Bell, the New PWA?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Devil

No she isn't new to Graal. Another old person, old as in with age aswell.

Is the fact that she is an older adult what your problem is? That is what I sense....

Originally Posted by killerogue

I'm sick of this. As far as people questioning whether or not she's qualified or capable or WHATEVER. I've have spoken to Bell several times about issues with Dual Ortus and questions about other things regarding playerworld information on Graal. And each time she answered efficiently and polite. Helpful each and every time. So as far as her being unqualified and not deserving of it I completely disagree. O_O And no I'm not kissing ass either. I'm just being honest. And wish for you all who have negative comments about her to SHUT THE **** UP.

Bell has always been very helpful to me on Classic, and a lot of other people praised her also. From what I have seen, she is very helpful, and fair in everything that she does. That's just how she is.

Originally Posted by Andy0687

It dosent matter what you know, only who you know. You can learn the job after you get it.

You know what? I became well known from Managing N-Pulse...actually, the way I managed N-Pulse. I wasn't friends with anyone, but hard work, following and enforcing Graal rules, being helpful, being respectful and polite and helping Graal was most definately noticed.

Originally Posted by Devil

Wow she answered some questions I'm sure anyone can answer.

*Claps*

How many people would bother, and do it in a respectful manner on every playerworld? I am sure this is what higher ups have noticed in her on Classic, and maybe she has helped others with issues outside of Classic as well.

Originally Posted by _Z3phyr_

edit - oh nvm i see we're mad because stefan didn't come over and pick any of us how rude

That's what I am sensing also *shrugs*

Originally Posted by Sam

Shut down your computer and go outsite to see whats going on in the real life!

Ok!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Devil

Perhaps you don't understand what I was trying to say, because you're foreign?"

Foreign in the internet? I guess you've tried to say that english isn't my first language, which is correct and obvious for a german.

Originally Posted by Devil

Is it just me, or do you always try and make people out to be completely stupid, and think you're always smarter than them? That's all I've seen you do in some of your posts.
You're far from correct Sammy. "

I'll answer this question in a PM because I don't want to make you looking bad.

Now let's go back to the topic and feel free to send me a PM for further replies.

[Bell]

I would like to thank you all for such an interesting and entertaining welcome. Yes, even Devil because its alright that not everyone agrees on the decision. Graal is more like real life than anyone is ever willing to admit. You will never please all the people all the time and you're doing good if you please some of the people some of the time. Oh, and yes Tyhm, it was verified that I am the same Bell. It was just a request that I use this account so people would find it easier to spot Bell when they needed me.

[Crono]

congrats?

[Mandangop2p]

Hi Bell

[Tyhm]

Originally Posted by Bell

I would like to thank you all for such an interesting and entertaining welcome. Yes, even Devil because its alright that not everyone agrees on the decision. Graal is more like real life than anyone is ever willing to admit. You will never please all the people all the time and you're doing good if you please some of the people some of the time. Oh, and yes Tyhm, it was verified that I am the same Bell. It was just a request that I use this account so people would find it easier to spot Bell when they needed me.

Cool. Yeah, I'm not much for the back-slide into Secret Hiring Sessions - it's lazy, but it's efficient, it smells of corruption, but it's a reliable way of choosing fair administrators, it's unfair to the general populous, but it gets the job done...it's how things were back in 2000, when Nightlord tried to put his friend Pendragon on the LAT Throne, when Lycia gave the FAQ to "Anyone But Shadowfox", when Antago got Destiny uploaded against the staunch refusal of the reigning LAT Admin...

But even I remember Bell as being one of the trusty original admins, so rock on.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Sam

Where is it written that the management have to ask the users of the game what staff they are allowed to hire? Next you want to decide what they are allowed to charge from you when you want to buy gold membership.
Shut down your computer and go outsite to see whats going on in the real life!

Just because im expressing an opinion you have to try to be a "Holier then Thou" jerk, maybe its also got something to do with your position, or maybe your superiority complex.

Maybe you if you spent less time trying to come up with insults that we could understand over the language barrier, and more time focusing on being a good Super-Mod. These forums wouldnt completely suck.

Just kidding, they still would. Next.

Didnt you say something about getting to express your opinion over the internet? Then get the hell off my opinion im tired of it. I didnt say anyone had to do anything I said.

Then again you were hired to Super Mod and all that stuff in "In House" hirings as well, so why would you have anything bad to say against them?

Originally Posted by hampy

lmao owned!

Hey nice come from behind, next thing you know youll also find yourself a good position (assuming you dont already have one, and I could really care less if you do or not so try not to make a reply towards me).

Originally Posted by Darlene159

You know what? I became well known from Managing N-Pulse...actually, the way I managed N-Pulse. I wasn't friends with anyone, but hard work, following and enforcing Graal rules, being helpful, being respectful and polite and helping Graal was most definately noticed.

Im going to take the time out to reply to this, since you took the time out to make such a thoughtful reply to my post.

You know what? When you left N-Pulse im not sure if I ever saw more happy graalians. Obviously you werent friends with anyone you can tell by the way they speak of your management. Unless they became friends with you during that time. Fact is you probably were one of if not the longest manager of any classic playerworld on the list, you enforced the rules as if they were real life, and you were "polite and respectful" about it. So what?

At the end of the day your post has nothing to do with what I was saying, who the hell wants to waste all their time applying for a position they might not get when they can just get someone they know to get them into it?

I would believe you if you said you would, but thats where you missed out on this Giant thing we call a generation gap. Its not that way anymore, and thats the problem.

Its as much real life as anywhere else just like Bell said, and in real life, even if you apply to a place, chances are that if someone knows someone, even if they are not as qualified as you are, they will get the job. So no matter if they had just outright hired bell with no hiring of any sort, or had made a thread about it and humored us, who cares.

Fact is they didnt even try.

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[Lord Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

That's what I am sensing also *shrugs*

You guys are so ignorant sometimes. It's the same argument every day on these forums, some players with good points talk, but because there are some players that are dumb and spam wrong information enter threads, you just assume we're all talking about the same thing.

Maybe if you two would read what most of us are saying you'd understand that we couldn't give a rats ass if it was Bell, Googi or ****ing Excalibur picked for PWA over us, what we're all talking about is that it's not whether or not this person is qualified for the job it's how she got the job.

And don't even try to tell me she got it through applying because even you thinking about it is going to send my bull****-o-meter off.

Many people have said that, and truthfully, It's not what you know it's Who you know, what happened the last time the Globals held open staff trials? They ended up picking Calani and GrowlZ, GrowlZ probably deserved it, I didn't know GrowlZ that much, but I know for a fact that Calani didn't deserve it, but she got it anyways, wasn't she dating GrowlZ at the time?

I'm sick of getting talked down to by moderators and globals, contrary to popular belief you don't have all the answers, and it doesn't help any when you don't care enough to try and understand what we're saying.

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[Gambet]

Calani was dating --Chris--

[Lord Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Gambet

Calani was dating --Chris--

Yeah that was a while ago, I knew she was dating someone that got her in, I just kind of name dropped at that point.

[Devil]

Originally Posted by Lord Sephiroth

You guys are so ignorant sometimes. It's the same argument every day on these forums, some players with good points talk, but because there are some players that are dumb and spam wrong information enter threads, you just assume we're all talking about the same thing.

Maybe if you two would read what most of us are saying you'd understand that we couldn't give a rats ass if it was Bell, Googi or ****ing Excalibur picked for PWA over us, what we're all talking about is that it's not whether or not this person is qualified for the job it's how she got the job.

And don't even try to tell me she got it through applying because even you thinking about it is going to send my bull****-o-meter off.

Many people have said that, and truthfully, It's not what you know it's Who you know, what happened the last time the Globals held open staff trials? They ended up picking Calani and GrowlZ, GrowlZ probably deserved it, I didn't know GrowlZ that much, but I know for a fact that Calani didn't deserve it, but she got it anyways, wasn't she dating GrowlZ at the time?

I'm sick of getting talked down to by moderators and globals, contrary to popular belief you don't have all the answers, and it doesn't help any when you don't care enough to try and understand what we're saying.

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Yes, that part is correct.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

You know what? When you left N-Pulse im not sure if I ever saw more happy graalians. Obviously you werent friends with anyone you can tell by the way they speak of your management. Unless they became friends with you during that time. Fact is you probably were one of if not the longest manager of any classic playerworld on the list, you enforced the rules as if they were real life, and you were "polite and respectful" about it. So what?

You are right. I know that a large portion of the players of N-Pulse were happy that I was gone, that is a large reason why I left. You see, Graalians do not want Managers or staff who enforce the Graal rules, or even the forum rules, they want staff who overlook that trivial stuff.

At the end of the day your post has nothing to do with what I was saying, who the hell wants to waste all their time applying for a position they might not get when they can just get someone they know to get them into it?

From what I can see, most, if not all of the globals in place now are very dependable adults (or near adults, not sure of this) who do not seem to be the type to just recommend their friends for a high position just to be doing it. I am pretty sure that if they recommend someone, it is because they believe the person is qualified for the job.

Originally Posted by Lord Sephiroth

Maybe if you two would read what most of us are saying you'd understand that we couldn't give a rats ass if it was Bell, Googi or ****ing Excalibur picked for PWA over us, what we're all talking about is that it's not whether or not this person is qualified for the job it's how she got the job.

How do you know how she got the job? Are you assuming? If Ibonic recommended her, I would trust the recommendation because I trust Ibonic, even if they were friends, he would not recommend her for the job if he didn't think she could do it.
I don't think an application process is the way to go when hiring globals. I think they should be hired by gaining trust over time.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

You are right. I know that a large portion of the players of N-Pulse were happy that I was gone, that is a large reason why I left. You see, Graalians do not want Managers or staff who enforce the Graal rules, or even the forum rules, they want staff who overlook that trivial stuff.

Because, despite popular belief, there is a way to give a little to the players and let them take a little and everyone can get along and the staff dont have to be a complete Zealot.

who do not seem to be the type to just recommend their friends for a high position just to be doing it. I am pretty sure that if they recommend someone, it is because they believe the person is qualified for the job.

Disagree. For the most part, Googi has made posts of "Positions" on G2k1 and other servers that were nothing but nests for people to sit because their friends wanted them to be on staff with them.

Im not saying its entirely that way now, but prove to me it isnt? You cant.

How do you know how she got the job? Are you assuming? If Ibonic recommended her,

Until Ibonic or Bell either clear this up it seems to be understood that Ibonic just Hired her, not recommended, because he has that power to do so (Much like Nemesis could back in his own time).

[Rufus]

This thread is kinda going in circles

[Devil]

Originally Posted by Rufus

This thread is kinda going in circles

You only say this because you're friends with them both. So it's a bit biased.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Devil

You only say this because you're friends with them both. So it's a bit biased.

No. The thread, is going round, in circles.

[Devil]

No, there are some valid points here which need to be read.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Devil

No, there are some valid points here which need to be read.

Such as?

[Devil]

LOL, I knew you were going to say that, why don't you open your eyes, and read the posts that are here. You just don't want to read it because it's about your e-friends.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Devil

LOL, I knew you were going to say that, why don't you open your eyes, and read the posts that are here. You just don't want to read it because it's about your e-friends.

My eyes are opened, obviously and I've read every single post which was posted in this thread.

Now I'll ask again, where are these esteemed "valid points"?

[Devil]

You're supposed to be smarter than this, first of all, I never said they were esteemed, you're just being a smartass because people are ripping on your E-friends. You know the points are there Rufus, I don't have to point them out to you.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

Until Ibonic or Bell either clear this up it seems to be understood that Ibonic just Hired her, not recommended, because he has that power to do so (Much like Nemesis could back in his own time).

If he did, I applaud him because she is excellent for the job.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Devil

You're supposed to be smarter than this, first of all, I never said they were esteemed, you're just being a smartass because people are ripping on your E-friends. You know the points are there Rufus, I don't have to point them out to you.

I don't, as we obviously have a difference in opinion of which is a valid point. You claim my judgement is clouded because Bell is an "e-friend" well to be honest, I disagree. There is no evidence to support that Bell has done anything but her job assigned in the past, nor do we have anyone who can accurately predict the future here, so I'd say we're all going on speculation.

How someone can judge someone else who they do not know is beyond me, and to be frank, it really has nothing to do with anyone who hired Bell or why. If she does the job she was hired to do, which she will and I'm sure many people will go out on a limb to agree with me, then there is no problem what so ever.

[Devil]

You're still missing the point.

He hired a friend, no one cares if she can jump through hoops with a fire stick in her mouth while singing the national anthem, it's about how she was hired.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Devil

You're still missing the point.

He hired a friend, no one cares if she can jump through hoops with a fire stick in her mouth while singing the national anthem, it's about how she was hired.

He hired someone he could rely on and trusted, isn't that better then hiring someone who he didn't know, didn't trusted and didn't know of their ability?

[Devil]

I understand your point, but clearly this is a place where you must agree with everyone and not have an opinion of your own.

[Lord Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

If he did, I applaud him because she is excellent for the job.

I hate you. Now delete my post you tool.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Devil

I understand your point, but clearly this is a place where you must agree with everyone and not have an opinion of your own.

Err what? Is this ment to be a serious point?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Rufus

He hired someone he could rely on and trusted, isn't that better then hiring someone who he didn't know, didn't trusted and didn't know of their ability?

Exactly. I don't understand why that is so hard to understand.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Rufus

.

The thread is going in circles because you, among others, seem to miss the point, which Myself, Devil, Sephiroth, and others(?) have tried to point out.

Its been made clearly and very perfectally many times, but its not anyones fault that you cant read clear text.

Its just irritating.

[Devil]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Exactly. I don't understand why that is so hard to understand.

Oh yes, I understand why you have to agree with it, because we know what happens when GraalOnline staff disagree with what their bosses do, HEY SPARK.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Andy0687

The thread is going in circles because you, among others, seem to miss the point, which Myself, Devil, Sephiroth, and others(?) have tried to point out.

Its been made clearly and very perfectally many times, but its not anyones fault that you cant read clear text.

Its just irritating.

Instead of just saying "[we're] missing the point" why don't you actually identify the point, which I think I just clearly replied to.

Originally Posted by Devil

Oh yes, I understand why you have to agree with it, because we know what happens when GraalOnline staff disagree with what their bosses do, HEY SPARK.

I'm not staff?

[Devil]

Did I quote you? OPEN YOUR EYES.

Originally Posted by Rufus

Instead of just saying "[we're] missing the point" why don't you actually identify the point, which I think I just clearly replied to.



I'm not staff?

[Darlene159]

The only thing that matters is if Bell does a good job in the future, which no one can predict. None of us should be passing judgement, or making assumptions on why she was hired. We certainly shouldn't be arguing about why she was hired. I really don't see what the fuss is about, maybe because I don't want to be a global.

[Rufus]

Originally Posted by Devil

Did I quote you? OPEN YOUR EYES.

Are you actually an idiot? You claimed people "have to" agree with it, because they are staff, but I agree, and I'm not staff, as do many other people. Therefore the issue of "being staff" seems pretty much a weak argument.

Originally Posted by Darlene159

We certainly shouldn't be arguing about why she was hired. I really don't see what the fuss is about, maybe because I don't want to be a global.

Zing! Hit the nail right on the head.

[xXziroXx]

My oh my.. this thread is getting out of control.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Instead of just saying "[we're] missing the point" why don't you actually identify the point, which I think I just clearly replied

In this post: http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...4&postcount=87 I put slashes to identify the point.

In this post: http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...5&postcount=91 devil puts in bold the point from this post: http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...51#post1276351

Please tell me that even YOU can understand this much?

[Devil]

Originally Posted by Rufus

Are you actually an idiot? You claimed people "have to" agree with it, because they are staff, but I agree, and I'm not staff, as do many other people. Therefore the issue of "being staff" seems pretty much a weak argument.



Zing! Hit the nail right on the head.

Talk about idiots? Hmm, considering I'm not talking to you, I'm not referring to you, I'm talking about Spark and talking TO Darlene.

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

The only thing that matters is if Bell does a good job in the future, which no one can predict. None of us should be passing judgement, or making assumptions on why she was hired. We certainly shouldn't be arguing about why she was hired. I really don't see what the fuss is about, maybe because I don't want to be a global.

Hey this sounds an awful lot like what we ask you guys to do with us players. Yet you are allowed to pass your judgement and try to predict the future and group us as you want.

Why is that fair to us?

Because we arent some kind of staff for the company you moderate forums for? Please.

[_Z3phyr_]

Originally Posted by Devil

Is everyone supposed to always disagree with everything that happens around here?

fixed