Graal Benifits

[Devil]

Originally Posted by Deadly_Killer

I think we are better off asking why you are such a negative person.

Don't act like you know who I am.. my statement was fine, and it was far from negative, it's a good talking point.

You retards keep paying for this game, while Stefan and unixmad sit back and take it all, you develop it for them, and you continue to pay.. where are your returns? Benefits?

You are promised things that never happen, or arrive months to years late.

[Chandler]

Originally Posted by Devil

Don't act like you know who I am.. my statement was fine, and it was far from negative, it's a good talking point.

You retards keep paying for this game, while Stefan and unixmad sit back and take it all, you develop it for them, and you continue to pay.. where are your returns? Benefits?

You are promised things that never happen, or arrive months to years late.

I don't mind learning from Graal.

[Devil]

Learning on how to be ripped off?

Told what you can and can't say?

[Chandler]

That's your view on it, I don't see myself being ripped off as I actually play Graal Kingdoms and while I play I am also learning. I guess if you didn't play, and you didn't intend on learning, then you're being ripped off. However, which idiot would pay for something that they don't enjoy?

[Kirble]

To expand on that, what...exactly is it that you are learning?

If you are referring to developmental skills, here's my break down:

Graphics: So you can make pixel art, wahey, where else are you gonna use pixel art apart from if you get a job at habbo hotel o.o
This, however, is the best chance you have of a career aspect as you can easily expand on your graphic options.

Scripting: It's GScript, it's useless, apart from this game. May...possibly end up with you wanting to learn a scripting language...although it may not.

Sound: Yeah, ok, you can make nice midi files, I'd say one of the only talented people at sound I know is Rage, he makes good music aswell, however.

Leveling: ...'Nuff said.

Gani: Animation...using a Graal tool. That's about as far as that goes.

Please if I have missed any, tell me so I can continue....

I hope you see my point.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Kirble

To expand on that, what...exactly is it that you are learning?

If you are referring to developmental skills, here's my break down:

Graphics: So you can make pixel art, wahey, where else are you gonna use pixel art apart from if you get a job at habbo hotel o.o
This, however, is the best chance you have of a career aspect as you can easily expand on your graphic options.

Scripting: It's GScript, it's useless, apart from this game. May...possibly end up with you wanting to learn a scripting language...although it may not.

Sound: Yeah, ok, you can make nice midi files, I'd say one of the only talented people at sound I know is Rage, he makes good music aswell, however.

Leveling: ...'Nuff said.

Gani: Animation...using a Graal tool. That's about as far as that goes.

Please if I have missed any, tell me so I can continue....

I hope you see my point.

Do you have any idea on how similar GS2 is to other scripting languages? Especially PHP.

Sounds? Ever tried looking in your games folders? I see tons of .wav files.

And by making Graphics and Levels you really improve your sense of details.

[Kirble]

Originally Posted by xXziroXx

Do you have any idea on how similar GS2 is to other scripting languages? Especially PHP.

Sounds? Ever tried looking in your games folders? I see tons of .wav files.

And by making Graphics and Levels you really improve your sense of details.

Yes, as I said people whom script can move on, graphic designers can move on easy enough.
Levels, I had never really thought of that, although it is a minor detail seeing as, some people are good at leveling, it doesn't mean that they are good at graphics and so it enhances their detailing in a real job.

About the sound, ok, there are tons of .wav files, but most of them are of a low standard to what is expected in a real job now-a-days. It is experience and could possibly be moved on from but I would love to see how someone would aspire to become a sound producer from this game.

[xXziroXx]

You sound as though all music artists on Graal only make MIDIs and low standard .wav files.

Check out the YouTube url in this post; http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=73914

THATS what you'll be hearing on Graal in a near future.

[Chandler]

Doesn't matter what it is, you're still learning.
I don't know about you, Kirble, however I don't just learn something because I have to, it's because I am more than likley interested.

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Chandler

Doesn't matter what it is, you're still learning.
I don't know about you, Kirble, however I don't just learn something because I have to, it's because I am more than likley interested.

I agree.

[Kirble]

Fair point Ziro, he seems quite talented, but how many sound makers on graal are of that quality? I'm not sure. I mean obviously, I can now see that yes, if they stick at it and learn how to make sound then they can become good.

However, I still stick to my point that I don't believe we learn from Graal, I believe it just provides a basis as of where it makes us think, "Wow, it would be cool if I could do that" and then most developers in a sense go out a google stuff.

I don't believe we learn from Graal, it just sparks the idea of wanting to learn off. I suppose that's how I have came along in graphics. Graal sparked an interest and I ventured out to look at techniques using search engines and different web pages.

I have received help from other Developers on Graal, but I have never learned anything from Graal.

[Chandler]

Is that so? Filter One my friend

[xXziroXx]

Alright, let me say it like this then..

Around 5 years ago, I changed from playing Graal to developing on Graal. The thing that got my interest first, was scripting. However, I was a complete newb at it, I didn't even understand what "if (timeout)" did when people explained for me. I though of a timeout in like hockey.

But I kept on experimenting.. and experimenting.. and then some more experimenting. Eventually, I was good enough to do most things I wanted too. And nowadays, I can do anything I want too!

Hell, before I started scripting on Graal, I couldn't understand a **** of PHP and stuff either. Now when I want to program in C++ or PHP, I actually understand what I'm doing! All thanks to Graal. So yes, we do learn from it.

I can also truthfully say that I've gotten better at graphics thanks to making levels for a long time. It simply gave me a better sense of details. I haven't made a single SERIOUS level in years though, and I don't think I'll push my luck to see if I still got it in me.

[Kirble]

Did you learn actually from Graal though or did you go outside of Graal to look at tutorials for graphic designing, or did you obtain help from others?

[xXziroXx]

Originally Posted by Kirble

Did you learn actually from Graal though or did you go outside of Graal to look at tutorials for graphic designing, or did you obtain help from others?

I'm 100% self taught, from Graal only.