Mac dev tools

[Polo]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

The computer he's reffering to is a desktop

Fair enough, but I've seen more powerful portable systems than a top end fully upgraded Macbook Pro.

Where did I say every 5 mins?
About once a day if you're working pretty hard on it

I was generalising somewhat when I said 5 minutes. My computer is on for upwards of 12 hours each day, and not uncommonly over 48 hours in one go. I do music production, programming in various environments with numerous compilers, and do the odd bit of video editing and web design. This is in addition to heavy web browsing, emailing and gaming usage. Many of these tasks occur simultaneously. I also run the Grid.org research/folding client, so I am constantly using 100% CPU time. If that doesn't count as working pretty hard, then i don't know what does. In just under 3 years with the system, the 2 blue screens I have seen have both been caused by my own very unsafe C code.

In reference to the Macbook RSS (Random Shutdown Syndrome)

I believe an update fixed that.
It may have been related to the heat problems, but the Macbook didn't have that as bad. The MBP did.

It was caused by a bug in the SMC firmware, essentially a driver issue (although there are numerous heat based reports). My point was that all computers can have problems.

And the fact that I do have to scan every now and then. It's slow, and it takes up time. You're guaranteed to have less time wasted if you're using a Mac.

There are virus' and exploits for OSX, just as their are for Windows. A scan can run in parallel with any other application, so you are not really wasting any time. Windows is targeted for malware due to it's popularity, but a careful user should not have a problem with this. If OSX was the more dominant system, then the boot would simply be on the other foot.

Now, you may have had problems with a Windows based system in the past, and I'm glad to hear that your happy now that you run OSX. But to think that your situation is typical of all Windows based systems is inaccurate and misleading.

[excaliber7388]

All I'm saying, is that I know of people using an iBook for over 6 years. My old computer was useles after 6 years. I updated drivers all the time, kept it free of malware (except for Windows ME, the biggest piece of **** on the market)

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

It's not that I'm calling him a liar because I don't agree with him. It's that your comp probably freezes so much, that you've gotten used to it.
There's not way you can use xp without pressing ctrl alt delete at least once a week.

What? Please don't treat me like I am computer illiterate. My computer doesn't freeze. I think I would know if it did, and I have not hit ctrl, alt delete once, let alone once a week. XP works quite well.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

What? Please don't treat me like I am computer illiterate. My computer doesn't freeze. I think I would know if it did, and I have not hit ctrl, alt delete once, let alone once a week. XP works quite well.

For you I guess.
Maybe you're not using as large of a variety of programs as I am.
I have about a 90% chance that my computer will wake up after going to sleep (I only use it because it's a laptop and I need the battery to last a while). So I end up restarting often (not just for updates), or holding the button down for a bit. Everyone who switches to Mac claims it's easier, they have less problems due to freezing, crashing, etc, and never want to go back. If you're accusing them of lying, then you're no different.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

If you're accusing them of lying, then you're no different.

Why would I accuse someone of lying without proof? I wouldn't. I only said something to you regarding this because you basically said it was impossible to run XP without the computer crashing a lot, which is false, and you said anyone who said different was a liar. Also false.
I can't say anything about a Mac simply because I have never used one.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Why would I accuse someone of lying without proof? I wouldn't. I only said something to you regarding this because you basically said it was impossible to run XP without the computer crashing a lot, which is false, and you said anyone who said different was a liar. Also false.
I can't say anything about a Mac simply because I have never used one.

People say that Macs crash less than PCs. By you saying otherwise, you're calling pretty much every person who's switched a liar.

btw: Mac Dev tools

[Crono]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Can you carry yours in a back pack to your classes?

Yeah.

I know, therefore it didn't come with the mouse (it was a joke).

u fail

Apple had command click for the longest time, but they have offered support for a 2 button mouse for a long time. It's not even a big deal.

i thought one click mouses were a standard for macs

Which they replace every few years. Macs don't need that.

yeah i dont need to replace a ****ty old imac because it's clearly a mac, a technological revolution

You're lying, it's that simple. If you're running windows, you see the blue screen of death (or nothing) or you press ctrl, alt, del, all the time.

Uh, no I'm not. The last time I saw a "blue screen of death" on windows XP was when I swapped out my motherboard and some other components and tried to boot windows without formating first. :P

Mac is gaining Market share.
Also, the world in general doesn't know much (at all) about computers. Most people use it for email, games, and the internet. That's it.

WHAT ELSE DO YOU USE A COMPUTER FOR

You've had more problems than you would have with a Mac.

No, a mac can't play the games I want it to play.

Of course not, he's afraid of change

No, I just dont like an inferior platform. I'm more of a gamer, so macs are useless to me. As for university, the university my friend goes to uses windows laptops as a standard.

Mac dev tools!

hell ya!!11

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

People say that Macs crash less than PCs. By you saying otherwise, you're calling pretty much every person who's switched a liar.

Ok, please read this very carefully. I did not call anyone a liar, you did. Go back and re-read the posts please.

[Novo]

Umm... For tools for Graal, I just dual-boot into Ubuntu (Edgy). It's pretty supported. (IM me for link?)

Other than that... There's no support AT ALL for Mac OS X. You delete the PowerPC archetypes off your computer, and you (save 3 gigs and) can't run Graal no more!

=[ PowerPC got a better emulation in September -- And it shows. But! Still not enough to prevent me from dual-booting.

All in all, I have Linux for Development, and Mac for everything else. Screw Windows. As for the rest... If I find the excessive need to, I just boot into Windows XP with parallels... Which, might I add, is an EXCELLENT emulator tool. The only perk is it doesn't support your extensive graphics abilities while emulated: Everything else, however, has been smooth.

The only problem with emulated windows is all the images that have an alpha != 1 or is stretched: They display as big white boxes with poka-dots.

In the end... If you want Graal on Mac OS X, you emulate. If you want Graal on your Mac, you use Linux. If you're really desperate and get confused too easily about Linux, use Windows.

A nifty hack I did for my Linux is this:

NPC Code:

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cd /mnt/

sudo mkdir Mac

sudo mount -t auto /dev/sda2 /mnt/Mac/



cd ~

ln -s /mnt/Mac/Users/(username)/Music/iTunes/iTune's\ Music

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You might want to add that to your /etc/fstab

Like that, you have a folder on the user that links to your music on Mac.
For that to work, I changed the rights ( in Mac: Mac drive is read-only ) to 744 recursively.



Personally, however... I LOVE the webcam support on Mac. No, Yen, I do not want to dance for you.

[excaliber7388]

Who wants to dual boot anything?
I'd prefer my hard drive in one piece. I hate splitting it up. Mainly because the last computer I did that on, the hard drive crashed after 2 years.

[Skyld]

Originally Posted by Novo

In the end... If you want Graal on Mac OS X, you emulate. If you want Graal on your Mac, you use Linux. If you're really desperate and get confused too easily about Linux, use Windows.

Actually I double-click "Graal" in the "Applications" folder.

This is exactly why I did not buy an Intel Mac yet; not everything is Universal or Intel-built yet.

[excaliber7388]

Graal isn't universal either?
I should tell apple to take them off their website, they just don't care (j/k)

[excaliber7388]

Come on Stefan, what's up? Do you have any plans for this? Is it even being considered?
It's a great idea, and there's no downsides to having it...so....

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Come on Stefan, what's up? Do you have any plans for this? Is it even being considered?
It's a great idea, and there's no downsides to having it...so....

bump

It's been ignored long enough. I want a real, public reply for once. No more rumors, no more being ignored.

[Admins]

Plans for what? We have said that future tools will be platform-independent, the scripted RC is making good progress, the online-level editors are making progress too, there is also the GUI editor, and for scripting we plan to interface Graal with Eclipse. When it's about an Intel-Mac version there is the problem that we don't have an Intel-Mac right now, and the emulation is at least making it possible to run it (disable true type fonts for better speed).