The whole 1.39 issue =\

[Cloud_X]

This would be a good chance for stefan and unixmad to make some sort of way when you pay for g2k1 you also are allowed to run a gserver from your computer. however maybe like only a max of 20 or so players. You must have an account to use it because when you turn on the gserver it asks you for your graal2001 account and password then connects makes sure it's correct then loads the gserver. Just a thought they could maybe even make it a new thing to buy Developers edition or something. (of course you couldnt use the a npc server or anything graal2001ish just stuff non p2p server can)

[Cloud_X]

Why?

[Gameo]

Originally posted by Cloud_X
This would be a good chance for stefan and unixmad to make some sort of way when you pay for g2k1 you also are allowed to run a gserver from your computer. however maybe like only a max of 20 or so players. You must have an account to use it because when you turn on the gserver it asks you for your graal2001 account and password then connects makes sure it's correct then loads the gserver. Just a thought they could maybe even make it a new thing to buy Developers edition or something. (of course you couldnt use the a npc server or anything graal2001ish just stuff non p2p server can)

TrueHeaT:
I presented an idea like that to Stefan in some old topic but he said it would never happen

[Cloud_X]

Originally posted by Gameo

TrueHeaT:
I presented an idea like that to Stefan in some old topic but he said it would never happen

=/ It's the only real way graal will ever be popular. Image all the people in thier teens who cannot program and want to make games? It's a gold mine. btw trueheat is smart so he gets Cloud X's Golden Cookie or Intelligence

[zerohero]

I'm hoping to get Zero 33's account banned from here, then I'll be happy.

[Cloud_X]

why the hell do you want thayt to hapen

[Admins]

Graal might get more popular
but would die because we would need to
stop any developement and sell what we have
since we cannot make any cent then

[Cloud_X]

Originally posted by Stefan
Graal might get more popular
but would die because we would need to
stop any developement and sell what we have
since we cannot make any cent then

You would still make money because account to make gserver would have to be reregistered and maybe to play on the private gservers you also have to have a P2p account it could just go and check the server then go to the private gserver if your account is upgraded. It would help with lag. I promise it would increase popularity a bunch because if you advertise in like PC magaizine or playstation mag there are tons of gamers who want to make games. Plus no one could threaten with gservers anymore. Maybe to make a gserver server your p2p account could cost more then normal? That would still give you guys tons of funds and I bet more also

[Rekad]

just make a pw, and be happy

[Archeon]

personally i think it would be cool to get consultants from like Square or something...and have them help out..

some kind of partnership would rock

you would have to pay them, but then you could say
"YOU BETTER CHECK THIS OUT CAUSE SQUARE WORKED ON IT"
and more people would come..

just any idea, i dont know if its feasible.

[DuckyJ]

Yo I think 1.39 should be used for testing purpouses only like you need to test your PW before submittal and shwo it to your staff(since it's too big to distribute) so you go on and you all get to play together and see if it works.

Originally posted by DuckyJ
Yo I think 1.39 should be used for testing purpouses only like you need to test your PW before submittal and shwo it to your staff(since it's too big to distribute) so you go on and you all get to play together and see if it works.

People have asked Mafukie to host their PW for testing, but he turned them down because he dosn't want to put their player world at risk, reason being Stefan probably wouldn't accept it just because they are on the server.

[greezi]

Originally posted by Cloud_X
why the hell do you want thayt to hapen

[CrazedMerlin]

Originally posted by Stefan
Graal might get more popular
but would die because we would need to
stop any developement and sell what we have
since we cannot make any cent then

You are not going to make much more Money if graal continues to run the way it has been running. At least 5 innocent accounts were banned from the Forums, that they Supported Mafukie, and unix threatened to delete mine. . Almost Half of the current Graal 2001 population stated that they will NOT resubscribe when their account is over.

[vergil]

look at it this way
anyone who's ever played a 3d shooter i.e. Half Life
anyone who has the game can make a server. only people who have the game can play.

ITS THE SAME THING.
only there's a 'trial' graal.
i say screw the free servers. Have -1- free server with very very limited features, but stll show how good Graal is. put a 100 player limit on it.

ALL graal players should be p2p.
If you took away free servers, then youd get more money.
Have graal servers with max of 20 players send their information constantly to a Graal server server which would display the information just like how playerworlds are.
Just like GameSpy or WON
etc.

use levels and spells. have them transfer from one server to another.

[Cloud_X]

Originally posted by vergil
look at it this way
anyone who's ever played a 3d shooter i.e. Half Life
anyone who has the game can make a server. only people who have the game can play.

ITS THE SAME THING.
only there's a 'trial' graal.
i say screw the free servers. Have -1- free server with very very limited features, but stll show how good Graal is. put a 100 player limit on it.

ALL graal players should be p2p.
If you took away free servers, then youd get more money.
Have graal servers with max of 20 players send their information constantly to a Graal server server which would display the information just like how playerworlds are.
Just like GameSpy or WON
etc.

God that would own stefan would get so much damn money

[Merlin2]

Originally posted by vergil
look at it this way
anyone who's ever played a 3d shooter i.e. Half Life
anyone who has the game can make a server. only people who have the game can play.

ITS THE SAME THING.
only there's a 'trial' graal.
i say screw the free servers. Have -1- free server with very very limited features, but stll show how good Graal is. put a 100 player limit on it.

ALL graal players should be p2p.
If you took away free servers, then youd get more money.
Have graal servers with max of 20 players send their information constantly to a Graal server server which would display the information just like how playerworlds are.
Just like GameSpy or WON
etc.

use levels and spells. have them transfer from one server to another.

No. What about people who want p2p accounts but they can't AFFORD? What if their family can't afford it? What if they are 12? That's not fair.

Just leave the way it is, or take down p2p servers.. It's stupid. Or put a limit on Graal 2001.

[Jerom]

If they can't pay for the game, then whoop-de-freakin-do, they can't play the game.
I like the idea of having one free server, and having all the other servers p2p.
If the people dont like the way the free server is, they always know the p2p servers are better, or they know they dont want to pay for Graal.

At this point in time, the p2p servers other than G2k1 are either not very good at all, or they're under construction...

If we want people to pay, then we need a variety of servers.
Val is obviously the role playing server. NewMain is the generic server with all the balanced cool stuff on it. TOT is IN THE MAKING of a good server, but they have yet to add any sets of levels to the public. Mithica promised that when they went p2p, they would add a whole new set of levels, but they didn't... Bravo online, as I have heard and seen, has gone bad.
NewMain has somewhat of a storyline. Val is a roleplaying world and has it's own story as the players make it up. TOT has a great story posted on thier site, Mithica chooses to copy off of other games. And Bravo Online is pretty much all about PKing from what I've seen.

It's not about the version really, it's about the content of the worlds that makes the game better. If ya wanna spice things up, add some neat NPCs that alter the way you play the game, and make better levels with more tiles!

[activeconvict]

It would be nice if Stefan would let us pay money to put a server up, and have it cost like 30-50 dollars monthly.

[Rekad]

Originally posted by Merlin2


No. What about people who want p2p accounts but they can't AFFORD? What if their family can't afford it? What if they are 12? That's not fair.

Just leave the way it is, or take down p2p servers.. It's stupid. Or put a limit on Graal 2001.

ANYONE WHO NEEDS TO CAN BUY AN ACCOUNT!!!! 30 BUCKS ISNT THAT MUCH IF THEY HAVE A COMPUTER!!

http://leetravers.net/other/stefan.txt

[FatherDante]

If you want to host the Gserver, buy a license.

We the players don't understand the dynamics of this but I cansee it's an unrealistic business model. Still, for security's sake, it might be wise to incoroporate an idea like the aforementioned "server server" some way that the GServer can be shut down remotely by Graal Online.

Problem is, it's still local so it's still hackable.

[Rekad]

Originally posted by FatherDante
If you want to host the Gserver, buy a license.

We the players don't understand the dynamics of this but I cansee it's an unrealistic business model. Still, for security's sake, it might be wise to incoroporate an idea like the aforementioned "server server" some way that the GServer can be shut down remotely by Graal Online.

Problem is, it's still local so it's still hackable.

make it really crappy, so if you hack it, you still wont be able to make money off it.

Originally posted by Rekad
make it really crappy, so if you hack it, you still wont be able to make money off it.

hey guy, that makes no sence.

[Gameo]

TrueHeaT:
please stop posting on this issue

[vergil]

Then again, running a -server- takes tons of bandwidth and even 5 people would lag the crap out of the thing. And Graal Online can't host a thousand servers, they have trouble with 5 or 6.

[Rekad]

Originally posted by KittyHoly_2001


hey guy, that makes no sence.

give out a really crappy version of Gserver out for players.

Originally posted by Rekad
give out a really crappy version of Gserver out for players.

they did, it was included with graal and was limited to 8 players, people started hacking them though.

Originally posted by vergil
Then again, running a -server- takes tons of bandwidth and even 5 people would lag the crap out of the thing. And Graal Online can't host a thousand servers, they have trouble with 5 or 6.

Thats my point exactly, let people run their servers and make them pay to use GO's services. Since not a lot of people can do decent level design and script, Im sure people would pay.

Would be cool to have a gamespy type thing for graal that searchs all the graal servers on the internet and you can connect to whichever one you want.

[Gameo]

TrueHeaT:
just drop the issue PLEASE
it's tiring and useless

[AlkarenHyralt]

Originally posted by Gameo
TrueHeaT:
just drop the issue PLEASE
it's tiring and useless

That would be easy. Sadly though; nothing is never easy.