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[Rapidwolve24]

I'm surprised Stefan, Darlene, or unixmad haven't unnecessarily deleted this thread yet for what they call "bashing"

[Admins]

Originally Posted by Rapidwolve24

I'm surprised Stefan, Darlene, or unixmad haven't unnecessarily deleted this thread yet for what they call "bashing"

If people say that they don't like the style of the website then it's ok for me, although I don't agree. Many people are stuck to the old, and don't accept new stuff, but that doesn't mean that the old stuff should be kept. It's better to see what is good in the old stuff and then take that and build something new and exciting.

Deleting a thread will only make people complain even more. Of course there are limits.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Many people are stuck to the old, and don't accept new stuff, but that doesn't mean that the old stuff should be kept.

It's not a matter of sticking with the old, Stefan. People's taste are maturing - and I don't mean your current players... I mean youth as a WHOLE. Just look at how popular the iPod is, the sleek interface, simplicity, and well designed shell are what sell it - otherwise, it's just a MP3 player. I'm sure there are a lot more colorful or youthful MP3 players out there.

Besides, there's a fantastic saying... "Keep It Simple, Stupid" or "K.I.S.S." - the webpage doesn't have to be a ajax fest or flash feast. Just a NICE design that's SIMPLISTIC and easy to use in it's nature. I'm not saying you need a new webpage now - but you could let me work on your GUI stuff. I'd whip this ***** into shape in no time and I know that for a fact.

[HoudiniMan]

Originally Posted by Stephen

It's not a matter of sticking with the old, Stefan. People's taste are maturing - and I don't mean your current players... I mean youth as a WHOLE. Just look at how popular the iPod is, the sleek interface, simplicity, and well designed shell are what sell it - otherwise, it's just a MP3 player. I'm sure there are a lot more colorful or youthful MP3 players out there.

Besides, there's a fantastic saying... "Keep It Simple, Stupid" or "K.I.S.S." - the webpage doesn't have to be a ajax fest or flash feast. Just a NICE design that's SIMPLISTIC and easy to use in it's nature. I'm not saying you need a new webpage now - but you could let me work on your GUI stuff. I'd whip this ***** into shape in no time and I know that for a fact.

I know you are waiting for him to acknowledge you, and probably offer you some kind of reward - but if it were me I'd just do it, show it off, and let it convince him instead of waiting.

We're always waiting.

I'm sick of waiting.

GO. DO.

But hey, you might not be motivated. I dunno. I couldn't keep people interested in a teamspeak server to collaborate on, because they didn't care about collaborating.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

I know you are waiting for him to acknowledge you, and probably offer you some kind of reward - but if it were me I'd just do it, show it off, and let it convince him instead of waiting.

We're always waiting.

I'm sick of waiting.

GO. DO.

But hey, you might not be motivated. I dunno. I couldn't keep people interested in a teamspeak server to collaborate on, because they didn't care about collaborating.

Originally Posted by Stephen

Yea right, the GermanKr3w takes everything at face value. "Oh, you made us a webpage? Fantastic. What - you did it as part of an ongoing relationship with our business? Nonsense, what's that now? You're disgruntled? WE'LL SEE WHO HAS THE LAST LAUGH"

It's nonsense.

Please don't patronize me. Thanks.

[HoudiniMan]

Originally Posted by Stephen

"Oh, you made us a webpage? Fantastic. What - you did it as part of an ongoing relationship with our business?

So what, you want partner or something?

It's a website, make it to help everybody - if you WANT to.
If you don't want to, for whatever reason, then don't.

But, don't you think it's possible if you made a killer website they would use it once they see it? Even if they did pay (not confirming, just hypothetically) for the current site, don't you think they would use a better one if all they had to do with hand out some Gold time?

I mean, come on, how many games would you even know where to SEND a killer website for their review? I don't know if you're a serious web developer, but a live company site would be a good addition to any portfolio. It's not like this is even a difficult job.

Everybody has a chance to change Graal, and everybody is waiting for everybody else to do it. If I could make websites, I would make one for Graal. I just suck at making websites.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

So what, you want partner or something?

Don't be a clod.

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

But, don't you think it's possible if you made a killer website they would use it once they see it? Even if they did pay (not confirming, just hypothetically) for the current site, don't you think they would use a better one if all they had to do with hand out some Gold time?

They wouldn't pay. But that's not really important - do you know much about webdesign? This wouldn't be easy... you couldn't just make it and give it to them. It would have to interface with a lot of (I assume) PHP & MySQL... or some sort of database language, whatever they're using.

I could make a design but it would be meaningless to them and I'm really not willing to waste my efforts. I put a lot of effort into great ideas and great development when I was younger only to watch it go unused, and I'm no longer willing to do that.

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

I mean, come on, how many games would you even know where to SEND a killer website for their review? I don't know if you're a serious web developer, but a live company site would be a good addition to any portfolio. It's not like this is even a difficult job.

I have a job I intend to keep for a long time, so my portfolio is strictly hobby.

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

Everybody has a chance to change Graal, and everybody is waiting for everybody else to do it. If I could make websites, I would make one for Graal. I just suck at making websites.

I thought you were a PWA?

Originally Posted by HoudiniMan

It's a website, make it to help everybody - if you WANT to.
If you don't want to, for whatever reason, then don't.

I'm not really sure if this is worth commenting on - but wtf, who can't figure that out on their own? lol

[Programmer]

Originally Posted by Stefan

If people say that they don't like the style of the website then it's ok for me, although I don't agree. Many people are stuck to the old, and don't accept new stuff, but that doesn't mean that the old stuff should be kept. It's better to see what is good in the old stuff and then take that and build something new and exciting.

Deleting a thread will only make people complain even more. Of course there are limits.

Stefan, the ages of 99 percent of the players on Graal is at least 14. Most people are even older. Your website doesn't appeal to these teenagers, which doesn't serve any purpose for attracting new players. You're constantly losing players without the incentive to gain new ones.

You have to keep in mind, Stefan, we might not be as old as you are, but we're 7-year-olds. Graal v5 was a major step in the wrong direction, and has seriously screwed up the warm, welcoming feeling of the old Graal website and the trials who just want to play. Just leave them alone and let them purchase on their own time; your prices are quite expensive for a short-term payment.

In your quote, you said "It's better to see what is good in the old stuff and then take that and build something new and exciting." Your website doesn't reflect this belief. The new website barely has any elements of the old website. The old website was very effective and easy to navigate, but your new one is a horrible death-trap for web surfers.

In short, you should reconsider what you're doing to Graal right now. Graal v.4 was perfectly fine. It just needed a little work. With the release of Graal v.5, you screwed up most subscription status and the browsing of the website, which makes it harder to renew your subscription because you can't find the subscriptions page. Graal might have some cool features now, but they don't overshadow the bad qualities of it.