Classic Conversion

[Rufus]

Idiots.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Unkownsoldier

Who cares things change get over it.

You

Originally Posted by Knightess

DO IT DO IT DO IT
Salvage the greatness that graal once was

don't

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

*Waves flag* Go team "Graal the Adventure"

play

Originally Posted by DuBsTeRmAn

I support it! :O

classic.

[Knightess]

Originally Posted by Crono

You



don't



play



classic.

Actually,
I played classic back in 01, BEFORE it got messed up.

Originally Posted by xXziroXx
Shouldn't matter if you play Classic or not

Originally Posted by Crono
Too bad it does.

Even though I dont really play classic anymore, I'm still going to throw my support for restoration of old classic.
Maybe you dont see that this "new classic" is the REASON I dont play classic anymore?

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Knightess

Actually,
I played classic back in 01, BEFORE it got messed up.
Maybe you understand why I want it back now?

Classic wasn't that great back then, though, admittedly. I do remember it was pretty fun the first couple of weeks questing with others and such... but the quests were terrible. They were either broken, or not fun. The only reason you did the quests were for the prizes. Afterwards, what did you really do? You hung around level14 or such. You looked for stuff to do with others. I don't remember doing much else back in those days other than interacting with others in one or two levels. Everything really revolved around the community.

Do you think if that was brought back, that same atmosphere would return? I highly doubt it. You can't really bring back what Graal offered back then, but there is a ton you can do to improve the crap that's there now. I can't even get into Classic right now even though I'm trying because the hit-detection is so damn bad. There's also one very important factor that we just can't revive -- the fact Graal was free back then. Standards were pretty low back then, because... well, Graal was free. Who were we to complain?

My theory is to take the server when it was at its peak, convert it, then to treat it like it was being treated back then -- just adding on and improving what is there. Instead of revamping the whole overworld, add and fix it up. Also, I'd like to see the old quests changed in odd ways and such so that they're familiar, yet completely new. Remove a lot of the nobody playerhouses and let new players fill them in. Treat the server like a server in need of expanding instead of changing.

[Knightess]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Classic wasn't that great back then, though, admittedly. I do remember it was pretty fun the first couple of weeks questing with others and such... but the quests were terrible. They were either broken, or not fun. The only reason you did the quests were for the prizes. Afterwards, what did you really do? You hung around level14 or such. You looked for stuff to do with others. I don't remember doing much else back in those days other than interacting with others in one or two levels. Everything really revolved around the community.

Do you think if that was brought back, that same atmosphere would return? I highly doubt it. You can't really bring back what Graal offered back then, but there is a ton you can do to improve the crap that's there now. I can't even get into Classic right now even though I'm trying because the hit-detection is so damn bad. There's also one very important factor that we just can't revive -- the fact Graal was free back then. Standards were pretty low back then, because... well, Graal was free. Who were we to complain?

My theory is to take the server when it was at its peak, convert it, then to treat it like it was being treated back then -- just adding on and improving what is there. Instead of revamping the whole overworld, add and fix it up. Also, I'd like to see the old quests changed in odd ways and such so that they're familiar, yet completely new. Remove a lot of the nobody playerhouses and let new players fill them in. Treat the server like a server in need of expanding instead of changing.

I agree with you in some parts,

Granted we want this to be appealing to the new players eyes too,
Which is what Classic Was, I remember joining as a newb

Now granted the majority of people who come back may be oldbies,
But whats more unappealing to a newbie than a deserted server?

[Deophite18]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

I've offered to MS to convert the whole overworld to NPC-server compatible and GS2.

If you REALLY offered this and he REALLY didn't accept, then i don't really know what to say about him at this point.

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

My theory is to take the server when it was at its peak, convert it, then to treat it like it was being treated back then -- just adding on and improving what is there. Instead of revamping the whole overworld, add and fix it up. Also, I'd like to see the old quests changed in odd ways and such so that they're familiar, yet completely new. Remove a lot of the nobody playerhouses and let new players fill them in. Treat the server like a server in need of expanding instead of changing.

This sounds good to me. To bad classic's MANAGER stopped posting on this thread all a sudden. Some feedback from him would be nice *looking at you Storm*

[Polo]

Originally Posted by Deophite18

If you REALLY offered this and he REALLY didn't accept, then i don't really know what to say about him at this point.

I don't recall the offer specifically (certainly at least not in great deal), though plenty of people have offered so there's a good chance it happened. I probably said the same as I did to Luda, that until I could see some concrete progress I'd be very skeptical about committing to a project with such a high risk of not delivering.

If people genuinely want to put the time in to convert the old stuff then this is fine, but understand that Classic was losing players before we switched to NPC server. Regardless of whether the old content is better or not, I have reservations that it will attract players in the long term. This is why I'm much more positive about quests and landmarks being converted rather than the whole lot. It's much less total work whilst still getting the majority of the benefits.

Originally Posted by Deophite18

This sounds good to me. To bad classic's MANAGER stopped posting on this thread all a sudden. Some feedback from him would be nice *looking at you Storm*

I've never been one to make a lot of posts. But just because I don't post in a thread does not mean I'm not reading it. I have my own views on where I think Classic should go, and anyone who has taken the time to ask me about them has gotten a full and honest answer. Classic has never been about what I want though; it's a combination of what the players want and what is realistically possible. There have been some good suggestions and ideas made in this thread, but it's clear to me that there's a massive variety of views. Whilst ultimately we all want a better Classic, no-one seems to agree on one definitive way to achieve it.

I was playing Classic before the millennium; we didn't even have events or an events team back then. Those were some of the times I enjoyed most: not because of the content, but because of the community.

[DustyPorViva]

Originally Posted by Polo

I was playing Classic before the millennium; we didn't even have events or an events team back then. Those were some of the times I enjoyed most: not because of the content, but because of the community.

People pretty much made their own events.

[Mark Sir Link]

Originally Posted by Polo

If people genuinely want to put the time in to convert the old stuff then this is fine, but understand that Classic was losing players before we switched to NPC server. Regardless of whether the old content is better or not, I have reservations that it will attract players in the long term. This is why I'm much more positive about quests and landmarks being converted rather than the whole lot. It's much less total work whilst still getting the majority of the benefits.

I'll interpret the beginning of that paragraph has meaning you've given permission for people to begin converting older content.

[TSAdmin]

Originally Posted by Crono

You don't play classic.

Maybe the reasons they say something is the same reason they "Don't play classic" anymore?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by TSAdmin

Maybe the reasons they say something is the same reason they "Don't play classic" anymore?

I can wager that most don't play it anymore because they never really did. If people's definition of "I PLAYED CLASIK BAK IN LIEK 02 LOL" is logging on for a few hours then hopping back off, then I played Classic as well in 2000. The server itself is better today than it ever was, but the community is not. The community is not something you can fix, everyone disappeared after Graal went fully p2p and I doubt most of them would come back even if Graal were to be free again.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Crono

I can wager that most don't play it anymore because they never really did.

I can't remember what year it was, but I for one definitely played during the Graal the Adventure era. I remember playing once or twice before it, but I didn't really have a regular Internet connection so I quickly deleted it. I "found it again" after a friend in my class talked about it, and his little brother invited me to their guild "Swedish Vikings" which they had created. Good old times!

[Knightess]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

I can't remember what year it was, but I for one definitely played during the Graal the Adventure era. I remember playing once or twice before it, but I didn't really have a regular Internet connection so I quickly deleted it. I "found it again" after a friend in my class talked about it, and his little brother invited me to their guild "Swedish Vikings" which they had created. Good old times!

Remember the races? Vampire, Zorbi, etc.
But they removed the races and turned it into GTA, which was still good.