A Proposition to save Graal Kingdoms

[FenixTheBanished]

I am creating this thread because there is nothing getting done to the server that I have been apart of for 4 years now. Bjorn is supposedly to busy with other projects and nothing can get done when he is never around or is unwilling to do them. Also Stefan himself is to busy to be able to help us with development or adding any content to the game.

So with this in mind I bring forth a candidate that I believe has the ability in script, create levels, items, content, ideas, and passion to be able to help revive Graal Kingdoms. Tig, I hope you don't mind... but I present Tigairius for this task.

I am being completely serious about this and I'm not kidding around. I personally, as well as others have seen Tig's work and I'm sure we can all vouch that he is good at what he does. He will get the job done and help get the content and the ideas and the technical needs of Graal Kingdoms implemented so that we can attract not only old players and new players, but also keep the ones that we already have.

We can all see just day to day some of his work, when there were going to be no new halloween items, and in the last hour before their release, he whipped some up really quickly to make everyone happy.

Tig has also had staff experience on many other servers, just a few being Era and N-Pulse. He has also been a great manager for years of Ol' West as well. He is also a FAQ on GK right now and no one can disagree with his ability to help people and his knowledge of the game.

Bottom line here. I respect Bjorn and Stefan, but simply put, they seemingly do not have the time to do what is needed to help keep kingdoms alive. And I do not believe that there is a Better candidate than Tig to be up for the position. He has the passion and that is clear since he has been around for the entire 5 years of GK since the days of Jagen and Lance and before that and he is still here helping and developing for Dustari and other things. We need someone to help revive the server and make Graal in general an attractive game and I believe... no I know, that having Tig as an administrator on Graal Kingdoms will get that accomplished.

Also, with about a top player count of 30 and a steady count of around 9 people will it honestly hurt to give Tig a chance to make the server back into something you can get excited about? Something that you can't wait to get home to be able to play alongside your friends? We need someone to save the server that I have loved for 4 years now and it really does make me sad to see it in such horrible shape. Graal Kingdoms has been released after coming off the drawing board to Alpha and has been stuck there for years. I know that Tig can help us AND Graal Kingdoms move from Alpha into a complete and ever-changing and new game.

Please post your thoughts and qualms with this and I am adding a POLL for people to be able to vote on what they think. This is a serious matter and we need someone who is serious and compassionate about our server. And I know that Tig is that person and he _will_ get the job done right.

-FenixTheBanished



P.S. Also more information about Tigairius's credentials are here in his FAQ application.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...29&postcount=2

[Tigairius]

I would have to say that I am a bit surprised with this thread. I do not mind that you nominated me for this, I am a bit honored to say the least. I am happy that you think I am capable of helping GK so much, because I would have to agree with you. I hope you don't mean to overthrow Björn, because I think Björn should stay what he is. I agree that it would be nice to have someone else around GK who would be able to do things, not just Björn and Stefan (who are both very busy with other things). It's interesting that you wrote all of this without consulting my opinion first, though.
I do agree with you, though, it's sad to see GK just sitting here rotting to it's death. I am trying to do a lot of things for it, and they are in the works. I want to bring GK back alive regardless of what position I am, but I guess it would be more convenient with your proposition. Thank you, Fenix, I am surprised in you, but I am very pleased with your opinion of me

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Tigairius still isn't a developer?!?!

We need someone with Tigairius' skills, experience, and attitude.
Actually, we need Tigairius himself.

All the old players have given up hope and left. Tig is one of the few who stays around and keeps hope. Not only has he helped me countless times as an FAQ, but when I've come to him in the past about problems that need fixing on Graal Kingdoms, he's explained to me what can be done to fix things, but he doesn't have the power to implement all these ideas.

He also presents himself in a more professional manner than MANY of the staff on Graal.

TOO MANY staff can be found contributing to the negative atmosphere in this community. We need to start seeing staff who act appropriately!

Players are customers. The game is a product they purchased. They expect people managing the product to act with a sense of maturity and professionalism. This should not be a hard thing to find.

I don't see ANY of these negative qualities in Tigairius on the forums, in-game, etc...

[lordbosh]

Tig can, and by all means should be given the chance to improve this server.

[Obs311]

I asked Tig to work on my castle ( make it dark and evil looking ), and he started right away. I was very pleased with the work, yet I am STILL having trouble uploading it to the main server *hint*.

Here is a preview, so yes, I recommend Tig for Admin.

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Originally Posted by Obs311

I asked Tig to work on my castle ( make it dark and evil looking ), and he started right away. I was very pleased with the work, yet I am STILL having trouble uploading it to the main server *hint*.

Here is a preview, so yes, I recommend Tig for Admin.

All castles should be updated to be as good as that.

If you only have one like that, it's kind of unfair.

[FenixTheBanished]

Honestly Tig is and would be the best candidate for becoming an Admin and I wouldn't vote for anyone else. We need people who will work hard to make a server that we paid for into a server thats worth playing. And no I didnt mean replace Bjorn but work along side him and/or with him. We need Tig because he clearly as posted above has the skills and the abilities that are needed to do anything and everything regarding adding/editing/improving Graal Kingdoms on the technical side and he also has the ideas, the logic, knowledge, etc that are needed to make sound decisions and to add content that will help and improve the game-play so that we have people who want to play the server and who become apart of it!

[Horrified]

This is foolish...Changing admins does nothing. The way Bjorn is going, is not where Tigarius might want to go; this wouldn't be wise.

Think about taking development time to do something, now whatever was in the works, say Tig doesn't like it; it's gone, replaced with his idea. The admin should be replaced least often.

The last thing you should want is to change positions like these.

[FenixTheBanished]

Do you even play kingdoms? I you did you would know that there has been nearly NO new content in 3 years. The only new thing is Battle Island, which hasn't even been tampered with because NO staff will help with it! Horrified you really dont even have any clue about Graal Kingdoms so dont put your two cents in if you dont even know what youre talking about. Bjorn has been stallin on absolutely every idea that has been given to him. And if you would read my post above I said that he would work alongside/with Bjorn and he would not be replaced. And adding Admins does change things. Tig will be able to actually do updates and put in content for GK that otherwise wouldnt happen because Bjorn is sooooo "busy" with other things. And having two administrators would not cancel out Bjorns ideas that are supposedly in the works. They would add to them, please do not post unless you have something constructive to say. Thanks.

[Googi]

Get real guys. Adding a new guy or shuffling staff positions isn't going to do a thing when nobody, not even me, can come up with a provable method of attracting players.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Googi

Get real guys. Adding a new guy or shuffling staff positions isn't going to do a thing when nobody, not even me, can come up with a provable method of attracting players.

Hmm... kind of hard to prove any method if work is unable to be uploaded in the first place.

[LadyDarkwolf]

I think saving Graal Kingdoms would be a great idea. I have kept my acct mainly to keep up with some friends and to see if anything has changed or been added.

I don't know Tig well but from what I have heard and from the little I do talk to him he knows a great deal about the game, he's also patient when helping someone < at least he was with me =) >. I would love to see knew things for kingdoms even if its just knew players or old players come back. I know from a few that played while i was and have left that after playing for so long it can get a little tiresome doing the same exact thing everytime you come on... now and then having something different to do or something to work towards would be nice.

So I say give Tig the chance to improve the server... Give those of us that left a reason to come back and play again.

[FenixTheBanished]

You aren't God Googi, and you haven't even tried to implement ANY ideas, you have come up with some, but I have yet to see you do any of them, and I'm sure even if you did, guess who'd stand in the way!


Or wait... I mean guess who wouldnt even BE there to stand in your way, Bjorn. And adding another staff member would change ALOT. There would actually be ONE honest staff member DEVOTED to Graal Kingdoms, not being pulled in 6 different directions on different servers for different projects. If you were trying to get anything done you'd know that you can't get anything done because the current staff don't care enough to pay attention to us. For example. Forest has been trying to get some Kingdom items for about 2-3 years now. And guess who hasnt received a single one? Forest. Also no kingdoms have had any updates at all and thats not something that you can disagree with in honesty. There is nothing mysteriously up Bjorns sleeve that he is working on, because he isn't working on anything. He is to busy saying no to every idea people come up with because he supposedly is to busy, can't do it, or just doesn't care. Adding a staff member will actually greatly increase Graal Kingdoms chance of succeeding.

Look at Zone, Stefan has been paying so much attention to it it makes me sick, and its getting updates and rehals left and right and new updates almost every month. So don't sit here and tell me that adding another staff member or having people devoted to the server wont change anything or help. Clearly it will, its helped other servers and you know what? Atleast Tig would try to do something about bringing GK back to life. Do you have a problem with that? If you do then I don't see why you are even playing or even responding to this thread.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

Hmm... kind of hard to prove any method if work is unable to be uploaded in the first place.

It's precisely this "LOL LET'S JUST DO IT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS" attitude that's the problem with the suggestions players make. People just come up with stuff that they themselves like without putting much thought into just who the market would be for it, how they're going to target that market, etc. If something is going to "save Graal Kingdoms" it's going to come as a result of good, hard, market research, but I guess that isn't nearly as fun as just making stuff because you, yourself, happen to like it, is it?

[LadyDarkwolf]

As a side note... I don't know about anyone else but no one attracted me to Graal... A friend played and asked me to try it... I did and have been playing on and off for about four years now. Word of mouth has worked for me, I got a few people playing but when there wasnt anything left to do we found a new game to play.

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Originally Posted by Googi

Get real guys. Adding a new guy or shuffling staff positions isn't going to do a thing when nobody, not even me, can come up with a provable method of attracting players.

It will help because he'll actually DO something.

I've been playing GK more or less since the beginning, and noticed there's a terrible pattern going on.

-. New content released
-. Server is fun
-. Goes downhill
-. Dies
-. New content
-. Server is fun again
-. Goes downhill again
-. Dies again

Tig at least shows a quality of consistency hard to see in other people.
He'll get things done and bring more when they're needed. He's not the type of person to end up acting as others have:
a) Sitting around, letting things continue to get boring
b) Giving excuses or expecting people to be happy with "things are being done"


Googi, NOT adding new staff, and NOT "shuffling" staff positions will definitly do nothing. At the very least, giving Tig the admin or developer job will give GK a chance. A chance is all we need.

[kia345]

It's not like Gk could fall any further.Tig's already shown he can do a lot. Sure, nothing good may happen, but honestly, what's there to lose?

[BigBear3]

It's not even about playercount in my eyes. It's about content. I know Tig can make it. I really think someone of Tig's magnitude should definetly have a shot of being able to upload content.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished

You aren't God Googi, and you haven't even tried to implement ANY ideas, you have come up with some, but I have yet to see you do any of them, and I'm sure even if you did, guess who'd stand in the way!

My ideas aren't worthy of implementation. When I come up with one that actually is (that is, an idea that's actually capable of successfully targeting a sizable market), I will develop it and try to get it uploaded.

Originally Posted by Ziro_of_the_Turks

It will help because he'll actually DO something.

Doing something isn't necessarily helping. The halloween items were doing something. Fun stuff all around, I got a cool new cape, etc. Did it do a thing to bring in new players? No it didn't.

Originally Posted by Ziro_of_the_Turks

-. New content released
-. Server is fun
-. Goes downhill
-. Dies
-. New content
-. Server is fun again
-. Goes downhill again
-. Dies again

To a new player, there's more new content on the server than there was 5 years ago, because to a new player all content is new content.

Originally Posted by Ziro_of_the_Turks

Tig at least shows a quality of consistency hard to see in other people.
He'll get things done and bring more when they're needed. He's not the type of person to end up acting as others have:
a) Sitting around, letting things continue to get boring
b) Giving excuses or expecting people to be happy with "things are being done"

You guys are complaining about the lack of updates as though updates are going to save the server simply by being updates.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Googi

To a new player, there's more new content on the server than there was 5 years ago, because to a new player all content is new content.

Part of saving a community is saving it's existing members.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

Part of saving a community is saving it's existing members.

I'm not interested in saving a community, I'm interested in saving a server. If you're interested in saving the community then fine, but don't conflate it with saving the server. Saving the server requires bringing in new players and a lot of them no matter what, whereas "saving" the existing members is totally optional, so bringing in new members is the far higher priority.

[FenixTheBanished]

Googi, you keep to your project with advertising, let Tig do the content and the add things that are going to help the server AND the community. Alot of people stay in Graal BECAUSE of the community because of the lack of updates or ANYTHING being done.

[Horrified]

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished

please do not post unless you have something constructive to say. Thanks.

I do.

Trust me, this wouldn't work out, knowing kingdoms "well" or not. Adding a new administrator would not change the fact that what would keep it going would be taking what Bjorn is doing and helping him with that.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished

Googi, you keep to your project with advertising, let Tig do the content and the add things that are going to help the server AND the community. Alot of people stay in Graal BECAUSE of the community because of the lack of updates or ANYTHING being done.

Obviously there has to be a community, but it makes no difference to me whether it's the current one or some new one.

[Stephen]

Wasn't Tigairius globally banned... twice?

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Wasn't Tigairius globally banned... twice?

Check my ban history.

[Ziro_of_the_Turks]

Originally Posted by Googi

Doing something isn't necessarily helping. The halloween items were doing something. Fun stuff all around, I got a cool new cape, etc. Did it do a thing to bring in new players? No it didn't.

As everyone said, the Halloween items were just a quick thing whipped up. The result is going to reflect upon the effort.
Of course it wouldn't bring in new players. Noone ever said it would help things.

I actually returned because of the Halloween items (noone wants to miss out on gift shop items...they can become rare and valuable). I have no reason to believe I'm the only person who did this. The problem is... anyone who would have done that had no reason to stay (I had my own reasons for staying...)

Tigairius definitly has something Stefan and Bjorn don't: a better perspective of gameplay. The player's perspective. He can better understand and relate to the problems.

[LadyDarkwolf]

Getting new people and alot of them is great but if you can't keep them once they get to the point that all those that left were at whats the point in trying to getting them to come play.

Shouldnt there be something to get those that play now to stay [B]and[B] get new people to start playing but also keep everyone?

And sometimes getting knew ideas from new admins / managers call it what you want is the best thing you can do for a game... note i said sometimes. <is not saying get rid of anyone but maybe its time for some new blood>...

[Mousymee]

Originally Posted by Horrified

I do.

Trust me, this wouldn't work out, knowing kingdoms "well" or not. Adding a new administrator would not change the fact that what would keep it going would be taking what Bjorn is doing and helping him with that.

Problem is, Bjorn isn't doing anything. You don't play this server, you have no idea what's going on. Tig's really talented, there's plenty he can do for the server. Googi, updates are essential to keep the players playing. We're trying to save the server, and saving the server means keeping a healthy playercount. Duly noted, updates don't matter to new players, but there's not a whole lot being done on the new player front right now, and it's not like
working on updates does anything to prevent getting new players on.

[protozero]

This game has gotten extremly boring. I have 7 days left on my account, and I won't upgrade unless something extremly drastic happens, which probably won't.

I don't see why any of you are against Tig haveing administrator rights, please tell me what wrong could come out of it!? Tig has proven himself both passionate and talented. Some new **** to gawk at while twidling our thumbs wuld be nice. There have been barely ANY updates at all, weather was crap but rain comes in handy for carrots. Even that took about a year to release AFTER it was said it was "already done". Bjorn has shown us what he can do, and I'm not all that impressed, lets give Tig a chance before we sack him.

[Conqueror]

I agree with Fenix, Googi, and Tig on these points. I believe theres a lack of content, but also a lack of advertisement in the market.

I agree with tig, preserving the community is important. There are only a limited amount of certain "rare items" in this game, and MOST of them have died with old players from the past. As more people quit with their items, the less items there are on graal. Making items even rarer causing there value to rise. This process results in the rich becoming richer, and the poor becoming poorer. Making the poor eventually give up and quit, and repeating the cycle. The items that STILL ARE here should be preserved. We are already seeing the effects of this. Items used to be priced in "diamonds". But now they are being priced in "RoW's", that's how devastating the effect has been.

But I do agree with Googi. Updating new items and new content isn't the only thing that needs to be done to revive this server. There needs to be more marketing and advertisement. I'm not sure of Stefans financial situation, but it doesnt take a brainer to understand that the more money the game makes, the more advertisement he will be able to do. A good idea might be to adapt into Maple Story's idea's. Some people will dish out cash just to "look good", or whatever. Obviously the items shouldnt have stats, but just a certain look or whatever. Anyways, the more money he makes the more advertising he can do, which results in a higher player count.

But obviously there is alot of work to be done. There should be more levels, and dungeons. New monsters for higher levels. Maybe even making a greater variety of weapons and armour droppable. I dont know, I'm just saying. There's definetely a lack of content. Theres only so many Lord spots, you know? Sure everything is fine for the current playercount. But if we DO reach a higher playercount, the content is definetely too short. I don't know.. that's what I have to say.

I do feel Tig would be an excellent representetive for an Admin. But it's going to take more than one person to help revive a server. There should be numerous positions that should be given out to qualified, active players. And I feel that Tig would be a great start to a revival.

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Mousymee

Googi, updates are essential to keep the players playing.

Yeah, but they don't keep players playing just by being updates. They have to be the right updates.

Originally Posted by LadyDarkwolf

Shouldnt there be something to get those that play now to stay and get new people to start playing but also keep everyone?

Yeah, there should be, but nobody can come up with a "something" that would actually be effective.

Originally Posted by protozero

I don't see why any of you are against Tig haveing administrator rights

I don't see why any of you are against <insert name of anybody who can develop here> having administrator rights.

[Tigairius]

Originally Posted by Googi

I don't see why any of you are against <insert name of anybody who can develop here> having administrator rights.

I am not so sure about this thread, but I am pretty sure a big point of Fenix's is that I have been around here since the near beginning, and I have shown that I am dedicated to the server, not just that I have the ability to develop well, again, Fenix, correct me if I'm wrong.

[FenixTheBanished]

Originally Posted by Googi

Yeah, but they don't keep players playing just by being updates. They have to be the right updates.



Yeah, there should be, but nobody can come up with a "something" that would actually be effective.



I don't see why any of you are against <insert name of anybody who can develop here> having administrator rights.

Googi, you're a complete pessimist. Stop saying no one can come up with the right updates! FFS! NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO. Hell, if you have the money go* hire a World of Warcraft developer and in about 2 months he'll make Graal something to take your breath away for a 2D game. But clearly we don't have those recourses available to us!!!

Tig will be able to get us off on the right foot and he isn't going to just do any random stupid updates. He would think things through, think of what should be done and how things would be effected. So please stop sitting here knocking EVERYONE because there isn't a cure all solution to the problem. Yea we all agree with you, there isn't. So get off that subject, we all agree about it. But Tig is a start in the right direction. Otherwise NOTHING will get done just like NOTHING has been done since 2004 after event island was added during the MarkB Raffle days.

[FenixTheBanished]

Originally Posted by Tigairius

I am not so sure about this thread, but I am pretty sure a big point of Fenix's is that I have been around here since the near beginning, and I have shown that I am dedicated to the server, not just that I have the ability to develop well, again, Fenix, correct me if I'm wrong.

Once again you're right. No it's not because you can only script, etc etc. Its because you've been around since I have 4 years ago and there comes with it a knowledge and maturity that is needed to run a server with this kind of history. The server is made up of two things that are attractive. Content and Community. That's what made Graal a hit with 110+ player counts back in 2003. Tig has been around a very long time and he has the ability, the knowledge, and the ideas to relinquish the dead server that Graal has become into a new living and breathing being that I once was.

[Conqueror]

Way to totally ignore my post everyone :[.

[DustyPorViva]

Way to save GK? Well, it's tricky, and takes a lot of hard work, skill, patience, and most of all, the will to believe. It involves many candles, chants, ritualistic dances, crudely drawn sigils, and 42 female virgins.

[Arch_Angel]

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva

Way to save GK? Well, it's tricky, and takes a lot of hard work, skill, patience, and most of all, the will to believe. It involves many candles, chants, ritualistic dances, crudely drawn sigils, and 42 female virgins.

Man.... How are we gonna get enough candles

[Mousymee]

Originally Posted by Googi

Yeah, but they don't keep players playing just by being updates. They have to be the right updates.

They'll be the right updates. Tig's a player, like the rest of us, he knows what we want, he'll actually listen to us.

[ViperZakuto]

I may not agree with a lot of things tig does or says... but I think he should be administrator. He has the knowlege, skill, and he would look at situations from all angles and make the best decision possible. Even if he does bad updates what can he really hurt? Maybe once they release G3d and it dies in it's short lived lifespan... The current administrators wll say... damn we made a mistake.

My only question is for stefan. Why would you abandon a project that you dedicated 9 years of your life to bring to life, and has so much unexplored potential.