Bell, the New PWA? - Page 2

TESTRETIS · #41 02-10-2007, 01:31 AM

Hmm. DoorBell.

Congratulations Bell, good luck with your position :P

zell12 · #42 02-10-2007, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris

It all has to do with networking. It seems as if a person has great networking ability on Graal by playing the popular servers or hanging around the more popular people/globlal staff then they should fit in well. If they play some craptastic or obscure server then they aren't worthy of the position.

At least that's what I get from some of these replies.

Edit: But I could care less. Bell is cool. From her previous actions on the forums and Classic she seems capable of doing well.

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Originally Posted by Kristi

So you are saying what qualifies you for PWA is "fitting in" and "being popular", instead of actually being capable of doing the job? That might be the dumbest concept ever. I thought this was common sense, but I guess I will have to put it blunty. The one who is qualified for the job is the one who can handle it and perform its functions correctly (note the word qualified).

You still don't read too much, after all these years.

He shares the same opinion as you do on the matter, at least that's what I get from his post.

Rufus · #43 02-10-2007, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by zell12

You still don't read too much, after all these years.

He shares the same opinion as you do on the matter, at least that's what I get from his post.

zell12 · #44 02-10-2007, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

lol

Chris · #45 02-10-2007, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by zell12

You still don't read too much, after all these years.

He shares the same opinion as you do on the matter, at least that's what I get from his post.

yea

Kristi · #46 02-10-2007, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris

yea

Apologizies then. I am sure my valid argument can go torwards someone else

Inverness · #47 02-10-2007, 02:04 AM

DoorBell

Hehe, thats a good one.

Infernix · #48 02-10-2007, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kristi

Can someone enlighten me as to why where Bell plays has to do with her ability to handle this job? I am not seeing a link here.

Bell is one of the most mature, levelheaded, and logical people you will ever meet on graal. I do believe one of her most enduring traits is her incredibly good judgement, which fits in perfectly with her position now.

I did not know popularity made you better at a job; I thought it was skill. Silly me!

Its deals with a persons background. Thats like asking why being a Nazi in Germany has anything to do do with becoming presidents in the US.

Kristi · #49 02-10-2007, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Infernix

Its deals with a persons background. Thats like asking why being a Nazi in Germany has anything to do do with becoming presidents in the US.

Background goes beyond popularity. Bell has maturely handled players and situations on classic even on its more popular days. Background and Popularity are not linked.

Tyhm · #50 02-10-2007, 03:58 AM

Ah yes, the eternal "Of course I promoted my friend, I know him, I know he can be trusted" debate.
Is it wrong to be friends with those you trust?
Is it wrong to trust your friends?
Is it wrong to promote people you trust?

If I recall correctly, it was ruled that preferential treatment begins and ends when an admin deigns that they trust their real-life friends more than they ever could an internet staffer - primarily because it's not valid in the first place (see the many OMG MY BROTHER HAXED ON MY COMPUTER IT WASN'T ME! issues).

We were lucky in the LAT. We could always point to a skill set and say "Of course Floydian's second in command, his stuff's awesome". GP, etc., you have to go off a service record.

Which is why Bell (assuming it's been absolutely verified Bell is the same Bell that has always been Bell) is well-suited to global administration - it's not a question of preferential treatment towards Oldbies, it's a question of promoting the most experienced candidate. Yes, that means Newbies and The Unknown won't have the same shot as Oldbies, tough noogies.

Infernix · #51 02-10-2007, 04:02 AM

Why do you think popularity instead of thinking personal relationship with the community. Don't treat it like highschool lol. Anytime people run a spot in the state or country or even business they try to develop a relationship with the people that they are going to be serving and working with.

Devil · #52 02-11-2007, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyhm

Ah yes, the eternal "Of course I promoted my friend, I know him, I know he can be trusted" debate.
Is it wrong to be friends with those you trust?
Is it wrong to trust your friends?
Is it wrong to promote people you trust?

If I recall correctly, it was ruled that preferential treatment begins and ends when an admin deigns that they trust their real-life friends more than they ever could an internet staffer - primarily because it's not valid in the first place (see the many OMG MY BROTHER HAXED ON MY COMPUTER IT WASN'T ME! issues).

We were lucky in the LAT. We could always point to a skill set and say "Of course Floydian's second in command, his stuff's awesome". GP, etc., you have to go off a service record.

Which is why Bell (assuming it's been absolutely verified Bell is the same Bell that has always been Bell) is well-suited to global administration - it's not a question of preferential treatment towards Oldbies, it's a question of promoting the most experienced candidate. Yes, that means Newbies and The Unknown won't have the same shot as Oldbies, tough noogies.

Stop the useless ramblings before your points, it's annoying. So she is most experienced for the job? Please explain to me how?

Tyhm · #53 02-11-2007, 01:40 AM

"Experienced" I say and not "Qualified", as I can't speak for the latter.
And Experienced applies because short of Peach suddenly appearing, it would seem Bell's got the most hours of adminship stretching the furthest back, assuming you discount PW Owners, which you ought, as they're admins of their servers 24/7.
Now, if you're willing to bring proof to the table that someone with more Experience applied and was denied this job, let's see it and I'll recant my claim that Bell was the most experienced applicant.

Andy0687 · #54 02-11-2007, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyhm

Now, if you're willing to bring proof to the table that someone with more Experience applied and was denied this job, let's see it and I'll recant my claim that Bell was the most experienced applicant.

Thats kind of hard to do dude, since it was an "In House" hiring, and no one was allowed to even apply.

Devil · #55 02-11-2007, 01:43 AM

Andy speaks for me. He is correct, I can't provide proof someone was denied, because it was done in a bull**** manner.

Tyhm · #56 02-11-2007, 03:07 AM

That much is a valid complaint - OMGWTFBBQ, You just hired someone and nobody even gots to apply, BS BS!
Which is why in the LAT I established the (menial and painstaking) practice of announcing each hiring season, taking applications over the course of a week or two, distributing them among the surviving LAT Members, tallying up their votes, and announcing the winners (while, to avoid embarassing them, not mentioning publically how many people didn't make the cut).
Ironically, I once applied myself as a LAT while still the chief. I was the only one who voted for me. :-D

Devil · #57 02-11-2007, 03:12 AM

Wtf? I don't care. As I said before, quit your ramblings and just say your point in the future.

Rapidwolve · #58 02-11-2007, 04:14 AM

Bell, wth? Are you new or something. Sorry if an answer to this was posted i didnt read all posts.

Devil · #59 02-11-2007, 04:22 AM

No she isn't new to Graal. Another old person, old as in with age aswell.

kia345 · #60 02-11-2007, 05:48 AM

congrats bell, even if this is a little late.

devil just mad cause he has no friends to hire him

Devil · #61 02-11-2007, 05:54 AM

Mad? I doubt it, I'm just sick of seeing that's how people get the job, I wouldn't even apply to do it if there was a public hiring system.

killerogue · #62 02-11-2007, 06:27 AM

I'm sick of this. As far as people questioning whether or not she's qualified or capable or WHATEVER. I've have spoken to Bell several times about issues with Dual Ortus and questions about other things regarding playerworld information on Graal. And each time she answered efficiently and polite. Helpful each and every time. So as far as her being unqualified and not deserving of it I completely disagree. O_O And no I'm not kissing ass either. I'm just being honest. And wish for you all who have negative comments about her to SHUT THE **** UP.

Andy0687 · #63 02-11-2007, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kia345

devil just mad cause he has no friends to hire him

Personally id be a little embarassed if the only way I could get a job is because I had friends who would hire me.

There is a life lesson that can be taken from this for everyone though, and its not anything to do with bell.

It dosent matter what you know, only who you know. You can learn the job after you get it.

Devil · #64 02-11-2007, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by killerogue

I'm sick of this. As far as people questioning whether or not she's qualified or capable or WHATEVER. I've have spoken to Bell several times about issues with Dual Ortus and questions about other things regarding playerworld information on Graal. And each time she answered efficiently and polite. Helpful each and every time. So as far as her being unqualified and not deserving of it I completely disagree. O_O And no I'm not kissing ass either. I'm just being honest. And wish for you all who have negative comments about her to SHUT THE **** UP.

Wow she answered some questions I'm sure anyone can answer.

*Claps*

Lord Sephiroth · #65 02-11-2007, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by killerogue

I'm sick of this. As far as people questioning whether or not she's qualified or capable or WHATEVER. I've have spoken to Bell several times about issues with Dual Ortus and questions about other things regarding playerworld information on Graal. And each time she answered efficiently and polite. Helpful each and every time. So as far as her being unqualified and not deserving of it I completely disagree. O_O And no I'm not kissing ass either. I'm just being honest. And wish for you all who have negative comments about her to SHUT THE **** UP.

It's not about whether or not she's capable or qualified, what most people are talking about is how it was probably her friendship with Ibonic that got her that job in the first place.

I can LAT pretty good, but I don't make the jump from Player to LAT Admin without a tryout with competition.

Devil · #66 02-11-2007, 07:15 AM

Someone with a brain, who knows how to use it, or this time anyway.

That's exactly my point.

killerogue · #67 02-11-2007, 07:49 AM

Meh, who cares. Point is she can do her job and does it well. This is a bit of a step to show Stefan and the globals are starting to trust players with global positions now, more. Friends or not.

_Z3phyr_ · #68 02-11-2007, 08:08 AM

hang on i haven't read this thread, just skimmed the last couple posts.

are we whining about getting a new pwa? i thought we were mad that they were being inactive and useless wtf

edit - oh nvm i see we're mad because stefan didn't come over and pick any of us how rude

Andy0687 · #69 02-11-2007, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by _Z3phyr_

edit - oh nvm i see we're mad because stefan didn't come over and pick any of us how rude

Have you once ever thought about anything youve posted?

killerogue · #70 02-11-2007, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy0687

Have you once ever thought about anything youve posted?

He does have a point. XD If not well put together.

Devil · #71 02-11-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by _Z3phyr_

hang on i haven't read this thread, just skimmed the last couple posts.

are we whining about getting a new pwa? i thought we were mad that they were being inactive and useless wtf

edit - oh nvm i see we're mad because stefan didn't come over and pick any of us how rude

What a waste of time, why did you bother posting? Is everyone supposed to always agree with everything that happens around here?

xXziroXx · #72 02-11-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Devil

Wow she answered some questions I'm sure anyone can answer.

*Claps*

Always got the be a negative ned huh?

Devil · #73 02-11-2007, 12:20 PM

No, I just don't think that everyone should always say what everyone wants them too, there should be people like me who say what they really think.

Sam · #74 02-11-2007, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy0687

Thats kind of hard to do dude, since it was an "In House" hiring, and no one was allowed to even apply.

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Originally Posted by Andy0687

Personally id be a little embarassed if the only way I could get a job is because I had friends who would hire me.

There is a life lesson that can be taken from this for everyone though, and its not anything to do with bell.

It dosent matter what you know, only who you know. You can learn the job after you get it.

Where is it written that the management have to ask the users of the game what staff they are allowed to hire? Next you want to decide what they are allowed to charge from you when you want to buy gold membership.
Shut down your computer and go outsite to see whats going on in the real life!

hampy · #75 02-11-2007, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Shut down your computer and go outsite to see whats going on in the real life!

lmao owned!

xXziroXx · #76 02-11-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil

No, I just don't think that everyone should always say what everyone wants them too, there should be people like me who say what they really think.

Yeah, but, Ive noticed that you tend to be just a little bit grumpy lately.

Devil · #77 02-11-2007, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Where is it written that the management have to ask the users of the game what staff they are allowed to hire? Next you want to decide what they are allowed to charge from you when you want to buy gold membership.
Shut down your computer and go outsite to see whats going on in the real life!

"Sam = An answer to a question, nobody asked".

Sam · #78 02-11-2007, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil

"Sam = An answer to a question, nobody asked".

Perhaps you didn't get the sense of a forum. It's not mandatory necessary to answer a question if you want to express your opinion.

Devil · #79 02-11-2007, 02:51 PM

Perhaps you don't understand what I was trying to say, because you're foreign?"

Is it just me, or do you always try and make people out to be completely stupid, and think you're always smarter than them? That's all I've seen you do in some of your posts.

You're far from correct Sammy. "

Chandler · #80 02-11-2007, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil

Perhaps you don't understand what I was trying to say, because you're foreign?"

Is it just me, or do you always try and make people out to be completely stupid, and think you're always smarter than them? That's all I've seen you do in some of your posts.

You're far from correct Sammy. "

Perhaps you're paranoid.