18+ Forum

[excaliber7388]

I see what you're saying about it being a video game. But you should know that it isn't just younger kids playing video games anymore.
Maybe an 18+ forum is pushing it a little. I'd rather see a set of rules set up for the lounge that are more relaxed, and allow the mature discussions of a few more things, understanding that the majority of people using these forums are over 18.

[-Ching]

wtf why are you idiots obsessed with 'maturity' ..

when you go to the shop to buy lets say..alcohol..they dont go 'NOW ARE YOU SURE YOU'RE MATURE ENOUGH TO BUY THIS?' .. they ask if you're old enough

It's not about being mature, it's about being old enough to be able to take part in 18+ discussions/topics.

And Darlene stop going on about being mature, how old are you and you sit here playing a young persons game, i'd say thats immature, I dont mean any offense here, but i think it's you that should grow up and realise your age and go do things like life that adults should be doing, instead of wasting your life here.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

I'd rather see a set of rules set up for the lounge that are more relaxed, and allow the mature discussions of a few more things, understanding that the majority of people using these forums are over 18.

We tried to be relaxed, it doesn't work on these forums.

Originally Posted by -Ching

And Darlene stop going on about being mature, how old are you and you sit here playing a young persons game, i'd say thats immature, I dont mean any offense here, but i think it's you that should grow up and realise your age and go do things like life that adults should be doing, instead of wasting your life here.

See, this is what I see way too often, proving that this game is more for kids.
The age group is for 13+. No where does it say that you cannot be over a certain age to play. If it does, show me. I do not waste my life here. Regardless of what you might think, I do make time for myself, rightly so, and the hobbies I choose to have.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by -Ching

wtf why are you idiots obsessed with 'maturity' ..

when you go to the shop to buy lets say..alcohol..they dont go 'NOW ARE YOU SURE YOU'RE MATURE ENOUGH TO BUY THIS?' .. they ask if you're old enough

It's not about being mature, it's about being old enough to be able to take part in 18+ discussions/topics.

And Darlene stop going on about being mature, how old are you and you sit here playing a young persons game, i'd say thats immature, I dont mean any offense here, but i think it's you that should grow up and realise your age and go do things like life that adults should be doing, instead of wasting your life here.

No, you are wrong. Your attidude is immature and full of biased opinions.
Who the hell have to judge about the likings and hobbies of other persons? Who has the right to tell somebody else if and when and how he/she can play a game, moderate a game forum or play with a dollhouse?
I dont think we are the idiots in this case, sorry.

[hampy]

I would love to see this discussion, I think a forum where there is little or no moderation exept when people are being seriously offended or racism etc, I think this should be created

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

We tried to be relaxed, it doesn't work on these forums.

I honestly don't remember that...ever

[-Ching]

Originally Posted by Sam

No, you are wrong. Your attidude is immature and full of biased opinions.
Who the hell have to judge about the likings and hobbies of other persons? Who has the right to tell somebody else if and when and how he/she can play a game, moderate a game forum or play with a dollhouse?
I dont think we are the idiots in this case, sorry.

I'm sure she appreciates your love, but i wasnt talking to you

Who are you to decide who's mature and who isnt? just because they dont act like you do? that makes them immature? If you can decide that a person is immature just because they dont have the same ways of thinking as you, then i have the right to claim that a person of an 'older' age playing a game with people 3x younger than him/her is immature.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by hampy

...exept when people are being seriously offended or racism etc, I think this should be created

Except, I can almost guarantee you, that this is what would mostly be there, based on other forums I have seen try this. It just doesn't work.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Except, I can almost guarantee you, that this is what would mostly be there, based on other forums I have seen try this. It just doesn't work.

With good moderation, it would work fine.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

With good moderation, it would work fine.

No it won't. Not here.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by -Ching

I'm sure she appreciates your love, but i wasnt talking to you

Who are you to decide who's mature and who isnt? just because they dont act like you do? that makes them immature? If you can decide that a person is immature just because they dont have the same ways of thinking as you, then i have the right to claim that a person of an 'older' age playing a game with people 3x younger than him/her is immature.

In your case it is very easy: you are not mature and you self admit it.
In general its not me who decide who IS immature but I can judge who ACTS immature.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Googi

Didn't someone (maybe it was even you) already try suggesting this?

I'm not sure if you're responding to my statement or not - please use quotes

[Googi]

Originally Posted by Stephen

I'm not sure if you're responding to my statement or not - please use quotes

There's no quotes because I'm making a general response to the original post (so the person I'm talking to is the thread creator).

[excaliber7388]

Yeah, I've suggested it before, never this seriously.

[Tyhm]

Exists.

[konidias]

Originally Posted by -Ching

wtf why are you idiots obsessed with 'maturity' ...

Calling people idiots.... Nice way to start a rant about maturity...

when you go to the shop to buy lets say..alcohol..they dont go 'NOW ARE YOU SURE YOU'RE MATURE ENOUGH TO BUY THIS?' .. they ask if you're old enough

They should. Don't base your arguement on the screwed up laws in this world.

And Darlene stop going on about being mature, how old are you and you sit here playing a young persons game, i'd say thats immature, I dont mean any offense here, but i think it's you that should grow up and realise your age and go do things like life that adults should be doing, instead of wasting your life here.

I take personal offense to this. I'm 23 and I don't feel like I should be told I'm immature because I like to play games like Graal. What should adults be doing oh wise one? Reading newspapers and drinking coffee? Should every person over the age of 21 be getting married, having kids and working 9 to 5? What a load. Please don't post in this thread anymore. Save yourself the embarassment.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by konidias

I take personal offense to this. I'm 23 and I don't feel like I should be told I'm immature because I like to play games like Graal. What should adults be doing oh wise one? Reading newspapers and drinking coffee? Should every person over the age of 21 be getting married, having kids and working 9 to 5? What a load. Please don't post in this thread anymore. Save yourself the embarassment.

In the same sense, a person's access to a forum should not be defined by one person's judgement on what's mature

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

In the same sense, a person's access to a forum should not be defined by one person's judgement on what's mature

And who do you think should judge this process?

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

And who do you think should judge this process?

No one, that's why it's 18+, not "act like 18+"

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

No one, that's why it's 18+, not "act like 18+"

Good thing there wont be such a forum here then, huh?
Just stop looking for a way to have a section here with no rules, it wont happen.

[Skyld]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

No one, that's why it's 18+, not "act like 18+"

I do not think it is worth arguing this further; it is quite evidently not going to happen because it's a bad idea.

[-Ching]

Originally Posted by konidias

I take personal offense to this. I'm 23 and I don't feel like I should be told I'm immature because I like to play games like Graal. What should adults be doing oh wise one? Reading newspapers and drinking coffee? Should every person over the age of 21 be getting married, having kids and working 9 to 5? What a load. Please don't post in this thread anymore. Save yourself the embarassment.

Take offense all you want, you're deluded if you think i care

And 23 is abit different from 40+, wiseguy

[excaliber7388]

I'd like to know how it would make the general forum worse?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by -Ching

Take offense all you want, you're deluded if you think i care

And 23 is abit different from 40+, wiseguy

How is it different besides the numbers? Only difference I see is that I am old enough to have grown children, and Grandkids

Is it horrible that I like to play viseo games, and other PC games too? I have always loved video games, and computer games.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

I'd like to know how it would make the general forum worse?

It's really very simple. The game is marketed to children, and the creator and owner has no interest in expanding beyond it. It's not out of spite, or bitterness, it's a business decision.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Stephen

It's really very simple. The game is marketed to children, and the creator and owner has no interest in expanding beyond it. It's not out of spite, or bitterness, it's a business decision.

Most of the people here are above 18, so his business plan is to...treat them like little kids?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Most of the people here are above 18, so his business plan is to...treat them like little kids?

Most of the people where? On the Graal forums?

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Most of the people here are above 18, so his business plan is to...treat them like little kids?

You're looking at this as if clients for Graalonline are limited, and that Unixmad has to make decisions based solely on them. Sure, perhaps there are lots of 18/18+ users - but the game is for kids, and I imagine he won't change that any time soon (based on his lack of interest in such a forum).

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Most of the people where? On the Graal forums?

Yup.
Even if they lied on that poll, it still means that they wanted to be treated like adults.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Yup.
Even if they lied on that poll, it still means that they wanted to be treated like adults.

Please, please, please show me how you can prove that most members of Graal are 18+
You keep saying this and I don't see how you could possibly know this information.
Most of the members I have met, are under 18

[Mykel]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

How is it different besides the numbers? Only difference I see is that I am old enough to have grown children, and Grandkids

Is it horrible that I like to play viseo games, and other PC games too? I have always loved video games, and computer games.

There is a huge difference. There is an entire generation gone bye. New trends, new styles, new attitudes. Obviously you have either consciously or sub-consciously adapted some of these as they effect your daily life, but an entire generation is a huge difference.

[Mykel]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Please, please, please show me how you can prove that most members of Graal are 18+
You keep saying this and I don't see how you could possibly know this information.
Most of the members I have met, are under 18

Most...was probably a really bad word. But there are quite a few. I'd say over 30% of the people who are active forum users are over 18. And while I understand that you have to protect the younger crowd, there must be a way to do it without alienating the older crowd.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Mykel

Most...was probably a really bad word. But there are quite a few. I'd say over 30% of the people who are active forum users are over 18. And while I understand that you have to protect the younger crowd, there must be a way to do it without alienating the older crowd.

Maybe quite a few of the active forum members are 18+, but there are a lot of forum members who do not actively post that still view the forums, and are still members. A new account registers on the forums several times a week.

I am 41, and I do not feel alienated at all. I just understand that the rules are how they are because younger children do play graal and sign up for the forums. No big deal at all.

[kinetaro]

If it is truely marketed towards children I am very suprised at that, I mean for the most part only us old people (18+) even remember the non-3d zelda series so we are the ones that go "ahh that takes me back I think i will play this". Most kids these days just want 3d action packed shoot em up games. They cannot appreciate an SNES style game such as graal.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Please, please, please show me how you can prove that most members of Graal are 18+
You keep saying this and I don't see how you could possibly know this information.
Most of the members I have met, are under 18

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Yup.
Even if they lied on that poll, it still means that they wanted to be treated like adults.

Did you get it that time?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Did you get it that time?

I don't care about some piddly poll. I want to know where you get the statistics that most members of these forums are 18+.
Oh, and children wanting to be treated like adults, and members actually being adults ar two different things

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Did you get it that time?

either that or they want to discuss pornography, etc.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Stephen

either that or they want to discuss pornography, etc.

The internet IS for porn.

[excaliber7388]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

I don't care about some piddly poll. I want to know where you get the statistics that most members of these forums are 18+.
Oh, and children wanting to be treated like adults, and members actually being adults ar two different things

Doesn't matter, if they claim they're 18, you can't be blamed.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Doesn't matter, if they claim they're 18, you can't be blamed.

Obviously it does matter to the owner of this forum.