What do you think of the current Classic worlds?

[The Evil Within]

Originally Posted by Gambet

We don't have any other options than to do with what we have. I do believe Zodiac is currently looking for graphic artists, but we have yet to find any skilled artists interested.

Actually I know a couple of people who mentioned in conversations with me that they were going to apply, but then when they questioned one of the staff members about it they were treated very badly (each person said a different name, I can't remember either of the staff members names). I think one of the staff members lead the guy who wanted to tryout in circles and tried making fun of him, and the other guy just told the dude that he wasn't good enough to work on Zodiac before he even submitted a tryout.

This was all about a month ago so what I'm about to say might not apply anymore, but maybe if you guys had some competent staff that didn't treat players like **** you would be able to find the gfx team you were looking for.

[Maasharu]

Originally Posted by Devil

Bah if you take them off classic, they should be permanently taken off, not moved over to hosted.

That's just asinine. I am working my ass off for Delteria. There hasn't been a single day in three months, which is when I was able to start working again, that I haven't developed. Permanently taking Delteria off of the list would do nothing more than spit on all my work and the work of many others.

I really don't care if Delteria gets taken off the list anymore, as long as it can be put back up as soon as we are ready to release the new overworld. I don't really see the point in this, but if everyone wants it to be done then so be it.

However, the idea of taking Delteria and the others off permanently is nothing more than simply trying to be destructive, and it's probably the worst idea I have ever heard.

[_Z3phyr_]

The above 2 posters speak the truth.

[Galdor]

Zodiac is WoW in graal classic shape.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Galdor

Zodiac is WoW in graal classic shape.

Yea, only systems wise. WoW has nice looks, Zodiacs graphics look like a horses back entrance.

[konidias]

Originally Posted by Maasharu

That's just asinine. I am working my ass off for Delteria. There hasn't been a single day in three months, which is when I was able to start working again, that I haven't developed. Permanently taking Delteria off of the list would do nothing more than spit on all my work and the work of many others.

I really don't care if Delteria gets taken off the list anymore, as long as it can be put back up as soon as we are ready to release the new overworld. I don't really see the point in this, but if everyone wants it to be done then so be it.

However, the idea of taking Delteria and the others off permanently is nothing more than simply trying to be destructive, and it's probably the worst idea I have ever heard.

I see the point in it:

- it's not good for Graal to have several 0 playercount servers in the list
- when rebuilding/renovating a server, there is no way to estimate a date that you'll be finished. could be two months, could be ten.
- just because your server is classic does not mean you get the advantage of totally rebuilding it and then having it be classic without passing any inspections (see: "as long as it can be put back up as soon as we are ready to release the new overworld")

I see the last point as the biggest problem. You have servers that go up and then a week later they are back under construction again and then when they finish they just re-release the server without getting passed. They could have very well made the server worse and nobody would know until they played.

I'm making the 2k1 revision and it was removed from the public list as to not cause confusion. I totally intend on getting my server passed and don't think I'm just going to say "okay I'm done, make it classic again", because "it" is no longer the same server that it originally was.

So anyone who thinks it's okay to leave their 0 playercount classic server on the list while they spend an unknown amount of time developing for a re-release, and then expects to release it without it getting passed is taking advantage of the system.

[_Z3phyr_]

Originally Posted by konidias

I see the last point as the biggest problem. You have servers that go up and then a week later they are back under construction again and then when they finish they just re-release the server without getting passed. They could have very well made the server worse and nobody would know until they played.

Well then it's a good thing that Delterians are so damn great at doing shit that everything they do from MV to Charge is copied/rubberstamped and used by everybody else throughout the game.

Maloria, Era, and Valikorlia didn't have much of a problem saying "okay I'm done make it classic again" as I recall (and if yall bring up hosted servers I'll kick ya in the stomach) -- but then again those are the closest examples that I can think of for when a server went up for a week on classic and then went back into Dev.. however I've only been here for four years so what do I know I'm still a noob in this group of old men (and woman).

[Crono]

Wow Koni agrees with me.

The biggest problem here is that there are no rules to actually stay classic. I made a thread suggesting Atlantis and Delteria be removed from the classic list and have Delteria back up when the new version comes out. I'm confident the new version is better than the current because I've seen it. Just the main city alone tops all the classic servers.

But then you run into the problem, there ARE no regulations to KEEP a server classic, only to get it to classic! That's why I keep repeating that PWA has gone to hell and have no power over servers anymore.

[PrinceDark]

swimming system? you mean the drowning? its been done several times before.

classic is where I bit it off of for EoA. I bit off some parts of GK too with the keys and crap.

[Draenin]

I see the point in it:

- it's not good for Graal to have several 0 playercount servers in the list
- when rebuilding/renovating a server, there is no way to estimate a date that you'll be finished. could be two months, could be ten.
- just because your server is classic does not mean you get the advantage of totally rebuilding it and then having it be classic without passing any inspections (see: "as long as it can be put back up as soon as we are ready to release the new overworld")

I see the last point as the biggest problem. You have servers that go up and then a week later they are back under construction again and then when they finish they just re-release the server without getting passed. They could have very well made the server worse and nobody would know until they played.

I'm making the 2k1 revision and it was removed from the public list as to not cause confusion. I totally intend on getting my server passed and don't think I'm just going to say "okay I'm done, make it classic again", because "it" is no longer the same server that it originally was.

So anyone who thinks it's okay to leave their 0 playercount classic server on the list while they spend an unknown amount of time developing for a re-release, and then expects to release it without it getting passed is taking advantage of the system.

Koni, I think you may have overlooked this part:

Originally Posted by Maasharu

I really don't care if Delteria gets taken off the list anymore, as long as it can be put back up as soon as we are ready to release the new overworld.

He's basically saying that it would only be pointless if Delteria were removed from the classic list and then never permitted to be classic again.

[coreys]

Here's my opinion on the classic servers:

Unholy Nation - As much as I hate UN for being such a noob server with nothing to do, it's keeping Graal alive, and is kind of a warm welcome to the new players. Definitely a keeper.

Zodiac - I've heard it's pretty insecure, though I don't know personally. I doubt these rumors as I know Yen is a pretty good scripter. What it lacks is originality, and anything to keep the player hooked. Leveling goes way too fast, and people just run around slashing at noobs. It's overall design leaves something to desire. Oh and lets not forget the staff that have obviously been very immature and treating people like crap. Probably shouldn't be kept for too long. It's a one night stand, shall we say.

Era - Well there's not much to be said about Era. It's a keeper obviously, for the same reasons that Unholy Nation is. I personally don't like it, I've never found those kinds of servers of any real interest, but Graal would take a blow by removing it.

N-Pulse - I like this server from time to time, it has some nice little things to do, like some of the NPCs and Events. It should definitely stay, despite it's fairly average player count. It too, like UN and Era, has kind of become a staple for Graal, it's just not quite as popular.

Valikoria - Val is more of a kind of fetish server, I suppose you could say. It's for those who really like their role playing. It's perfect for it, although I personally can't find any real interest in it. It's a keeper, as much as I don't like saying it.

Classic - Again, another server thats kind of a Graal tradition. Although it has a piss-poor design (especially the levels and graphics) you can't really remove it. It has an extremely loyal playerbase and there really is no reason to remove it.

Maloria - Even though I'm the Head Developer of Maloria, I'll admit that the current version (v2) is a mess. The amount of bugs and lag because of it's poor scripting mostly due to the limits of gs1. Currently it's mostly dead. It has a good premise and can be a lot of fun, especially some events and nation wars, things like that. Working on v3 I can assure you it will blow you away, it should be ready by Christmas time, and will continue to be worked on and improved further after that. Maloria should definately be kept for what it has in store. A good deal of original stuff, and expanding and improving on the things that made Maloria great in the first place.

Delteria - What I've played of Delteria in the past has been pretty boring. It's just another classic server, that has nothing of that little something that makes UN, N-Pulse, and Classic successful. I suppose we should keep it just to see how it's supposed update will bring us.

Atlantis - In it's current state, it's honestly a piece of garbage. Sure, it's the only german server thats ever gotten anywhere. Thats no reason to keep it. It really needs to go.

[konidias]

Originally Posted by Draenin

Koni, I think you may have overlooked this part:

He's basically saying that it would only be pointless if Delteria were removed from the classic list and then never permitted to be classic again.

I didn't overlook it. I specifically quoted it and bolded it.

It's like having a place set for you and then nobody knowing whether you'll actually make it for dinner. You might not show up at all and then what was the point of having that place taken up for nobody? That to me is pointless.

Then what if you do show up but you're rude and not what anyone was expecting? Well too bad because you had a reserved seat so people just have to deal with it.

That's what I'm saying. The current system is ineffective. I think Maloria opened to the public and then in a few days they shut down again and totally rebuilt it or something... am I mistaken? Why is this permitted?

If you totally remake the server it's no longer what it once was. So then it should be reviewed again and passed again. Not "well it was already classic so it can never be removed even if we change it into something entirely different and horrible".

[Maasharu]

I was actually taking into account that it should be inspected, and saying that's why I don't really care if it gets taken down. I read Devil as acting as though Delteria and the others should be taken down with NO CHANCE to ever return, after all the work we have put into it.

And the reason I don't see the point in taking it down is that I don't really believe that these two or three servers being empty actually harms Graal at all; Rather that this is just some sort of hysteria among opinionated people or those that play other servers and would never really have had interest in Delteria in the first place.

However, what you all decide, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. (Is it wise to put one's beliefs in the hands of the Graal community? Don't try it at home.)

[zim5354]

Originally Posted by Maasharu

I was actually taking into account that it should be inspected, and saying that's why I don't really care if it gets taken down. I read Devil as acting as though Delteria and the others should be taken down with NO CHANCE to ever return, after all the work we have put into it.

And the reason I don't see the point in taking it down is that I don't really believe that these two or three servers being empty actually harms Graal at all; Rather that this is just some sort of hysteria among opinionated people or those that play other servers and would never really have had interest in Delteria in the first place.

However, what you all decide, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. (Is it wise to put one's beliefs in the hands of the Graal community? Don't try it at home.)

I say "hide" it like bab. let them keep classic status (accts not having to pay to dev there.) as long as work is being done (for so long) and then restore it to classic or remove its classic status.

[Devil]

Originally Posted by Maasharu

I was actually taking into account that it should be inspected, and saying that's why I don't really care if it gets taken down. I read Devil as acting as though Delteria and the others should be taken down with NO CHANCE to ever return, after all the work we have put into it.

And the reason I don't see the point in taking it down is that I don't really believe that these two or three servers being empty actually harms Graal at all; Rather that this is just some sort of hysteria among opinionated people or those that play other servers and would never really have had interest in Delteria in the first place.

However, what you all decide, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. (Is it wise to put one's beliefs in the hands of the Graal community? Don't try it at home.)

Oh stop crying, these servers have been around for years, and countless remakes have made them into what?

A waste of server space, where no one plays. If you can bring out a good server, I will play. I've seen screenshots of the tileset and other things from Michael Li in one of his other threads, and it looked awesome.