have? some GC levels? we dont even have things as simple as hovercrafts anymore.

Crono · #61 10-21-2008, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jorollychu

how is the server better now than it was in 2004???? what is there now that 2004 didnt have? some GC levels? we dont even have things as simple as hovercrafts anymore.

Events are everything these days.

Knightess · #62 10-21-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

I can't remember what year it was, but I for one definitely played during the Graal the Adventure era. I remember playing once or twice before it, but I didn't really have a regular Internet connection so I quickly deleted it. I "found it again" after a friend in my class talked about it, and his little brother invited me to their guild "Swedish Vikings" which they had created. Good old times!

Remember the races? Vampire, Zorbi, etc.
But they removed the races and turned it into GTA, which was still good.

Mark Sir Link · #63 10-21-2008, 10:28 PM

which race had the speed boost, I picked that one

DustyPorViva · #64 10-21-2008, 10:28 PM

The races were terrible, to be honest.

Mark Sir Link · #65 10-21-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

The races were terrible, to be honest.

yes but magic was awesome

Graal the Adventure PLSSS

Polo · #66 10-21-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Deophite18

If you REALLY offered this and he REALLY didn't accept, then i don't really know what to say about him at this point.

I don't recall the offer specifically (certainly at least not in great deal), though plenty of people have offered so there's a good chance it happened. I probably said the same as I did to Luda, that until I could see some concrete progress I'd be very skeptical about committing to a project with such a high risk of not delivering.

If people genuinely want to put the time in to convert the old stuff then this is fine, but understand that Classic was losing players before we switched to NPC server. Regardless of whether the old content is better or not, I have reservations that it will attract players in the long term. This is why I'm much more positive about quests and landmarks being converted rather than the whole lot. It's much less total work whilst still getting the majority of the benefits.

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Originally Posted by Deophite18

This sounds good to me. To bad classic's MANAGER stopped posting on this thread all a sudden. Some feedback from him would be nice *looking at you Storm*

I've never been one to make a lot of posts. But just because I don't post in a thread does not mean I'm not reading it. I have my own views on where I think Classic should go, and anyone who has taken the time to ask me about them has gotten a full and honest answer. Classic has never been about what I want though; it's a combination of what the players want and what is realistically possible. There have been some good suggestions and ideas made in this thread, but it's clear to me that there's a massive variety of views. Whilst ultimately we all want a better Classic, no-one seems to agree on one definitive way to achieve it.

I was playing Classic before the millennium; we didn't even have events or an events team back then. Those were some of the times I enjoyed most: not because of the content, but because of the community.

DustyPorViva · #67 10-21-2008, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Polo

I was playing Classic before the millennium; we didn't even have events or an events team back then. Those were some of the times I enjoyed most: not because of the content, but because of the community.

People pretty much made their own events.

draygin · #68 10-21-2008, 10:35 PM

Nor do we have cool things like the fighting fish. Also there are pretty much no secret areas left in the game. Half the fun I had playing Classic back in the day with all of the secrets you could discover. One of the coolest being the Black Gelat worth 100k... I understand why it was taken it out but man was it awesome finding it.

That along with the ability of finding any number of secret passageways that lead through out the server. That or the trident by saying phantasmagoria in the room in destiny.

Not to mention there was an insane amount of quests compared to what little remains now. One thing I've been wondering is why the heck is there so many Red Dragon Inn's on the server? I've seen something like 3 of the same exact inn.

It was also cool when the rat form was taken out but by going into a certain building and going into rooms in a certain order made it so that you where able to get in the old levels and complete the quest for it.

The fact is a ton of quests and items have been taken out and only a fraction of those have been replaced. Things that did nothing to break the game but where incredibly fun. The various types of boots such as reverse boots and items such as the suicide dagger.
Fun things that gave no advantage over other players. I was never one to hang out in level14.graal myself and I've never really seen the appeal. I played on Classic for over a year and a half and only changed because a friend dragged me to another server to check it out and then my old guild fell apart shortly after that.

Edit: Players making their own events was pretty cool. The biggest that I remember and probably my favorite was when a bunch of people started playing as Confederate and Union and went to war against each other. The whole server became a big battle ground for that nights activities.

Mark Sir Link · #69 10-21-2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Polo

If people genuinely want to put the time in to convert the old stuff then this is fine, but understand that Classic was losing players before we switched to NPC server. Regardless of whether the old content is better or not, I have reservations that it will attract players in the long term. This is why I'm much more positive about quests and landmarks being converted rather than the whole lot. It's much less total work whilst still getting the majority of the benefits.

I'll interpret the beginning of that paragraph has meaning you've given permission for people to begin converting older content.

Polo · #70 10-21-2008, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Sir Link

I'll interpret the beginning of that paragraph has meaning you've given permission for people to begin converting older content.

Yes, more than once. I encourage the updating of old quests/landmarks heavily. Converting the whole old server entirely is a different scale of job altogether though, and one needs to consider if it will actually bring players in (given that it was losing them before).

DustyPorViva · #71 10-21-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Polo

Yes, more than once. I encourage the updating of old quests/landmarks heavily. Converting the whole old server entirely is a different scale of job altogether though, and one needs to consider if it will actually bring players in (given that it was losing them before).

Pretty hard when you don't actually give anyone anything to work with.

Darklux · #72 10-22-2008, 06:30 PM

The question is:

Won't that just be another playerworld revival which has proven to fail nearly every time?

DutchGuy · #73 10-22-2008, 06:58 PM

lets leave classic as it is. the server is full of oldbies left-overs and does not attract new players. It has been struggling for years now on how to improve itself.
The upcoming years new servers will arise and eventually the servers that are now popular will go down the drain to.
Many people will leave this game as the majurity of graal is way to old to be even playing this game. This will result in a lack of experience in developers meaning the game will shut down. Stefan already has his money.

DustyPorViva · #74 10-22-2008, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DutchGuy

lets leave classic as it is.

You mean the laggy, crippled version it is now? You can't even PK or spar because it uses serverside detection.

Everything done on the current version has been done in some convoluted matter when it could have been done a lot simpler. There was no reason to rescript the entire damn system, and if there was it shouldn't have taken the direction it has.

jorollychu · #75 10-23-2008, 09:55 AM

races were awesome but unbalanced instead of improving them they just scrapped them. lame

maximus_asinus · #76 10-23-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jorollychu

races were awesome but unbalanced instead of improving them they just scrapped them. lame

Yeah, vampires had speed boosts and healing if they killed high AP players. I remember guild warring under the Baddies tag by myself in Babord and cleaning up because I'd quickly get low AP and become a one man wrecking crew as long as a few high APers were around (and whenever Ventrue was around you would be sure that Sting, Bell, and a few others would be fighting with 90+ AP).

-Ramirez- · #77 10-26-2008, 02:44 PM

I'm amazed that there's still a decent amount of people interested in the old content and still with the drive to get it restored.

Galdor · #78 10-26-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by -ramirez-

i'm amazed that there's still a decent amount of people interested in the old content and still with the drive to get it restored.

kaaat!!!!! <3

maximus_asinus · #79 10-27-2008, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by -Ramirez-

I'm amazed that there's still a decent amount of people interested in the old content and still with the drive to get it restored.

Dude, everyone is interested in the old content except for the people in charge.