true question

[Skrobo2]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I have done this several times already,and so has Unixmad, as I said. It always ends the same, and the same way this thread will end. We read, we explain, we hash it out, then we get bashed because we didn't do what people wants. It is always the same. I'm not going to keep doing it over and over and over.

You're going to get bashed by unhappy people regardless. Accept it and live with it. And most importantly read what is said, consider it, and make adjustments to compensate for it. People aren't happy, so make them happy. Not satisfying the customers leads to a dead community. Do you want that? And in your last reply to me you didn't give any good reason why my thread was deleted. Close it if you don't want it being discussed, but don't hide my opinions and view from the rest of the community.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Skrobo2

You're going to get bashed by unhappy people regardless. Accept it and live with it. And most importantly read what is said, consider it, and make adjustments to compensate for it. People aren't happy, so make them happy. Not satisfying the customers leads to a dead community. Do you want that? And in your last reply to me you didn't give any good reason why my thread was deleted. Close it if you don't want it being discussed, but don't hide what opinions and view from the rest of the community.

I don't mind the bashing or the complaints, but do it via the support center where it is suppose to be done. I read all of it.
You cannot make everyone happy, it is impossible. The only way to even come close is to have no rules at all, and let people do/post what they want. Trust me, I have seen first hand the results of that, and want no part of it. I would rather have dead forums.

Some of you keep bringing up what Sam said via private forum PM about reputation points. He called a couple of people "gutless" for not leaving their names, correct? Number one, this was done in a private PM, not in open forum. Is gutless an offensive word like stupid, *****, *******, ect...? I think I have even been called that a few times in open forum. I don't think anyone has ever been warned for it have they? What exactly is the issue here? I have had worse private PM's then this, and done nothing because it is a private PM.
If it bothered people so much, why do I have no forum PM's in my PM box reporting it?

[PrinceDark]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I don't mind the bashing or the complaints, but do it via the support center where it is suppose to be done. I read all of it.

Darlene, the problem is if they do it in the support center, then the individual being complained against has access to their own complaint. So the complaint goes silenced and unnoticed.
People are wanting an individual that is higher up over the mods, but below Stefan, Unix, Ibonic to be able to moderate actions done by moderators.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by PrinceDark

Darlene, the problem is if they do it in the support center, then the individual being complained against has access to their own complaint. So the complaint goes silenced and unnoticed.
People are wanting an individual that is higher up over the mods, but below Stefan, Unix, Ibonic to be able to moderate actions done by moderators.

There is no such person, and there is no reason why this is even needed.

[PrinceDark]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

There is no such person, and there is no reason why this is even needed.

I stated the reason. If a mod is complained against and he receives his own support ticket, then the situation will go unnoticed. That is why a person to handle complaints against mods is needed.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Skrobo2

Yet you were just complaining about the bashing and complaints. The support center is useless as I stated in the thread you deleted. The reason to make complaints publicly on the forums is to appeal to more than one person. I could make a support ticket to Unixmad and him close it, or I could make a thread for the public to read and add their own thoughts to and he may stop and say, "Hmm, maybe we do have a problem here, look at all the people complaining!". Do you understand what I'm saying? And "community" doesn't only refer to the forum goers. You don't please your customers and you could lose your entire player base.




He looks to see who negative reps him, then harasses them.

It does not belong on the forums, Unixmad does not want it on the forums, he wants it done via support center, how hard is that to understand? It is not my choice. Oh man, I am repeating myself again.

Oh, and look up what harrassment is

Originally Posted by PrinceDark

I stated the reason. If a mod is complained against and he receives his own support ticket, then the situation will go unnoticed. That is why a person to handle complaints against mods is needed.

Unixmad has an email address, and I think you can even make a support ticket to only him? I dont think it has to go to me.

[Skrobo2]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I don't mind the bashing or the complaints, but do it via the support center where it is suppose to be done. I read all of it.
You cannot make everyone happy, it is impossible. The only way to even come close is to have no rules at all, and let people do/post what they want. Trust me, I have seen first hand the results of that, and want no part of it. I would rather have dead forums.

Yet you were just complaining about the bashing and complaints. The support center is useless as I stated in the thread you deleted. The reason to make complaints publicly on the forums is to appeal to more than one person. I could make a support ticket to Unixmad and him close it, or I could make a thread for the public to read and add their own thoughts to and he may stop and say, "Hmm, maybe we do have a problem here, look at all the people complaining!". Do you understand what I'm saying? And "community" doesn't only refer to the forum goers. You don't please your customers and you could lose your entire player base.

Originally Posted by PrinceDark

Several individuals here have received an argument provoking personal message from a certain not so friendly mod. Funny thing is, majority of us left initials or full name letting the user know where the neg rep came. I really don't care as much as some others do, but I just wanted to point this out as proof is readily available by the ones who have been attacked.

He looks to see who negative reps him, then harasses them.

Originally Posted by Sam

Are you really so gutless to leave your name in the reputation comment? Cool

[Andy0687]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I would rather have dead forums.

Too bad this isnt your buisness, if it was we wouldnt be having this conversation because the forums would already be dead.

If it bothered people so much, why do I have no forum PM's in my PM box reporting it?

Because no one trusts you and believes you will do anything about it, its simple as that.

As for whats wrong with it? You guys are MODS AND ADMINS you are supposed to be held to a higher standard then us players, yes that is a form of harassment if we arent allowed to call our friends *****s how come a SUPER MOD is allowed to call us Gutless?