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unixmad 10-09-2006 03:26 PM

Forum driving license
 
We are introducing today the forum driving license.

Each forum user is receiving today a blank forum driving license with 3 points, each infraction will take a number of points from your driving license. Your losen points are automaticaly recovered after 10 days.

Here is the list of infraction and the number of points taken:
  • Spam: 1 Point
  • Personal attack against someone: 1 Point
  • Inappropriate Language: 1 Point
  • Posting Non-Graal related links/url's: 1 Point
  • Signature/avatar/custom title violation: 2 Points
  • Recreating deleted/closed thread: 2 Points
  • Discussing bans or infractions: 2 Points
  • Evading the curse filter: 2 Points
  • Insulted other member(s) and Inappropriate language: 3 Points
  • Custom infraction can be given: number of points will be decided by the moderator.

If your 3 points are taken from your forum driving license, your account will be automatically banned for 1 week.

For each infraction you will receive an explanation.

Devil 10-09-2006 03:27 PM

I will never lose a point :D

Cool idea though??

-Edit, if I could say one thing, could we (or cyberjoueurs) please revise the OFFLINKING of other websites. I can understand if it is to illegal things, or other MMORPG's, but please re-think the situation towards other weblinks in future if this is possible.

Magadal 10-09-2006 03:29 PM

Mh. Not good. I loved to evade the swear filter :[

MysticX2X 10-09-2006 03:29 PM

Personally i think 3 points is 2 low.

post 555

Devil 10-09-2006 03:30 PM

Mystic, the forum rules are easy to follow (90% of the time) I don't see how this is a problem.

If you get banned for 1 week by not following the rules, you need to be banned in my opinion.

xXziroXx 10-09-2006 03:35 PM

So, where can I check how many points I currently have?

Demisis_P2P 10-09-2006 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXziroXx (Post 1228428)
So, where can I check how many points I currently have?

www.doesn'texist.com/yourmemory

Does that count as an offsite link? D:
Technically it's not even a link since you can't click it, but, yeah...

Darlene159 10-09-2006 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devil (Post 1228424)
Mystic, the forum rules are easy to follow (90% of the time) I don't see how this is a problem.

If you get banned for 1 week by not following the rules, you need to be banned in my opinion.

Agreed.

Crono 10-09-2006 03:41 PM

ok

Demisis_P2P 10-09-2006 03:42 PM

Technically it's more of a 'three strikes' policy.
Just so you know.

Sam 10-09-2006 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXziroXx (Post 1228428)
So, where can I check how many points I currently have?

Quote:

Originally Posted by unixmad (Post 1228418)
We are introducing today the forum driving license.

Each forum user is receiving today a blank forum driving license with 3 points...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P (Post 1228429)
www.doesn'texist.com/yourmemory

Does that count as an offsite link? D:
Technically it's not even a link since you can't click it, but, yeah...

No, but as spam... ;)

Rufus 10-09-2006 03:48 PM

I don't agree with this as many of the infractions are a matter of opinion.

Say, if someone posted something they deemed not spam, but a moderator thought it was, they could be banned for a week. The punishment does not seem to fit the crime.

Crono 10-09-2006 03:50 PM

Quote:

# Insulted other member(s) and Inappropriate language: 3 Points
Actually, this is insane. If someone is obviously acting like a complete idiot we're not allowed to call them an idiot? These forums are for Graalians, do you have any idea how we treate eachother ingame?

;)

Darlene159 10-09-2006 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1228435)
I don't agree with this as many of the infractions are a matter of opinion.

Say, if someone posted something they deemed not spam, but a moderator thought it was, they could be banned for a week. The punishment does not seem to fit the crime.

It is 1 point for spam...you get 3 chances per 10 days for spam.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerami (Post 1228437)
Actually, this is insane. If someone is obviously acting like a complete idiot we're not allowed to call them an idiot? These forums are for Graalians, do you have any idea how we treate eachother ingame?

;)

You can tell someone they aren't acting appropriately, without calling them an idiot.
These are the forums, not the game. :)

unixmad 10-09-2006 03:55 PM

I have already said that 10 times but we want the forums to be a friendly place.

Forums are a public place and you are not allowed to do in public what you can do in private.

zim5354 10-09-2006 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darlene159 (Post 1228440)
It is 1 point for spam...you get 3 chances per 10 days for spam.

You can tell someone they aren't acting appropriately, without calling them an idiot.
These are the forums, not the game. :)

We know in the game we dont have these problems.

Devil 10-09-2006 03:57 PM

If a moderator got out of hand, you would easily be able to contest it, ASLONG as you were in the right and could prove it, as far as I'm concerned.

Zim, don't play around, in game is moderated differently than the forums. Considering it is run by players for players, and can not be run by proper staff all the time on all servers.

Sam 10-09-2006 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerami (Post 1228437)
... do you have any idea how we treat eachother ingame?

;)

I can imagine. But there's a small difference: here it last's for years (and Googi find every typed word from years ago ;))

Darlene159 10-09-2006 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zim5354 (Post 1228442)
We know in the game we dont have these problems.

In game is much worse :\
No control whatsoever.

Crono 10-09-2006 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 1228444)
here it last's for years (and Googi find every typed word from years ago ;))

And you find people's PM's from years ago in the history folder.

Quote:

Originally Posted by unixmad (Post 1228441)
I have already said that 10 times but we want the forums to be a friendly place.

Calling one or two people something that is true based on their posts does not make the forum unfriendly. We're still one big happy family.

Quote:

Forums are a public place and you are not allowed to do in public what you can do in private.
Graal is private? Wow...

Quote:

You can tell someone they aren't acting appropriately, without calling them an idiot.
These are the forums, not the game.
These are the forums for the game, people would assume it's the same thing. o.o i sure did when i first started viewing the forums.

Either way I still think the rules are too extreme, one insult and you're banned for one week? :///

Rufus 10-09-2006 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darlene159 (Post 1228438)
It is 1 point for spam...you get 3 chances per 10 days for spam.

That was just one example.

Personal attack against someone: 1 Point
- This is all a matter of opinion, some of the posts I've made about Sam recently could be seen as "personal attacks" but they were not.
Inappropriate Language: 1 Point
- There is a filter for this.
Posting Non-Graal related links/url's: 1 Point
- These links could be removed, threads moved.
Signature/avatar/custom title violation: 2 Points
- Easily removed upon request or edited.
Discussing bans: 2 Points
- Again, thread can be closed due to the rules.
Evading the curse filter: 2 Points
- Not that big of a deal, can be moderated.
Insulted other member(s) and Inappropriate language: 3 Points
- I could take an offence to some of the things a moderator has said, as I have, does this mean they would get a point? It's all based on opinion.

Recreating deleted/closed thread: 2 Points
- This is the only one I agree with.

To be honest the moderators are doing a fine job in keeping these type of "crimes" at bay, this infractions idea just looks like having a reason to ban people.

-Ching 10-09-2006 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darlene159 (Post 1228445)
In game is much worse :\
No control whatsoever.

I agree with you there.

Devil 10-09-2006 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Ching (Post 1228448)
I agree with you there.


It doesn't take a genius to figure that out, please.

Demisis_P2P 10-09-2006 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 1228434)
No, but as spam... ;)

Pish posh.
I was indirectly answering his querie.
He wanted to know if there is any way that forum users can view their 'license' and see how many points they have.
There isn't, so I was suggesting that he'd simply have to remember when he gets reprimanded.

Devil 10-09-2006 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P (Post 1228453)
Pish posh.
I was indirectly answering his querie.
He wanted to know if there is any way that forum users can view their 'license' and see how many points they have.
There isn't, so I was suggesting that he'd simply have to remember when he gets reprimanded.

Give the guy a break, if he wasn't doing his job, he would be fired/removed as a moderator for GraalOnline.

If you were in his position, and were offered his job, you would have to do the same thing, so don't give me, players, or himself (Sam) that crap, it's un-needed and you just make yourself look like a problem player.

Grow up.

unixmad 10-09-2006 04:09 PM

Moderators will decide in good faith like are doing police or judge in real life.

When someone is breaking rules if he/she rarely do it then he will just receive a warning, if he is well known to break rules then he will receive zero tolerance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1228447)
That was just one example.

Personal attack against someone: 1 Point
- This is all a matter of opinion, some of the posts I've made about Sam recently could be seen as "personal attacks" but they were not.
Inappropriate Language: 1 Point
- There is a filter for this.
Posting Non-Graal related links/url's: 1 Point
- These links could be removed, threads moved.
Signature/avatar/custom title violation: 2 Points
- Easily removed upon request or edited.
Discussing bans: 2 Points
- Again, thread can be closed due to the rules.
Evading the curse filter: 2 Points
- Not that big of a deal, can be moderated.
Insulted other member(s) and Inappropriate language: 3 Points
- I could take an offence to some of the things a moderator has said, as I have, does this mean they would get a point? It's all based on opinion.

Recreating deleted/closed thread: 2 Points
- This is the only one I agree with.

To be honest the moderators are doing a fine job in keeping these type of "crimes" at bay, this infractions idea just looks like having a reason to ban people.


Crono 10-09-2006 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unixmad (Post 1228459)
When someone is breaking rules if he/she rarely do it then he will just receive a warning, if he is well known to break rules then he will receive zero tolerance.

I'm screwed.

Sam 10-09-2006 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1228447)
That was just one example.

Personal attack against someone: 1 Point
- This is all a matter of opinion, some of the posts I've made about Sam recently could be seen as "personal attacks" but they were not.
Inappropriate Language: 1 Point
- There is a filter for this.
Posting Non-Graal related links/url's: 1 Point
- These links could be removed, threads moved.
Signature/avatar/custom title violation: 2 Points
- Easily removed upon request or edited.
Discussing bans: 2 Points
- Again, thread can be closed due to the rules.
Evading the curse filter: 2 Points
- Not that big of a deal, can be moderated.
Insulted other member(s) and Inappropriate language: 3 Points
- I could take an offence to some of the things a moderator has said, as I have, does this mean they would get a point? It's all based on opinion.

Recreating deleted/closed thread: 2 Points
- This is the only one I agree with.

To be honest the moderators are doing a fine job in keeping these type of "crimes" at bay, this infractions idea just looks like having a reason to ban people.

We can give infractions, we must not do it. Its a kind of control system for both. Users will check if they are on a bad way, mods can give you a "yellow card" without points, but also a "red card" which means 1-3 points.
You know how much posts with spam like "looooool" in the forums. We dont warn a user who do it once or twice, but if someone do it by 50% of his posts, he deserves a infraction.

Bl0nkt 10-09-2006 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Ching (Post 1228426)
Wow, how lame.

You sure do know how to please your customers.

Ever thought of running for president of North Korea?

hahaha
Why do we hate eachother? Honestly, we're so close.

Darlene159 10-09-2006 04:11 PM

@Rufus:
Members pay no attention when things are simply removed, moved, edited, whatever.
There is absolutely no excuse for the actions of a lot of members of these forums, and hopefully this will put a stop to it.

New members, unpopular members, unknown members cannot even post on these forums, particularly in the Development forums or the playerworld hiring forums without getting attacked to death, and it makes me sick.
they have just as much right to post here, and be treated with respect, as anyone else who is "popular" on these forums. This treatment of these members makes me very angry.

unixmad 10-09-2006 04:14 PM

It's not because we don't enforce some rules on graal that they are allowed.
You will see soon that some unfriendly behaviours will be stopped on graal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerami (Post 1228446)
And you find people's PM's from years ago in the history folder.

Graal is private? Wow....


maximus_asinus 10-09-2006 04:15 PM

We asked if the moderation could be relaxed when you guys asked us what we thought, and then you turn around and make it more strict? Pathetic.

Crono 10-09-2006 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unixmad (Post 1228467)
You will see soon that some unfriendly behaviours will be stopped on graal.

You'd just ruin it then. :pluffy:

Darlene159 10-09-2006 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Ching (Post 1228426)
Wow, how lame.

You sure do know how to please your customers.

Ever thought of running for president of North Korea?

See, it is posts like this that are totally not needed. This is nothing but a personal attack against Unixmad, and is not helpful at all

Devil 10-09-2006 04:16 PM

With what Darlene says, I agree.

I watch one person who asks for new people to join his playerworld, get attacked because he went under another alias (however many days/months/years ago) and 98% of people in that thread gave the guy a hard time because of what he done in the past.

It's very unfair, if you do not like the person, it's easy as not posting in his thread and let the thread run it's course. If it is not correct (as a thread) let it be closed on it's own behalf, instead of being closed or posts being deleted because people don't like that person, or what is being said.

SIMPLE

Rufus 10-09-2006 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darlene159 (Post 1228465)
Members pay no attention when things are simply removed, moved, edited, whatever.
There is absolutely no excuse for the actions of a lot of members of these forums, and hopefully this will put a stop to it.

New members, unpopular members, unknown members cannot even post on these forums, particularly in the Development forums or the playerworld hiring forums without getting attacked to death, and it makes me sick.
they have just as much right to post here, and be treated with respect, as anyone else who is "popular" on these forums. This treatment of these members makes me very angry.

I totally agree, I'm also sick of the treatment that new users and developers are treated, and the way they feel like they have to join in to fit in. I feel however that this new system will be used in personal vendetta's against certain people. I think the punishments should fit the crime, rather then being based upon points.

Demisis_P2P 10-09-2006 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darlene159 (Post 1228465)
@Rufus:
Members pay no attention when things are simply removed, moved, edited, whatever.
There is absolutely no excuse for the actions of a lot of members of these forums, and hopefully this will put a stop to it.

New members, unpopular members, unknown members cannot even post on these forums, particularly in the Development forums or the playerworld hiring forums without getting attacked to death, and it makes me sick.
they have just as much right to post here, and be treated with respect, as anyone else who is "popular" on these forums. This treatment of these members makes me very angry.

I haven't had any trouble with people attacking me since I started posting on the forums.
The only person that's been mean to me so far is Stephen.
And now Devil.

Crono 10-09-2006 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darlene159 (Post 1228470)
See, it is posts like this that are totally not needed. This is nothing but a personal attack against Unixmad, and is not helpful at all

I wouldn't look at it as an attack, more of a statement comparing unixmad's rule of the forums to the leader of north korea's rule of north korea.

Quote:

It's very unfair, if you do not like the person, it's easy as not posting in his thread and let the thread run it's course.
No. If someone doesn't like someone they should go ahead and post it. Why not? It's not breaking rules, and what are these forums for? Expressing positive opinions? No, expressing opinions in general, as long as they fit the rules.

Darlene159 10-09-2006 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerami (Post 1228469)
You'd just ruin it then. :pluffy:

Maybe some members should learn how to act appropriately in public.

excaliber7388 10-09-2006 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devil (Post 1228424)
Mystic, the forum rules are easy to follow (90% of the time) I don't see how this is a problem.

If you get banned for 1 week by not following the rules, you need to be banned in my opinion.

I should sue you for making me bite my tounge so hard.
I found out about the infractioon system this morning when I found out I got one for inquiring (in the flying tech thread) about how the tech will work so I can implement it on my server.
Funny, huh?


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