Forum driving license - Page 2

Sam · #41 10-09-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

We asked if the moderation could be relaxed when you guys asked us what we thought, and then you turn around and make it more strict? Pathetic.

Why you think its going to become more strict now? Please, wait and see how its going in the future. Don't judge now how it will be in the future.

Draenin · #42 10-09-2006, 04:19 PM

You ask for helpful suggestions from players on what do to about Graal's financial state, but then lay down even more policies players don't like. I really don't understand you sometimes, Unix.

Crono · #43 10-09-2006, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Maybe some members should learn how to act appropriately in public.

This is a game. If you really want us to sit around in classic and discuss the theory of the big bang...

Devil · #44 10-09-2006, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

I should sue you for making me bite my tounge so hard.
I found out about the infractioon system this morning when I found out I got one for inquiring (in the flying tech thread) about how the tech will work so I can implement it on my server.
Funny, huh?

Why come to me with your problems?

Your original posts, as far as I am concerned were inappropiate to the topic at hand, then you decided to be nice and ask if it could be used in non-gold servers..

-Edit, you players disgust me, because there are hardly any other games out there where you get so much opinion, (whether you like to admit it or not).

If this were another online game, would you get so much input, or PLAYER MADE WORLDS?

You do not see the big picture here.

Darlene159 · #45 10-09-2006, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

You ask for helpful suggestions from players on what do to about Graal's financial state, but then lay down even more policies players don't like. I really don't understand you sometimes, Unix.

These are not new policies. these rules have been around forever, but need to be enforced consistantly.

Crono · #46 10-09-2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil

-Edit, you players disgust me, because there are hardly any other games out there where you get so much opinion, (whether you like to admit it or not).

And you're not a player? Lol

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If this were another online game, would you get so much input, or PLAYER MADE WORLDS?

Do other games really rely on players to build all their content?

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You do not see the big picture here.

Devil I see what you're doing, and it's disappointing. You remind me of Kuji's latest posts in any thread unixmad posts in.

Darlene159 · #47 10-09-2006, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

This is a game. If you really want us to sit around in classic and discuss the theory of the big bang...

Yea, it is a game. I'm not even going to get started on the inappropriate things I have seen in game, which is why I quit playing as much.
The same would happen to these forums without the moderation that we currently have.

Devil · #48 10-09-2006, 04:25 PM

I am in no way like Kuji, he should have been banned a loooong time ago when he decided to be associated with anti-graal people.

Secondly, yes I am a player and I can get along with other players on the forums, and the game, I am a perfect example of this.

Not all games rely on people to make their content, and either did Graal, they decided to go this way, and people still complain that they get to put their hard made creations online?

-Ching · #49 10-09-2006, 04:25 PM

Dear -Ching,

You have received an infraction at Graal Communication Center (reserved for gold and vip subscribers).

http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/s....php?p=1228426

Reason: Personal attack against someone

AM I THE FIRST

unixmad · #50 10-09-2006, 04:25 PM

Where new policies? It's the same rules we have since months.

If the rules are not enforced then they should be deleted. So we enforce them, nothing new.

It's even better for everyone to get a reason for breaking a rule, before it was possible to be banned with just one message, you could now be warned without loosing point or you have 1 point taken from your driving license what doesn't make you banned if you have previously not broken rules.

So it's less strict than before and all rules are written, everyone can now decide to respect or not rules rules and known the consequences.

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Originally Posted by Draenin

You ask for helpful suggestions from players on what do to about Graal's financial state, but then lay down even more policies players don't like. I really don't understand you sometimes, Unix.

Devil · #51 10-09-2006, 04:26 PM

Post regarding -Ching :

And this proves my point of being childish.

Why bother posting that? This just proves the moderators/admins point of people being idiotic.

excaliber7388 · #52 10-09-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil

Why come to me with your problems?

Your original posts, as far as I am concerned were inappropiate to the topic at hand, then you decided to be nice and ask if it could be used in non-gold servers..

Actually, for clarification, my original posts were questioning whether or not the flying system was actually a level zooming system, so that I could have a script that would work for any account, but would only zoom for gold/vip. Somehow, it's meaning was lost in translation I assume

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-Edit, you players disgust me, because there are hardly any other games out there where you get so much opinion, (whether you like to admit it or not).

You always get an opinion, unforunatly, some other businesses listen to the opinions of their customers.

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If this were another online game, would you get so much input, or PLAYER MADE WORLDS?

If it had all the features graal does, but different management tactics, yes.

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You do not see the big picture here.

I'm afraid you're only seeing the picture that will get you a staff position

Darlene159 · #53 10-09-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by -Ching

Dear -Ching,

You have received an infraction at Graal Communication Center (reserved for gold and vip subscribers).

http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/s....php?p=1228426

Reason: Personal attack against someone

AM I THE FIRST

Learn from it.

k0rupt_ed · #54 10-09-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by unixmad

We are introducing today the forum driving license.

Each forum user is receiving today a blank forum driving license with 3 points, each infraction will take a number of points from your driving license. Your loosen points are automaticaly recovered after 10 days.

Here are the list of infraction and the number of points taken:

Spam: 1 Point
Personal attack against someone: 1 Point
Inappropriate Language: 1 Point
Posting Non-Graal related links/url's: 1 Point
Signature/avatar/custom title violation: 2 Points
Recreating deleted/closed thread: 2 Points
Discussing bans: 2 Points
Evading the curse filter: 2 Points
Insulted other member(s) and Inappropriate language: 3 Points
Custom infraction can be given: number of points will be decided by the moderator.

If your 3 points are taken from your forum driving license, your account will be automatically banned for 1 week.

For each infraction you will receive an explanation.

Well.. This took the fun out of things.. peachy..

excaliber7388 · #55 10-09-2006, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by -Ching

Dear -Ching,

You have received an infraction at Graal Communication Center (reserved for gold and vip subscribers).

http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/s....php?p=1228426

Reason: Personal attack against someone

AM I THE FIRST

I had this one this morning, as previously stated..
Oh, am I the first?

Devil · #56 10-09-2006, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by excaliber7388

Actually, for clarification, my original posts were questioning whether or not the flying system was actually a level zooming system, so that I could have a script that would work for any account, but would only zoom for gold/vip. Somehow, it's meaning was lost in translation I assume

You always get an opinion, unforunatly, some other businesses listen to the opinions of their customers.

If it had all the features graal does, but different management tactics, yes.

I'm afraid you're only seeing the picture that will get you a staff position

Don't dare question my motives.

I admit, I have been globally banned before, and yes, I have worked (not FORMALLY) for GraalOnline, over 2-3 years ago. For reasons which do not need to be talked about.

Anything else you say in your post, does not affect me in anyway, it is not my fault you pay for a game which you supposedly like, and still complain about every single little thing which you don't get.

Crono · #57 10-09-2006, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Darlene159

Yea, it is a game. I'm not even going to get started on the inappropriate things I have seen in game, which is why I quit playing as much.
The same would happen to these forums without the moderation that we currently have.

Not a problem for us, only you guys.

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I am in no way like Kuji, he should have been banned a loooong time ago when he decided to be associated with anti-graal people.

I'm not talking about that. Look back at some threads made by unixmad and the kind of posts he makes.

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Secondly, yes I am a player and I can get along with other players on the forums, and the game, I am a perfect example of this.

So why are you like "lol u playerz disgust me..."? You're one of us.

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Not all games rely on people to make their content, and either did Graal, they decided to go this way, and people still complain that they get to put their hard made creations online?

Most games DON'T RELY ON PLAYERS to make content. If they do, then naturally there will be more player input. I'm talking about "If this were another online game, would you get so much input, or PLAYER MADE WORLDS?", and BECAUSE this game has most of it's content from players, we naturally have more player input. Which is why Graal has so much player input, which pretty much makes your pro-LOLUHAEVAVOICE statement irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by unximad

If the rules are not enforced then they should be deleted.

Do it. That's a more awesome approach.

maximus_asinus · #58 10-09-2006, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Why you think its going to become more strict now? Please, wait and see how its going in the future. Don't judge now how it will be in the future.

How isn't it more strict? Now it is two or three infractions and you're banned for a week. The forums were strict before but this is a new level. Forum bans will be on the rise, and then eventually people will be too afraid to post unless it is "Tra lala I love Graal, have my money unixmad, moderators are great".

Rufus · #59 10-09-2006, 04:32 PM

This idea of infractions makes me quite paranoid to the content of my posts due to things listed being opinions and sometimes, these things just slip out.

If you are however going to use this system, which I personally feel makes things less fun for everyone then more fitting punishments should go like stated in http://www.vbulletin.com/docs/html/m...ractions_intro.

I think examples punishments are much more fitting.

Devil · #60 10-09-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerami

Not a problem for us, only you guys.

I'm not talking about that. Look back at some threads made by unixmad and the kind of posts he makes.

So why are you like "lol u playerz disgust me..."? You're one of us.

Most games DON'T RELY ON PLAYERS to make content. If they do, then naturally there will be more player input. I'm talking about "If this were another online game, would you get so much input, or PLAYER MADE WORLDS?", and BECAUSE this game has most of it's content from players, we naturally have more player input. Which is why Graal has so much player input, which pretty much makes your pro-LOLUHAEVAVOICE statement irrelevant.

Do it. That's a more awesome approach.

You tell me to look back at unixmad's posts.

You PAID FOR THIS GAME. If you have a problem with it, FORUM PM, or email the OWNER of the game. This is _your_ problem if you can't abide by _SIMPLE_ rules.

I do NOT understand how this is hard, the way -Ching is acting now is highly stupid that he pays for a game, and acts like an idiot in posts, I personally couldn't do that because it shows such immaturity.

I find it highly amusing that you (not you Crono, but people in general) pay for this game, yet complain about the most stupid things around. If you don't like it, there is a simple way to go about this. LEAVE.

Crono · #61 10-09-2006, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil

You tell me to look back at unixmad's posts.

Ok?

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You PAID FOR THIS GAME..

Actually, no I didn't.

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I do NOT understand how this is hard, the way -Ching is acting now is highly stupid that he pays for a game, and acts like an idiot in posts, I personally couldn't do that because it shows such immaturity.

His posts are amusing and is entertaining everyone but a few. I don't see what's so wrong about his posts anyway.

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(not you Crono, but people in general)

luv u devil

-Ching · #62 10-09-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil

Post regarding -Ching :

And this proves my point of being childish.

Why bother posting that? This just proves the moderators/admins point of people being idiotic.

Make sure you dont choke on what you're sucking on

I prefer the word 'laid back' over childish, my friends LOVE me for the way I am. I could be a boring miserable person, but I choose not to be because that isn't me. OK?

Rufus · #63 10-09-2006, 04:37 PM

This is too ironic, you're complaining about this system being introduced and yet, what you are now is exactly why it was introduced, Crono, Devil, Kirai.

Crono · #64 10-09-2006, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus

This is too ironic, you're complaining about this system being introduced and yet, what you are now is exactly why it was introduced, Crono, Devil, Kirai.

Oh? Tell me what I'm doing.

unixmad · #65 10-09-2006, 04:39 PM

We will change it if needed, for now it will stay like it is.

The rules and points have been discussed between super moderators/admins and we have all agreed on these rules, so it's not just something i have decided alone.

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Originally Posted by Rufus

This idea of infractions makes me quite paranoid to the content of my posts due to things listed being opinions and sometimes, these things just slip out.
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Devil · #66 10-09-2006, 04:39 PM

-Ching, thank you first of all, for proving the fact of what I said before of being an immature little trouble maker. Please continue doing this in life, and see what you make of yourself.

Second of all, Crono you are a good bloke and I know most of the time you mean well for what is going on with Graal, but people don't seem to recognise that in a good way.

Everyone around here has a problem with something, but you are given a way to say it properly and can't even act in a mature way and say it, instead you resort to this crap that -Ching has given me. I'm just a player at heart and I get this crap from another player, this only makes me think in my mind of how much a bad player he is towards moderating staff in general, and the Graal community as a whole.

Quality, not quantity thanks.

Rufus, don't mention me in that message, as I am not giving other players a hard time, just telling them how it is from another players perspective of how they are perceived in this game.

Draenin · #67 10-09-2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Unixmad

Where new policies? It's the same rules we have since months.

It's a new policy paired with an older set of rules.

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Originally Posted by Unixmad

If the rules are not enforced then they should be deleted. So we enforce them, nothing new.

It's even better for everyone to get a reason for breaking a rule, before it was possible to be banned with just one message, you could now be warned without loosing point or you have 1 point taken from your driving license what doesn't make you banned if you have previously not broken rules.

So it's less strict than before and all rules are written, everyone can now decide to respect or not rules rules and known the consequences.

This will lead to players being banned more often. And sometimes, players who are banned will decide they don't want to bother with coming back, or renewing for that matter.

-Ching · #68 10-09-2006, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil

-Ching, thank you first of all, for proving the fact of what I said before of being an immature little trouble maker. Please continue doing this in life, and see what you make of yourself.

IRL..I'm funny, popular..easy to get along with, not uptight..get along with most people. ID SAY IM DOING PRETTY GOOD FOR MYSELF.

Why are you worried about my life? This isnt a dating site dude.

And if Unixmad wants to silence me for being the way i am, it's him that'll lose out cause it's me that upgrades my account whenever the gold/vip runs out, it's me that puts money into his pocket. I'm not gonna miss anything if i stop bothering to upgrade.

Devil · #69 10-09-2006, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Draenin

It's a new policy paired with an older set of rules.
This will lead to players being banned more often. And sometimes, players who are banned will decide they don't want to bother with coming back, or renewing for that matter.

I agree to a certain extent.

It is a way to give players a way to be banned, (when they play up in a wrong way) and still given the fact that they can come back after a week, isntead of being perm banned for making _ONE_ mistake.

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Originally Posted by -Ching

IRL..I'm funny, popular..easy to get along with, not uptight..get along with most people. ID SAY IM DOING PRETTY GOOD FOR MYSELF.

Why are you worried about my life? This isnt a dating site dude.

That's all well and dandy about what you say about your life.

No one here can vouch for you, let alone believe what you say is true. I'm not here to debate what YOUR LIFE is like, you are here to play a game, give your input and follow RULES.

How hard is that? do you feel the need you have to rebel and lash out against this game? If you don't like it... then _LEAVE_.

Demisis_P2P · #70 10-09-2006, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by EULA

This Agreement comprise the entire agreement between LINUX Cyberjoueurs and you, and supersedes any prior agreements between you and LINUX Cyberjoueurs with respect to the subject matter hereof or thereof. However, you are subject to any additional terms and conditions of which you are notified and/or which may apply when using third party content, software or Graal Online system. LINUX Cyberjoueurs may revise this Agreement at any time, and such revision shall be effective thirty (30) days after posting of the revised Agreement at this location.

Does this count?

Draenin · #71 10-09-2006, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil

It is a way to give players a way to be banned, (when they play up in a wrong way) and still given the fact that they can come back after a week, isntead of being perm banned for making _ONE_ mistake.

It was like that before. Now we have to additionally worry about people watching every move we make.

unixmad · #72 10-09-2006, 04:50 PM

You always speak like we are money hungry, 90% of our decisions with graal are not connected with money incomes but to drive graal to the good direction.

We want graal to be a friendly place and i already said that I will not care banning 30% of the players if it makes the place friendlier.

So if someone want a place to make personal attacks or fight against other members it's by far better to find another forum or game.

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Originally Posted by Draenin

It's a new policy paired with an older set of rules.
This will lead to players being banned more often. And sometimes, players who are banned will decide they don't want to bother with coming back, or renewing for that matter.

excaliber7388 · #73 10-09-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P

Does this count?

Devil · #74 10-09-2006, 04:51 PM

I'm finished with what I have to say to be quite honest.

If anyone has anything else to say, forum PM me, or find me on client as I do not wish to BOTHER wasting my time with players who obviously can't understand proper English and forum rules.

I'm one forum PM button away.

Crono · #75 10-09-2006, 04:52 PM

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We want graal to be a friendly place and i already said that i will not care banning 30% of the players if it make the place more friendly.

Keep dreaming. Graal is far from friendly and has been like this since I started in 2000. If you really want to change that, watch the game fail.

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So if someone want a place to make personal attacks or fight against other members it's by far better to find another forum or game.

But what about your global team or GK staff? They are not allowed to post on another forum. :/

Whatever. I guess I'm done with this thread.

-Ching · #76 10-09-2006, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil

I'm finished with what I have to say to be quite honest.

If anyone has anything else to say, forum PM me, or find me on client as I do not wish to BOTHER wasting my time with players who obviously can't understand proper English and forum rules.

I'm one forum PM button away.

Good, because you obviously arnt mature enough to handle it when people disagree with you. GOODBYE

excaliber7388 · #77 10-09-2006, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil

Don't dare question my motives.

I admit, I have been globally banned before, and yes, I have worked (not FORMALLY) for GraalOnline, over 2-3 years ago. For reasons which do not need to be talked about.

Anything else you say in your post, does not affect me in anyway, it is not my fault you pay for a game which you supposedly like, and still complain about every single little thing which you don't get.

I've said enough in the past, for a rebuttal, and possible pwnage, check mine and other sensible users' posts from the past.

Draenin · #78 10-09-2006, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Unixmad

You always speak like we are money hungry

I do not. I could point out multiple instances to you where I've told players to shut up when they've mentioned that they are paying customers and whatnot, because I know that it really doesn't have a lot to do with game content improving.

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Originally Posted by Unixmad

We want graal to be a friendly place and i already said that i will not care banning 30% of the players if it make the place more friendly.

But see, therein lies a problem. After a while, rules will still be broken without bannings and you'll have to step up on policies yet again, endangering an even greater percentage of the playercount when they do something out of line.

Tom · #79 10-09-2006, 04:56 PM

So pointless...You do relise this is just a forum? I dont see why everyone sso serious about it, a rude post just delete. It means the moderators actually have a job to do.

I really think your just wasting your time, its a f.or.u.m ¬_¬

excaliber7388 · #80 10-09-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom

So pointless...You do relise this is just a forum? I dont see why everyone sso serious about it, a rude post just delete. It means the moderators actually have a job to do.

I really think your just wasting your time, its a f.or.u.m ¬_¬

If it was only rude posts that were deleted, no one would have a problem.
Read the entire thread, and the moderation thread in the ngrt