Graal Forums  

Go Back   Graal Forums > Gold Servers > Graal Kingdoms
FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #41  
Old 06-20-2007, 04:52 PM
Crono Crono is offline
:pluffy:
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Sweden
Posts: 20,000
Crono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 View Post
Well then instead of complaining about it get on your graal editor or gani editor and make new stuff for GK. Like currently I am making a new dungeon for GK. I think Stefan would be pleased to have more help....more people contributing. Basically I usually see him working on stuff. I am helping with this one new dungeon but I might do more yet.
New levels won't save GK. Sorry. If it would I'd help but I know more maps aren't going to do anything. GK itself is just plain boring.

Quote:
Yes we pay the usd to get more gold time but this isn't like WoW where they have a ton of staff who will update with new content. We as members have been told a few times by Bjorn to submit stuff to him or Stefan. I guess I got lucky that Stefan will be using my dungeon when its fully complete.
I'd be willing (and able) to help out but you gotta tell me what you need.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 06-20-2007, 05:44 PM
Draenin Draenin is offline
Magnificent Bastard
Draenin's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Bermuda Triangle
Posts: 6,790
Draenin has much to be proud ofDraenin has much to be proud ofDraenin has much to be proud ofDraenin has much to be proud ofDraenin has much to be proud ofDraenin has much to be proud of
Send a message via AIM to Draenin Send a message via MSN to Draenin Send a message via Yahoo to Draenin
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979
Well then instead of complaining about it get on your graal editor or gani editor and make new stuff for GK
Yeah, make stuff that won't get uploaded.
Quote:
Originally Posted by RavenBlade1979
Basically I usually see him working on stuff.
There's a pretty good reason why you usually see him and only him working on things.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979
Yes we pay the usd to get more gold time but this isn't like WoW where they have a ton of staff who will update with new content.
We could potentially have that, but nearly every user now is not trusted with duties like that.
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 06-20-2007, 06:12 PM
TheJames TheJames is offline
Atrius Manager
TheJames's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 581
TheJames can only hope to improve
Stefan/Unixmad made their money. I'm sure they would like more, but as of now it's not a big thing to them. Graal is a side project. It's not their actually job. Newer games hire 24/7 staff team members that get paid to do updates and ****.
__________________
Contact me on Skype: "skype.sam.lorenz"

James,
Manager of Atrius
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 06-20-2007, 06:22 PM
Ravenblade1979 Ravenblade1979 is offline
Dark Ravenblade
Ravenblade1979's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba
Posts: 3,151
Ravenblade1979 is an unknown quantity at this point
Send a message via MSN to Ravenblade1979
Gerami just pm Stefan and see what he would like done..maybe new monsters, dungeon maps, items...etc.

Its not that people aren't trusted its just that you have to get by Bjorn with your monster or map and he has certain things he won't allow.
__________________
If love can be funny then why can it write bad jokes?
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 06-20-2007, 07:39 PM
Ziro_of_the_Turks Ziro_of_the_Turks is offline
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 887
Ziro_of_the_Turks will become famous soon enough
Adding new content doesn't always fix things. You can't pile gold and diamonds on top of trash and except it to not stink :P
Doing this doesn't address Ed's VALID points about what's wrong or what needs to be done.
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old 06-20-2007, 07:41 PM
Gambet Gambet is offline
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 2,712
Gambet is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziro_of_the_Turks View Post
Adding new content doesn't always fix things. You can't pile gold and diamonds on top of trash and except it to not stink :P
Doing this doesn't address Ed's VALID points about what's wrong or what needs to be done.



A trash can filled with gold and diamonds would not stink.
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old 06-20-2007, 07:45 PM
Ziro_of_the_Turks Ziro_of_the_Turks is offline
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 887
Ziro_of_the_Turks will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gambet View Post
A trash can filled with gold and diamonds would not stink.
lol... I tried...
But hopefully I made some kind of point?

Adding more content doesn't fix the things that are broken.
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old 06-20-2007, 07:56 PM
CidNight1142 CidNight1142 is offline
I Fight Bears
CidNight1142's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: CT, USA
Posts: 2,197
CidNight1142 is on a distinguished road
I think in the past it was argued because people actually still played GK. But I really think they should wipe. Everyone level 1, no items. It might atleast give the server a couple months worth of fun before it disappears.
__________________
Cid Night
Retired GK Staff
Golden Pluffy Winner in Poetry
A poet never takes notes. You never take notes in a love affair.
Robert Frost
Reply With Quote
  #49  
Old 06-20-2007, 07:59 PM
Ziro_of_the_Turks Ziro_of_the_Turks is offline
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 887
Ziro_of_the_Turks will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by zell12 View Post
Just stop upgrading your accounts. They will get the message. Stop logging on, play a different game maybe? Wow, some of you have been playing this game long enough, figured at least some of you would smarten up by now...
Yeah... my subscription just ran out. Maybe I won't upgrade, and maybe I'll just play some other games... :[
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old 06-20-2007, 08:33 PM
cyan3 cyan3 is offline
Registered User
cyan3's Avatar
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: England
Posts: 2,919
cyan3 has a brilliant futurecyan3 has a brilliant futurecyan3 has a brilliant futurecyan3 has a brilliant futurecyan3 has a brilliant futurecyan3 has a brilliant futurecyan3 has a brilliant future
Quote:
Originally Posted by CidNight1142 View Post
I think in the past it was argued because people actually still played GK. But I really think they should wipe. Everyone level 1, no items. It might atleast give the server a couple months worth of fun before it disappears.
A reset will make more people quit than making the any game fun.
Reply With Quote
  #51  
Old 06-20-2007, 08:34 PM
Draenin Draenin is offline
Magnificent Bastard
Draenin's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Bermuda Triangle
Posts: 6,790
Draenin has much to be proud ofDraenin has much to be proud ofDraenin has much to be proud ofDraenin has much to be proud ofDraenin has much to be proud ofDraenin has much to be proud of
Send a message via AIM to Draenin Send a message via MSN to Draenin Send a message via Yahoo to Draenin
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyan3
A reset will make more people quit than making the any game fun.
Correct.
Reply With Quote
  #52  
Old 06-20-2007, 08:56 PM
OasaTor_PK OasaTor_PK is offline
Don't Go Mister!
OasaTor_PK's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Brandon, Manitoba, Canada
Posts: 1,175
OasaTor_PK is a jewel in the roughOasaTor_PK is a jewel in the rough
Send a message via AIM to OasaTor_PK
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyan3 View Post
A reset will make more people quit than making the any game fun.
Then make GK-Classic, and then release the SAME THING, where people can start over, on GK-Reborn, or something of that.

I personally don't care what happens, I definately wont be reupgrading, but I could see 2 differnt servers where the elitists can play by them selves, then everyone on a different server can start over.
Reply With Quote
  #53  
Old 06-20-2007, 08:57 PM
CidNight1142 CidNight1142 is offline
I Fight Bears
CidNight1142's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: CT, USA
Posts: 2,197
CidNight1142 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyan3 View Post
A reset will make more people quit than making the any game fun.
Eh. So the server goes from 4 people to 2 1/2. Big loss.
__________________
Cid Night
Retired GK Staff
Golden Pluffy Winner in Poetry
A poet never takes notes. You never take notes in a love affair.
Robert Frost
Reply With Quote
  #54  
Old 06-20-2007, 09:54 PM
MadScience7 MadScience7 is offline
Registered User
MadScience7's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 177
MadScience7 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyan3 View Post
A reset will make more people quit than making the any game fun.
Time for a poll !
__________________
Commander Alan Steele - CP
Reply With Quote
  #55  
Old 06-20-2007, 09:59 PM
CidNight1142 CidNight1142 is offline
I Fight Bears
CidNight1142's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: CT, USA
Posts: 2,197
CidNight1142 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by MadScience7 View Post
Time for a poll !
I love you, Alan.
__________________
Cid Night
Retired GK Staff
Golden Pluffy Winner in Poetry
A poet never takes notes. You never take notes in a love affair.
Robert Frost
Reply With Quote
  #56  
Old 06-20-2007, 10:54 PM
Crono Crono is offline
:pluffy:
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Sweden
Posts: 20,000
Crono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by OasaTor_PK View Post
Then make GK-Classic, and then release the SAME THING, where people can start over, on GK-Reborn, or something of that.
Exactly what I'm thinking. From what I remember Graal has always had one flagship server, it's time to let GK go classic.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #57  
Old 06-20-2007, 10:57 PM
Googi Googi is offline
A Serious Epidemic
Googi's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Canada
Posts: 18,866
Googi has much to be proud ofGoogi has much to be proud ofGoogi has much to be proud ofGoogi has much to be proud ofGoogi has much to be proud ofGoogi has much to be proud of
Send a message via AIM to Googi
A reset goes the same just about every time on every server. A bunch of people who hardly play/don't play anymore clamour for a reset. Then it happens and they play for a few weeks then get bored again and the server is left with half the playerbase it had before the reset.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #58  
Old 06-20-2007, 10:59 PM
Crono Crono is offline
:pluffy:
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Sweden
Posts: 20,000
Crono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by Googi View Post
A reset goes the same just about every time on every server. A bunch of people who hardly play/don't play anymore clamour for a reset. Then it happens and they play for a few weeks then get bored again and the server is left with half the playerbase it had before the reset.
Zodiac's obviously went smoothly, and when Delteria went down and came back up in 2002 (reset of course) it had even more players than before.

Would be neat to see if on the classic list though.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #59  
Old 06-20-2007, 11:06 PM
pooper200000 pooper200000 is offline
The Blackswan
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Asylum
Posts: 5,060
pooper200000 will become famous soon enough
Send a message via AIM to pooper200000
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerami View Post
Zodiac's obviously went smoothly, and when Delteria went down and came back up in 2002 (reset of course) it had even more players than before.

Would be neat to see if on the classic list though.
so if it was on classic could the admin's add updates whenever they want?
__________________
Always Watching!
Reply With Quote
  #60  
Old 06-20-2007, 11:07 PM
Ravenblade1979 Ravenblade1979 is offline
Dark Ravenblade
Ravenblade1979's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba
Posts: 3,151
Ravenblade1979 is an unknown quantity at this point
Send a message via MSN to Ravenblade1979
Put Gk to classic....let Zone stay gold.

That way they could get a dev team and more staff without having to worry if a ton of things won't go through.
__________________
If love can be funny then why can it write bad jokes?
Reply With Quote
  #61  
Old 06-20-2007, 11:10 PM
Googi Googi is offline
A Serious Epidemic
Googi's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Canada
Posts: 18,866
Googi has much to be proud ofGoogi has much to be proud ofGoogi has much to be proud ofGoogi has much to be proud ofGoogi has much to be proud ofGoogi has much to be proud of
Send a message via AIM to Googi
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerami View Post
Zodiac's obviously went smoothly, and when Delteria went down and came back up in 2002 (reset of course) it had even more players than before.
Those servers weren't reset in an attempt to get old players back.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #62  
Old 06-20-2007, 11:13 PM
Crono Crono is offline
:pluffy:
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Sweden
Posts: 20,000
Crono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by Googi View Post
Those servers weren't reset in an attempt to get old players back.
Well I took you literally from...

Quote:
A reset goes the same just about every time on every server.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #63  
Old 06-20-2007, 11:16 PM
Googi Googi is offline
A Serious Epidemic
Googi's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Canada
Posts: 18,866
Googi has much to be proud ofGoogi has much to be proud ofGoogi has much to be proud ofGoogi has much to be proud ofGoogi has much to be proud ofGoogi has much to be proud of
Send a message via AIM to Googi
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerami View Post
Well I took you literally from...
It's fine that you took me literally because I said "just about".
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #64  
Old 06-20-2007, 11:45 PM
Crono Crono is offline
:pluffy:
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Sweden
Posts: 20,000
Crono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond reputeCrono has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by Googi View Post
It's fine that you took me literally because I said "just about".
Maybe GK will join with Zodiac' and Delteria's trend then.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #65  
Old 06-21-2007, 12:07 AM
Ziro_of_the_Turks Ziro_of_the_Turks is offline
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 887
Ziro_of_the_Turks will become famous soon enough
It would be nice to see two different GK servers. Then we would see if everyone wants a reset or not, lol. Everyone who wants to keep their stuff could stay on the old server, and everyone who wants a "reset" could go to the new one. Then we'll really see which has a higher playerbase.
Reply With Quote
  #66  
Old 06-21-2007, 12:23 AM
Gothika Gothika is offline
Global News Team
Gothika's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Newcastle, England
Posts: 2,425
Gothika is a splendid one to beholdGothika is a splendid one to beholdGothika is a splendid one to beholdGothika is a splendid one to beholdGothika is a splendid one to behold
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziro_of_the_Turks View Post
It would be nice to see two different GK servers. Then we would see if everyone wants a reset or not, lol. Everyone who wants to keep their stuff could stay on the old server, and everyone who wants a "reset" could go to the new one. Then we'll really see which has a higher playerbase.
And then where would they go from there? Keep the server with the highest playerbase? Either way people are getting screwed over.
__________________


Reply With Quote
  #67  
Old 06-21-2007, 12:29 AM
Ziro_of_the_Turks Ziro_of_the_Turks is offline
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 887
Ziro_of_the_Turks will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gothika View Post
And then where would they go from there? Keep the server with the highest playerbase? Either way people are getting screwed over.
I know. Isn't it great? :]

Actually, they should keep both, and the one with more playerbase is the one that they focus on updating more. Eventually noone will want to play the other, but it'll be more clear- either a new start (or reset) was the better idea, or it wasn't. And if people do want to play the other- even better... I guess.
Reply With Quote
  #68  
Old 06-21-2007, 12:37 AM
zokemon zokemon is offline
That one guy...
zokemon's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Sonoma County, California
Posts: 2,925
zokemon is a jewel in the roughzokemon is a jewel in the rough
Send a message via ICQ to zokemon Send a message via AIM to zokemon Send a message via MSN to zokemon Send a message via Yahoo to zokemon
I just don't really see this happening.

If GK goes classic, who would gain rights to manage it? I don't think Stefan would manage a classic server.
__________________
Do it with a DON!
Reply With Quote
  #69  
Old 06-21-2007, 12:40 AM
Ziro_of_the_Turks Ziro_of_the_Turks is offline
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 887
Ziro_of_the_Turks will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by zokemon View Post
I just don't really see this happening.

If GK goes classic, who would gain rights to manage it? I don't think Stefan would manage a classic server.
Ooo, have the 2 servers stay gold at first, and then after a while the less-popular one goes classic, to some different management.

I don't see this happening either actually. It just seems like a nice idea.

Edit: But it seems like there were 2 different ideas that came about.
One was for GK to just go classic.And another idea was for 2 GK's.
I can see GK just going classic if Stefan managed Zone... Who manages Zone anyways?
Reply With Quote
  #70  
Old 06-21-2007, 02:57 AM
CABAL49 CABAL49 is offline
Shamed Zorbi
CABAL49's Avatar
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 1,267
CABAL49 has a spectacular aura about
Send a message via AIM to CABAL49
Get 2K1 back.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaimetsu View Post
What logical reason is there to be loyal?
What logical reason is there to implement your view of right/wrong?
Reply With Quote
  #71  
Old 06-21-2007, 05:32 AM
Draenin Draenin is offline
Magnificent Bastard
Draenin's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Bermuda Triangle
Posts: 6,790
Draenin has much to be proud ofDraenin has much to be proud ofDraenin has much to be proud ofDraenin has much to be proud ofDraenin has much to be proud ofDraenin has much to be proud of
Send a message via AIM to Draenin Send a message via MSN to Draenin Send a message via Yahoo to Draenin
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerami
Zodiac's obviously went smoothly
That's because Zodiac has the sort of system in place where a lot of people can earn their former standing in a very short time.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979
Put Gk to classic....let Zone stay gold.
Like I mentioned in another thread:

Kingdoms -> Classic
Zodiac -> Gold
Zone -> No Change

The playercount is very much tilted in favor of Zodiac. It has proven to be more stable, more played, and more engaging than Kingdoms has in the past few months, and I would have no objection to subscribing for Zodiac, because I like the server. Even more important, it has quite a few people running it that actually know what they're doing.
Reply With Quote
  #72  
Old 06-21-2007, 05:42 AM
Googi Googi is offline
A Serious Epidemic
Googi's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Canada
Posts: 18,866
Googi has much to be proud ofGoogi has much to be proud ofGoogi has much to be proud ofGoogi has much to be proud ofGoogi has much to be proud ofGoogi has much to be proud of
Send a message via AIM to Googi
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerami View Post
Maybe GK will join with Zodiac' and Delteria's trend then.
You don't just go "hay guys let's reset and see if we get lucky." You look at the nature of the server and what state it was in when it was reset. I should warn you in advance (since you've complained about this kind of thing) that this post is going to be long and have a lot of "unnecessary information" because I want everybody, and not just you, to understand the differences between 2K2 and Zodiac.

Zodiac breaks one of the fundamental rules of building a server that's successful in the long run. The rule that the player must never be allowed to "beat the game". Zodiac allows players to reach the point at which training becomes obsolete (we'll call it "maximum level" even though I'm aware that term isn't entirely accurate) way too easily. As a result, Zodiac players are "allowed" to stop training while they're still willing to train (even though they probably don't "want" to) and the server pretty much has to reset just to reset just so that it can "access" the remaining willingness of the players to train. 2K2 never allows the player to reach the maximum level so it doesn't have this problem (remember that maximum level means the point where training becomes obsolete, not just having a base level of 110).

The best way to fully illustrate how this works is with a graph.



Y-axis: Willingness of the player to train
X-axis: How much the player has trained
Orange Line: Willingness of the player to train
Red Line: Training Willingness Threshold - the player is no longer willing to train when willingness to train drops below this point.
Grey Line: Amount of training required to reach maximum level on Zodiac.
Gold Line: Amount of training required to reach maximum level on 2K2.
Point A: Point at which player stops training because he has reached maximum level.
Point B: Point at which player stops training because he is unwilling to train even though he hasn't reached maximum level.

A truly efficient server (like 2K2 and not Zodiac) pushes the players to point B by having the amount of training required to reach the maximum level be to the right of point B for every single player. Since Zodiac is not a truly efficient server, it has to reset in order to push the players to point B. (Zodiac's staff probably aren't smart enough to fully realize this, they were just lucky that this happens to be the nature of their server and thus a reset wasn't damaging).

Of course, in reality, the orange line isn't a perfectly straight downward sloping line. A player's willingness to train can be increased by various factors (such as willingness to train "regenerating" over periods of time when the player doesn't train), but in the long run a straight downward sloping line pretty much matches reality.

Delteria, however, I don't know jack about.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #73  
Old 06-21-2007, 06:21 AM
zokemon zokemon is offline
That one guy...
zokemon's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Sonoma County, California
Posts: 2,925
zokemon is a jewel in the roughzokemon is a jewel in the rough
Send a message via ICQ to zokemon Send a message via AIM to zokemon Send a message via MSN to zokemon Send a message via Yahoo to zokemon
Quote:
Originally Posted by Googi View Post
stuff
I totally agree and thus warrented a powerful 7 rep from me!
__________________
Do it with a DON!
Reply With Quote
  #74  
Old 06-21-2007, 06:31 AM
kia345 kia345 is offline
z0rbi 4 life 🤘
kia345's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: delteria
Posts: 6,737
kia345 has a reputation beyond reputekia345 has a reputation beyond reputekia345 has a reputation beyond reputekia345 has a reputation beyond reputekia345 has a reputation beyond reputekia345 has a reputation beyond reputekia345 has a reputation beyond reputekia345 has a reputation beyond reputekia345 has a reputation beyond reputekia345 has a reputation beyond reputekia345 has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by Googi View Post
Delteria, however, I don't know jack about.
So far they haven't had anything to with levels (yet) .
__________________
pojo
Reply With Quote
  #75  
Old 06-21-2007, 06:56 AM
oinknessx oinknessx is offline
Banned
oinknessx's Avatar
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 646
oinknessx is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to oinknessx
Quote:
Originally Posted by zell12 View Post
Just stop upgrading your accounts. They will get the message. Stop logging on, play a different game maybe? Wow, some of you have been playing this game long enough, figured at least some of you would smarten up by now...
The meek inherit the playerworlds. ^_^
Reply With Quote
  #76  
Old 06-21-2007, 07:39 AM
Ziro_of_the_Turks Ziro_of_the_Turks is offline
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 887
Ziro_of_the_Turks will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by Googi View Post
You don't just go "hay guys let's reset and see if we get lucky." You look at the nature of the server and what state it was in when it was reset. I should warn you in advance (since you've complained about this kind of thing) that this post is going to be long and have a lot of "unnecessary information" because I want everybody, and not just you, to understand the differences between 2K2 and Zodiac.

Zodiac breaks one of the fundamental rules of building a server that's successful in the long run. The rule that the player must never be allowed to "beat the game". Zodiac allows players to reach the point at which training becomes obsolete (we'll call it "maximum level" even though I'm aware that term isn't entirely accurate) way too easily. As a result, Zodiac players are "allowed" to stop training while they're still willing to train (even though they probably don't "want" to) and the server pretty much has to reset just to reset just so that it can "access" the remaining willingness of the players to train. 2K2 never allows the player to reach the maximum level so it doesn't have this problem (remember that maximum level means the point where training becomes obsolete, not just having a base level of 110).

The best way to fully illustrate how this works is with a graph.



Y-axis: Willingness of the player to train
X-axis: How much the player has trained
Orange Line: Willingness of the player to train
Red Line: Training Willingness Threshold - the player is no longer willing to train when willingness to train drops below this point.
Grey Line: Amount of training required to reach maximum level on Zodiac.
Gold Line: Amount of training required to reach maximum level on 2K2.
Point A: Point at which player stops training because he has reached maximum level.
Point B: Point at which player stops training because he is unwilling to train even though he hasn't reached maximum level.

A truly efficient server (like 2K2 and not Zodiac) pushes the players to point B by having the amount of training required to reach the maximum level be to the right of point B for every single player. Since Zodiac is not a truly efficient server, it has to reset in order to push the players to point B. (Zodiac's staff probably aren't smart enough to fully realize this, they were just lucky that this happens to be the nature of their server and thus a reset wasn't damaging).

Of course, in reality, the orange line isn't a perfectly straight downward sloping line. A player's willingness to train can be increased by various factors (such as willingness to train "regenerating" over periods of time when the player doesn't train), but in the long run a straight downward sloping line pretty much matches reality.

Delteria, however, I don't know jack about.


Thanks for that graph. It's pretty funny- I don't think you had to do all that to explain it all, and I think it could have been explained in a much simpler way (or maybe it just seems easy once u understand it). But in all- nice presentation
Reply With Quote
  #77  
Old 06-21-2007, 08:46 AM
Gothika Gothika is offline
Global News Team
Gothika's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Newcastle, England
Posts: 2,425
Gothika is a splendid one to beholdGothika is a splendid one to beholdGothika is a splendid one to beholdGothika is a splendid one to beholdGothika is a splendid one to behold
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziro_of_the_Turks View Post
Thanks for that graph. It's pretty funny- I don't think you had to do all that to explain it all, and I think it could have been explained in a much simpler way (or maybe it just seems easy once u understand it). But in all- nice presentation
Yeah, and Googi does prove a good point. That once people on Zodiac reach level 50 (I think thats the max level) They have nothing left to do but wait for a nation to attack there forts, or vice versa.
__________________


Reply With Quote
  #78  
Old 06-21-2007, 10:07 AM
Tigairius Tigairius is offline
The Cat
Tigairius's Avatar
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Missouri, USA
Posts: 4,240
Tigairius has a brilliant futureTigairius has a brilliant futureTigairius has a brilliant futureTigairius has a brilliant futureTigairius has a brilliant futureTigairius has a brilliant futureTigairius has a brilliant futureTigairius has a brilliant future
No, no and NO. GK can NOT become classic. If GK becomes classic, some ***** will get management, make it too complicated, just like all of the other crappy graal servers, hire a bunch of corrupt idiots, and chase all of the cool people away, THEN more people like Ravenblade would play GK, and that would just not be fun at all.
__________________


“Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.”
Reply With Quote
  #79  
Old 06-21-2007, 10:15 AM
NightmareNight NightmareNight is offline
Nyte Magus
NightmareNight's Avatar
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 119
NightmareNight is an unknown quantity at this point
Send a message via AIM to NightmareNight
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigairius View Post
No, no and NO. GK can NOT become classic. If GK becomes classic, some ***** will get management, make it too complicated, just like all of the other crappy graal servers, hire a bunch of corrupt idiots, and chase all of the cool people away, THEN more people like Ravenblade would play GK, and that would just not be fun at all.
i.e. Era.
Reply With Quote
  #80  
Old 06-21-2007, 10:42 AM
Darklux Darklux is offline
Petrification of a Newbie
Darklux's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Dortmund, Germany
Posts: 1,375
Darklux is a jewel in the roughDarklux is a jewel in the rough
Send a message via ICQ to Darklux Send a message via AIM to Darklux Send a message via Yahoo to Darklux
The current problem afaik is, that only Stefan and Björn can transfer stuff of debug to gk.

Another is, that this mudlib stuff of gk seems to be very complicated and very instable, I still renember that the npcserver on debug was constantly broken or something
+ I bet its hard to program.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 11:04 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright (C) 1998-2019 Toonslab All Rights Reserved.