Graal Ghetto! Cleptomaniacs.

Seeya · #1 06-10-2008, 02:02 AM

Graal ghetto definetley fills the name for this stolen filled server.

I have eleven different pictures, including a collage as number 11 of just some of the stolen things on graal ghetto. If you dont feel like openning a ton of links, just look at this one.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=vz7xwj&s=3

Practically shows 20 things stolen in just one room, of course i had a LAT put it together (credit to Rogue-supaman771), and i have many images used in there overall gmap.

If you'd like to look further into these images, you can of course, log in.. or you can just take a quick peak at these.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=20us8ao&s=3

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2enozg8&s=3

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=xbp69&s=3

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=14wg6fn&s=3

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=16hoqo3&s=3

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2jbnkvk&s=3

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2z827pw&s=3

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=xp3qk7&s=3

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2uqos8x&s=3

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=e14s5y&s=3

Lovely images, each one of them with something stolen. Im explaining whats stolen on each image. (Credit to supaman771, and Bizzam, for warping me around, and arranging staff block images.)

The owner is community named- Shadow133t, account named Graal698110. Some of you playerworld owners might want to keep him far away from your pw. He's stolen mostly everything on his server, including the tileset.

Thanks for reading this, and i'd stay far away from Graal Ghetto.

Crono · #2 06-10-2008, 02:03 AM

What a blatant Era rip.

xXziroXx · #3 06-10-2008, 02:05 AM

It's no secret that Shadowl33t is worse then Jiggah with stealing stuff.

Mafukie · #4 06-10-2008, 02:09 AM

"Chairs are always more comfertable when theyre stolen <3"

LOL!

Seeya · #5 06-10-2008, 02:09 AM

Its pretty bad when you have to steal from utopia.

Supaman771 · #6 06-10-2008, 02:18 AM

:S well it gave me something to do for 15 mins :O

TheFisherman · #7 06-10-2008, 02:23 AM

I'd just like to see for ONCE, a modern server that doesn't look similar to Era.
Define the word Ghetto. I don't see that much things related to ghetto from the screens and there is some perspective issues. Also, listening to Lil Wayne won't make you any better.

cbk1994 · #8 06-10-2008, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Seeya

Its pretty bad when you have to steal from utopia.

That was a very ignorant thing to say.

Some of my scripts are there as well (guns, shop, and more). I've made a support ticket, apparently nothing has happened.

I got banned for PMing the owner and saying "You have some stolen content; do you mind to remove it please?"

See attached image which I included with my support ticket.

DustyPorViva · #9 06-10-2008, 03:55 AM

The windows are actually different... and actually better looking.

Seeya · #10 06-10-2008, 04:02 AM

I really think utopia was the exact copy of Era.

Thats just personally, of course with more abusive childish staff members.

You were the only one i respected on that server.

cbk1994 · #11 06-10-2008, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

The windows are actually different... and actually better looking.

I know; I was putting them down because I wanted to show everything I could similar. However, can you deny that the shop systems are the same, except that they modified the layout?

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Originally Posted by Seeya

I really think utopia was the exact copy of Era.

You fail to see that Era copied a lot from Utopia as well.

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Thats just personally, of course with more abusive childish staff members.

Of course; some of the staff members were horrible (uploading porn and displaying it in the town

-- I fired six people that day). There were also of course staff who just abused powers.

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You were the only one i respected on that server.

Nice to know, considering I was the youngest staff, though I doubt you actually think that. However, thanks.

Seeya · #12 06-10-2008, 06:03 AM

I don't say things when i don't mean it. You were the only one doing all the effects, working your ass off.

~Edit

Im done for tonight. Leave me something to respond to.

cbk1994 · #13 06-10-2008, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Seeya

I don't say things when i don't mean it. You were the only one doing all the effects, working your ass off.

~Edit

Im done for tonight. Leave me something to respond to.

Thanks again, then.

DrakilorP2P · #14 06-10-2008, 01:38 PM

You forgot to tell us why anyone should care.

grawlgamer · #15 06-10-2008, 02:28 PM

You people should just stop worrying about it, all era copies will fail, so live with it. They thrive on this "attention".

MysticX2X · #16 06-10-2008, 03:45 PM

Such a slick name.

cbk1994 · #17 06-10-2008, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DrakilorP2P

You forgot to tell us why anyone should care.

About stolen graphics and scripts?

I'll talk about scripts.

I care because I worked very hard on some of those scripts for Utopia, and they are using them without my permission. The same thing goes for graphics; I just did not make any.

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Originally Posted by grawlgamer

You people should just stop worrying about it, all era copies will fail, so live with it. They thrive on this "attention".

Please stop being so ignorant, it's starting to get annoying. It would be great if you could stop calling other servers 'era copies'. Anything with a modern tileset, people say 'era clone', no matter what the server will be like.

Utopia's been around nearly as long as Era; Era actually stole some ideas and graphic designs from Utopia.

kia345 · #18 06-10-2008, 06:42 PM

They are Era clones. Why must every modern server thrive are gangs, shoot-outs, player run gun business, and oddly similar graphics? Do something unique. Make the players cops who fight criminal NPCs and preserve the city. A street racing server where you level up your character's driving ability and make a custom car.

There is so much a modern server can do without white kids playing gang vs. Mafia.

cbk1994 · #19 06-10-2008, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kia345

They are Era clones. Why must every modern server thrive are gangs, shoot-outs, player run gun business, and oddly similar graphics? Do something unique. Make the players cops who fight criminal NPCs and preserve the city. A street racing server where you level up your character's driving ability and make a custom car.

There is so much a modern server can do without white kids playing gang vs. Mafia.

Don't judge Utopia until you've seen it. It is MUCH different.

kia345 · #20 06-10-2008, 06:44 PM

I'm logging on, amuse me

cbk1994 · #21 06-10-2008, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kia345

I'm logging on, amuse me

I'm not going to show it off quite yet

kia345 · #22 06-10-2008, 06:51 PM

Then hush about you and your salvation of modern servers

Crimson2005 · #23 06-10-2008, 06:57 PM

In the ghetto, washing non-colourfast synthetics at 60 degrees, could cost you your life.......

cbk1994 · #24 06-10-2008, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kia345

Then hush about you and your salvation of modern servers

I'm not going to show my server, which will hopefully be a surprise, to everyone who doubts it is anything special.

DrakilorP2P · #25 06-10-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

About stolen graphics and scripts?

I'll talk about scripts.

I care because I worked very hard on some of those scripts for Utopia, and they are using them without my permission. The same thing goes for graphics; I just did not make any.

So them using a copy of the script in their server negates your own enjoyment of it? Would this still happen if they had your permission?

cbk1994 · #26 06-10-2008, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DrakilorP2P

So them using a copy of the script in their server negates your own enjoyment of it? Would this still happen if they had your permission?

If they asked my permission, that would be fine.

Stealing scripts without giving me credit or asking permission is not.

For the record, I would have let them use it.

DrakilorP2P · #27 06-11-2008, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

If they asked my permission, that would be fine.

Stealing scripts without giving me credit or asking permission is not.

For the record, I would have let them use it.

Being recognized as the writer of the script doesn't seem like a great enough thing to get upset about when you're deprived of it. Besides, there's a simple cure for that: post it in the Code Gallery. If credit is what you want, there is no better way than making it public.
Requiring people to ask for permission every time they want to use a script seems kind of unmotivated though, unless one is a megalomaniac.

Also, the people at Graal Ghetto might be more cooperative if you stop calling them thieves. It's hardly an accurate term anyway.

DustyPorViva · #28 06-11-2008, 12:27 AM

It's not about credit, or making it so people won't steal it... it's the simple fact they did. He should not have to put his scripts up in the code gallery so people won't have to steal it. If it's stolen, it's wrong, it's as simple as that.

DrakilorP2P · #29 06-11-2008, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

It's not about credit, or making it so people won't steal it... it's the simple fact they did. He should not have to put his scripts up in the code gallery so people won't have to steal it. If it's stolen, it's wrong, it's as simple as that.

Possibly rude, but "morally wrong" seems a bit much. I've never seen any player made Graal material being licensed for a fee, so I'm going to assume there's no financial loss.
Please enlighten me as to how this form of piracy may be harmful to the original author. I'm assuming it's bad in at least some way since it would be silly to label it "wrong" if it wasn't.

DustyPorViva · #30 06-11-2008, 01:13 AM

It's against Graal rules, therefore wrong. It doesn't matter how it harms the author, because it's wrong. If I don't give permission to someone to use my stuff, then I don't want to see them using it.

But... I'll comment on your 'harmful' bit. It's harmful because Graal development is a very competitive field. People may not agree with it being competitive, but it is. Everyone wants to make a better server than the next. With servers like Utopia and Graal Ghetto... which have very similar builds, stealing makes it easier for the other server to get the upper hand. If they want to copy, then fine, no one can stop them and if they're putting in the effort then I won't object.

I can go on, but really, until you're a developer(are you?), and you put hard work into your work, you won't really understand what's so wrong with someone stealing your work.

kia345 · #31 06-11-2008, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DrakilorP2P

Possibly rude, but "morally wrong" seems a bit much. I've never seen any player made Graal material being licensed for a fee, so I'm going to assume there's no financial loss.
Please enlighten me as to how this form of piracy may be harmful to the original author. I'm assuming it's bad in at least some way since it would be silly to label it "wrong" if it wasn't.

It's morally wrong in the sense that they're stealing credit for something they couldn't do on their own

cbk1994 · #32 06-11-2008, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DrakilorP2P

Being recognized as the writer of the script doesn't seem like a great enough thing to get upset about when you're deprived of it. Besides, there's a simple cure for that: post it in the Code Gallery. If credit is what you want, there is no better way than making it public.
Requiring people to ask for permission every time they want to use a script seems kind of unmotivated though, unless one is a megalomaniac.

Also, the people at Graal Ghetto might be more cooperative if you stop calling them thieves. It's hardly an accurate term anyway.

You shouldn't assume; I called no one a thief (at least, until after they banned me, and even then I don't recall).

I PMed the guy and said
"Hey, you have some of Utopias content on here. Do you mind removing it?"

Banned for hacking.

I did not release it to the code gallery because I made it for Utopia; I don't make things for a server then release them usually. Most of the time, I make something just to post on the code gallery.

DrakilorP2P · #33 06-11-2008, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

It's against Graal rules, therefore wrong. It doesn't matter how it harms the author, because it's wrong. If I don't give permission to someone to use my stuff, then I don't want to see them using it.

Can't argue against the rules.

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

But... I'll comment on your 'harmful' bit. It's harmful because Graal development is a very competitive field. People may not agree with it being competitive, but it is. Everyone wants to make a better server than the next. With servers like Utopia and Graal Ghetto... which have very similar builds, stealing makes it easier for the other server to get the upper hand. If they want to copy, then fine, no one can stop them and if they're putting in the effort then I won't object.

Graal Ghetto doesn't seem like a threat, but okay.

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

I can go on, but really, until you're a developer(are you?), and you put hard work into your work, you won't really understand what's so wrong with someone stealing your work.

I only recall being concerned about this years ago when I was still an immature prick. I have no idea why. I'm currently particularly fond of the Do What The **** You Want To Public License in the occasions where a license is useful (It's less obnoxious than other free software licenses).

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Originally Posted by kia345

It's morally wrong in the sense that they're stealing credit for something they couldn't do on their own

Yes, credits. Serious business.

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

You shouldn't assume; I called no one a thief (at least, until after they banned me, and even then I don't recall).

Words, words, words.

The thread title contains "Cleptomaniacs."

mYg0tHaMpStEr · #34 06-11-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994

Of course; some of the staff members were horrible (uploading porn and displaying it in the town

-- I fired six people that day). There were also of course staff who just abused powers.

Nice to know, considering I was the youngest staff, though I doubt you actually think that. However, thanks.

Ah what a day.

Anyway, I made a support ticket about them about a week ago. They obviously didn't comply. Shouldn't they be shut down?