Petition: For Selection of Kingdom Leaders

[Waltz5]

Originally Posted by schnukelmaus

I believe everybody except the four people that voted no can come to that mutual consensus

Ok... but again. You're trying to back it up with they'll pick good leaders yet point to the instability which was coorelated to the leaders picking? I don't follow.

And it was changed to having staff approve in the first place not that long ago. You say it's for the best, but what measures if any should be taken in your scenario to help prevent such problems.

[pooper200000]

Originally Posted by schnukelmaus

I believe everybody except the four people that voted no can come to that mutual consensus

I voted no. I think someoen else should because while encouraging roleplay is good the choice for the replacement may not be wise so in that case it is not good. Mutual would mean unspoken and you just spoke it....

[schnukelmaus]

Originally Posted by Waltz5

Ok... but again. You're trying to back it up with they'll pick good leaders yet point to the instability which was coorelated to the leaders picking? I don't follow.

And it was changed to having staff approve in the first place not that long ago. You say it's for the best, but what measures if any should be taken in your scenario to help prevent such problems.

Well actually, in light of Tig's post, I think everybody should be given a second chance. The only way staff should butt in is if someone breaks the rules while actually leading the kingdom. Not only does that influence others, it also triggers them to do it later to jump on the band wagon, so to speak.

I voted no. I think someoen else should because while encouraging roleplay is good the choice for the replacement may not be wise so in that case it is not good. Mutual would mean unspoken and you just spoke it....

I can see where your going with that, but I do not agree. My reason for disagreeing is that how do staff know who is good at RPing and who isn't? Staff never oversee RP events unless it is posted on the forums. The kingdom leaders would know who is best for the kingdom, either way.

[SuperCornGuy]

thanks sube =D*hugs*

[Waltz5]

Originally Posted by schnukelmaus

Well actually, in light of Tig's post, I think everybody should be given a second chance. The only way staff should butt in is if someone breaks the rules while actually leading the kingdom. Not only does that influence others, it also triggers them to do it later to jump on the band wagon, so to speak.

So breaking a rule while leaving a kingdom is ok then?

[schnukelmaus]

Originally Posted by Waltz5

So breaking a rule while leaving a kingdom is ok then?

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean o.o..

[Sam]

I remember the time when we had a solid leadership in all kingdoms. Actually only one left: CP.
In the past kingdoms were sold for USD, items and whatever, that's unacceptable. Same goes for giving it to friends just because you know him irl or in game.
I still think the best way in this case now is the election.

[Gothika]

What about when the kingdom leaders would get together and decide who should rule next.

[zell12]

I think whoever is leaving, should leave it to whomever they trust and deserves it the most. If the members don't like the leader after a few weeks, they can call munity against him/her and a vote will be called.

This can all be done in game with NPCs and the Kingdom GUI I guess... no need for the forums really.

[Draenin]

I think it's pretty stupid that staff turned a blind eye to bug abuse and people USDing ranks when they happen, but yet think that justice is being done when someone decent is removed and someone far worse is thrown in. That doesn't strike anyone as contradictory?

We voted no on the election and yes in this thread for our own traditions. Keep it as it is, because things like bug abuse / USDing is going to happen anyway at some point or another, and staff should simply look into this stuff and take care of it, rather than stepping in and saying 'This is the way it's going to be.' They are player-run kingdoms, and should be kept as such. Whether or not they hold an election for their position should be entirely their decision.

[schnukelmaus]

Originally Posted by Sam

I remember the time when we had a solid leadership in all kingdoms. Actually only one left: CP.
In the past kingdoms were sold for USD, items and whatever, that's unacceptable. Same goes for giving it to friends just because you know him irl or in game.
I still think the best way in this case now is the election.

Sam, I understand your point, however, it is not only me that supports him. All of the kingdom leaders, including Alan approves of him so you really can't blame the entirity of this issue upon me knowing him irl. So having said that the most stable and consistent leader that approves of him which means a lot.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by schnukelmaus

Sam, I understand your point, however, it is not only me that supports him. All of the kingdom leaders, including Alan approves of him so you really can't blame the entirity of this issue upon me knowing him irl. So having said that the most stable and consistent leader that approves of him which means a lot.

Why are you afraid he will not win? All I can see he got a lot support.

[schnukelmaus]

Originally Posted by Sam

Why are you afraid he will not win? All I can see he got a lot support.

That is not the fact, it is the principle of it.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by schnukelmaus

That is not the fact, it is the principle of it.

That's exactly the reason why we do the election now, to make an example for further problems like this. We do not want each month a new leadership of any kingdom. We want to see that leaders are more responsible with their sovereign function and liability.

[schnukelmaus]

Originally Posted by Sam

That's exactly the reason why we do the election now, to make an example for further problems like this. We do not want each month a new leadership of any kingdom. We want to see that leaders are more responsible with their sovereign function and liability.

I don't see how elections fix this problem, USD'ing of kingdoms, or length of time while in a king's position, and I think everybody could agree with me on that.