Global Scripting Team - Page 2

WanDaMan · #41 02-09-2007, 11:47 PM

Chandler, you know I love you right?

lol GST has always been a joke to me. Not really bothered about it.

Chompy · #42 02-09-2007, 11:54 PM

I would probably nominate Inverness.

Chris · #43 02-09-2007, 11:56 PM

yea let Chandler do it. LOL

WanDaMan · #44 02-10-2007, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris

yea let Chandler do it. LOL

lol you drunk like me? =D i am drunk but chandler could be it? dunno tbh lol he's good scriptor

Gambet · #45 02-10-2007, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Chandler

Am I the only one to not see how he intended to say that he had mastered GS2?

No, thus why I was getting on him about cutting the bloating.

First the whole Graal Reform thing, now this. Somebody clearly wants to get noticed.

napo_p2p · #46 02-10-2007, 12:40 AM

I would also nominate Inverness (but he's mine, and no one else can have him :P).

If Maniaman wasn't so busy with other things, I'd nominate him too.

killerogue · #47 02-10-2007, 01:02 AM

Gawd, don't you all know that the only way to save the GST is by hiring ME? The great seraphim!!! /endnotnotsarcasm

Inverness · #48 02-10-2007, 02:11 AM

I wouldn't want to be GST for three reasons.

#1. I do NOT like working (scripting) on other people's time, without a good reason. Though I have no problem assisting people I'm pretty sure if I was GST I would be on someone else's time.
#2. Math gives me a headache. I maybe have some good ideas about systems and how to handle data, but fancy math scripts I do not want to take the time to learn how to use, though I have complete confidence in my ability to use them if I bothered learning how to.
#3. Don't consider myself GST material. I may be above average but I'm not that good.

zokemon · #49 02-10-2007, 02:59 AM

I NEVER said I mastered GS2 what the hell...

Kristi · #50 02-10-2007, 03:05 AM

I do not believe mastery of a programming language comes from memorizing every last function. You could know them all and still be horrible because you do not comprehend advanced algorithims. Good coding comes from your ability to find the best algorithim and have it happen using whatever functions you can.

You can browse all the functions a graal object has easily, so you can find what you need or what is best, no matter what your task is.

Aside from nominating myself (ego), if Chad is still around, I would say Chad. I also second Tyhm.

zokemon · #51 02-10-2007, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kristi

I do not believe mastery of a programming language comes from memorizing every last function. You could know them all and still be horrible because you do not comprehend advanced algorithims. Good coding comes from your ability to find the best algorithim and have it happen using whatever functions you can.

You can browse all the functions a graal object has easily, so you can find what you need or what is best, no matter what your task is.

Aside from nominating myself (ego), if Chad is still around, I would say Chad. I also second Tyhm.

I was simply saying that what use would a GST member be to you if he doesn't even understand how a certain function works?

Tyhm · #52 02-10-2007, 04:09 AM

You can only learn scripting by scripting. I know at least I can only script by editing scripts (even the System NPC was just copy and paste...and Bowling was a joke).
But I still think that more important than Who's On the GST is What Does The GST Do? If they're using resources only available to a Global Team to work on projects that Only a Global Team could do for the benefit of All Servers Equally, it's a lot different than if they're Updating the Wiki and Answering Questions and Helping PWs That Ask Nicely. Granted, the GST can do a lot of good by updating the Wiki and answering questions, but that doesn't require even the slightest knowledge of scripting. It's just
Kyle0654: Hey how does AddEmitter work? Can I get an example?
Houdiniman: ? Not in the database? Huh. Hey Stefan?
Stefan: [EXAMPLEBOMB]
Houdiniman: Stefan says [EXAMPLEBOMB].
Kyle0654: Ok cool.

And c'mon, Lycia could do that. (Oh burn!)
On the other hand:
Tyhm: Hey, why don't we have Baddies anymore? How are any of the servers supposed to make quests when they all gotta make their baddies in GS2 from scratch?
Tseng: Huh. Hey Stefan, can I take a lookit the Kingdoms Baddies? Tyhm just sent me the ganis-
Stefan: [EXAMPLEBOMB!]
Tseng: Cool. *EDITBOMBANDPOST*
Tyhm: Sweet! Hey Classic, I got us baddies!
James205: Awesome, I can finish Master Li's quest! And all of Kull's except the final battle...oh wait, this script's wicked easy to convert, okdonelolz!
Konidias: Huh, interesting way of using the Move command to detect walls...I can use this!
cHANDLER: Awe man, I was gonna make my own...oh well, I guess this saves me the trouble.
Zero33: Lolz, I can splice this with the Bush script so you can carry baddies!
Chimpy: Woot, I made mine so if you use the Jump attack on them you can ride on their helmets and run them into walls!

etc.

Kristi · #53 02-10-2007, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by zokemon

I was simply saying that what use would a GST member be to you if he doesn't even understand how a certain function works?

You do not have to memorize a function to understand how it works. You just need good comprehension.

Chandler · #54 02-10-2007, 09:13 AM

Tyhm you've inspired me to create a classic style monster. Once I have a playerworld that is!

Twinny · #55 02-10-2007, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by zokemon

I was simply saying that what use would a GST member be to you if he doesn't even understand how a certain function works?

Perhaps the GST member could refer the player to the wiki for help. They can both go through it and help each other understand it.

xXziroXx · #56 02-10-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Twinny

They better be released to the public soon, they will be great

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In other news, I nominate Ziro. He has done good work with the Global Events System and he helps people

. No givesies backsies!! *runs*

Aww, thankie. I have wanted to become a GST for quite some time, mainly because I enjoy helping playerworlds with scripts. However, I doubt my current schedule would allow me to be a GST fully.

Inverness · #57 02-10-2007, 03:21 PM

Eh, memorizing all the functions should not be a requirement for GST.
It's about knowing how to use the functions you know and any new functions you learn in the right way.

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Originally Posted by zokemon

I NEVER said I mastered GS2 what the hell...

Quote from your Wiki:
Zero has mastered, in his eyes, all the concepts of Graal scripting (in both GS1 and GS2). Every day is another day to find out a better way to make a certain script work faster, better and stronger.

Hehe. I'm poking fun at you Zero, don't get too worked up :P

_Z3phyr_ · #58 02-11-2007, 12:54 AM

I've always thought a GST is a guy who works for all servers. That and/or a scripting consultant. (i.e. "how do i do __")

Chandler · #59 02-11-2007, 10:41 AM

I'd say either of the following: Okiesmoke, Novo or Jake [The classic guy, seen some of his scripting from Graal.net].

Twinny · #60 02-11-2007, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Chandler

I'd say either of the following: Okiesmoke, Novo or Jake [The classic guy, seen some of his scripting from Graal.net].

Novo has quit Graal and I thought jake did well... or did he just quit Classic?

Chandler · #61 02-11-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Twinny

Novo has quit Graal and I thought jake did well... or did he just quit Classic?

I think that all three have quit.

WanDaMan · #62 02-11-2007, 10:49 AM

Mass' is or was? my favorite developer...

Rufus · #63 03-31-2007, 10:05 PM

What happened with this?

I have seen Hell Raven on several different servers helping out, I think he'd be a great candidate as he actually helps people.

Skyld · #64 03-31-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

What happened with this?

I have seen Hell Raven on several different servers helping out, I think he'd be a great candidate as he actually helps people.

I'll be making a decision soon on who I'd like to try out.

eronix · #65 04-01-2007, 01:22 AM

First you might want to explain what "GST" means to half the kids on graal.

Do GST's even evaluate servers scripts anymore? (Like when a server wants to go hosted, they have to check out their scripts and pass them for that, or something.. It's been a while, can't remember exactly..)

Chandler · #66 04-01-2007, 09:19 AM

That was the purpose of this thread, Eronix. hehe

Andy0687 · #67 04-01-2007, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

I have seen Hell Raven on several different servers helping out, I think he'd be a great candidate as he actually helps people.

Plus he can outscript anyone on graal without even breaking a sweat.

xXziroXx · #68 04-01-2007, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy0687

Plus he can outscript anyone on graal without even breaking a sweat.

I take that as a challenge.

napo_p2p · #69 04-01-2007, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

I take that as a challenge.

SCRRRIPTER FIGHT!

Attention shoppers. Outside today we have scripter fight. Scripter fight outside.

Twinny · #70 04-01-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy0687

Plus he can outscript anyone on graal without even breaking a sweat.

Never underestimate Novo....

But yeah, Kristi does kick major ass.

Chandler · #71 04-01-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Twinny

Never underestimate Novo....

But yeah, Kristi does kick major ass.

Novo, without a doubt. No offence intended, Kristi.

killerogue · #72 04-01-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy0687

Plus he can outscript anyone on graal without even breaking a sweat.

Agreed. Seen it happen.

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

I take that as a challenge.

Ziro gots skeelz.

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Originally Posted by Twinny

Never underestimate Novo.....

Agreed. For someone to rescript Relic's systems in the span of a few days is amazing.

Tyhm · #73 04-01-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by killerogue

Agreed. For someone to rescript Relic's systems in the span of a few days is amazing.

And for such a rescripting to be as frequently necessary as it seems to be is pathetic. But I've made my opinion on the practice (of every scripter rescripting every former scripters work) known...

Angel_Light · #74 04-01-2007, 08:03 PM

Here's my thoughts on the GST.

They should be available for scripters to seek advice.
They could periodically check in with playerworlds and check to see if the need help.
They could help grow the Code snippets section.
Give scripting lessons via Graal IRC.
Help Develop actual Tools, (New Level Editor, New Graal Shop, etc)

Thats my thoughts on it and as for a new Member, Napo would be awesome GST member, though he's most likely busy with Aeon right now. :] Hikaru would be pretty good too and so would Inverness.

killerogue · #75 04-01-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyhm

And for such a rescripting to be as frequently necessary as it seems to be is pathetic. But I've made my opinion on the practice (of every scripter rescripting every former scripters work) known...

Well, Novo was actually just rescripting his own work Tyhm.

killerogue · #76 04-01-2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel_Light

Here's my thoughts on the GST.

They should be available for scripters to seek advice.
They could periodically check in with playerworlds and check to see if the need help.
They could help grow the Code snippets section.
Give scripting lessons via Graal IRC.
Help Develop actual Tools, (New Level Editor, New Graal Shop, etc)

Thats my thoughts on it and as for a new Member, Napo would be awesome GST member, though he's most likely busy with Aeon right now. :] Hikaru would be pretty good too and so would Inverness.

The only person I would even agree with on that list is Napo.

Not because in Inverness doesn't have the skill, but because he doesn't want too. xD

No comment on Hikaru, just will say there are scripters better than him that I think deserve it more.

There are alot of scripters I quite think would be awesome for a shot at GST right now.

Examples: Novo, Twinny, Hell Raven, Drakilor, Ziro, Maniaman, PFA, Twusk (You will be back buddy...:[), Chandler, OkieSmokie, Osrs.

Just to name a few.

Tyhm · #77 04-01-2007, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel_Light

Here's my thoughts on the GST.

They should be available for scripters to seek advice.
They could periodically check in with playerworlds and check to see if the need help.
They could help grow the Code snippets section.
Give scripting lessons via Graal IRC.
Help Develop actual Tools, (New Level Editor, New Graal Shop, etc)

Thats my thoughts on it and as for a new Member, Napo would be awesome GST member, though he's most likely busy with Aeon right now. :] Hikaru would be pretty good too and so would Inverness.

Meh...emphasis on scripting the tools. Giving Lessons and Advice and Helping
should really be optional...otherwise you get the whole "Of course I was working on Era with my gf, she needs the help more than any other server!" issues.
Plus there's the question of code snippets...it's a vital portion that's underused...it's too decentralized, uprooted, it's too much hassle to dig through the database for something Like what you need, copy and paste it, adapt it for your server, dig up the appropriate graphics, then find out it doesn't work anymore if it ever did in the first place...see: backups.

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Originally Posted by killerogue

Well, Novo was actually just rescripting his own work Tyhm.

Oh. Very well, I stand by it.

Inverness · #78 04-01-2007, 11:12 PM

Bah, if I had to give lessons I'd tear off my eyebrows. I'm available for advice though. And I am working on my RP systems, the Dialog thing is prettymuch ready for public but I want to improve the connection between the system and the GUI first.

I'm too damn lazy to be GST

My new system is coming along nicely though, fixed up the reference parser so any mud object refs are converted to a string: ref:<type>:<id> when you save the object. And refs reloaded with the objects.

PHP Code:


			
mudarch=ref:arch:500
mudclass=(None)
mudform=Inverness
mudhealth=100
muditems=ref:misc:20003,ref:misc:20004,ref:weap:20010,ref:misc:20016,ref:food:20025
mudlevel=1
mudloaded=1
mudmaxhealth=100
mudmaxstamina=50
mudname=Inverness Moon
mudowner=MudControl
mudrace=(None)
mudstamina=50

This is the save file for my player. Note how object refs are stored for items

Andy0687 · #79 04-02-2007, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx

I take that as a challenge.

I said without breaking a sweat, if Hell Raven was actually trying his hardest, i dont think youd stand a snowballs chance in hell, and since i dont even know much about you, that has to say something.

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Originally Posted by Chandler

Novo, without a doubt. No offence intended, Kristi.

No.

Chandler · #80 04-02-2007, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy0687

No.

Explain.

I see a GST as someone that helps, it's a benefit for them to know how Graalscript works, however I don't think they need to be very good at it to be in the GST.