Shawn64

[Skrobo2]

I agree with Yen. This is a thread to inform people of the death of a friend and for you to show your respects. Not a place for you to argue or discuss your opinions on religion or why he did it. You should just leave your respects and condolences and leave it at that.

[Huwajux]

Originally Posted by Skrobo2

I agree with Yen. This is a thread to inform people of the death of a friend and for you to show your respects. Not a place for you to argue or discuss your opinions on religion or why he did it. You should just leave your respects and condolences and leave it at that.

Amen!

[Mykel]

Originally Posted by Skrobo2

I agree with Yen. This is a thread to inform people of the death of a friend and for you to show your respects. Not a place for you to argue or discuss your opinions on religion or why he did it. You should just leave your respects and condolences and leave it at that.

NO!

People are allowed to have their own opinion. Sometimes people say negative things. Get over it. As long as they aren't bashing him for useless reasons, then there is no reason they can't express their opinion. That's in, plain and simple.

People can think what they think, and post what they think, as long as it doesn't cross the line. Where is the line? That is for the mods to decide. But if we are going to start drawing the line at negative opinions of things, then we'll lose a lot of memebers.

[Skrobo2]

Originally Posted by Mykel

NO!

People are allowed to have their own opinion. Sometimes people say negative things. Get over it. As long as they aren't bashing him for useless reasons, then there is no reason they can't express their opinion. That's in, plain and simple.

People can think what they think, and post what they think, as long as it doesn't cross the line. Where is the line? That is for the mods to decide. But if we are going to start drawing the line at negative opinions of things, then we'll lose a lot of memebers.

All I'm saying is this thread wasn't made for you to debate why he did it or what you think. This thread was made to inform and for people to show their respects. I'm saying to act more mature and have some respect and find another place to debate your opinions and beliefs. If you want to have a discussion on religion and whether suicide is the worst sin ever then you should have the respect to do it somewhere else. I never said you had to stop posting about it, I said you should. You are entitled to your opinion and you can voice it where you please. I'm just saying if you were more respectful, you would have the courtesy to do it in another thread.

[Moondeath_2]

Originally Posted by Skrobo2

All I'm saying is this thread wasn't made for you to debate why he did it or what you think. This thread was made to inform and for people to show their respects. I'm saying to act more mature and have some respect and find another place to debate your opinions and beliefs. If you want to have a discussion on religion and whether suicide is the worst sin ever then you should have the respect to do it somewhere else. I never said you had to stop posting about it, I said you should. You are entitled to your opinion and you can voice it where you please. I'm just saying if you were more respectful, you would have the courtesy to do it in another thread.

True, I'm tired of users bashing on Shawn and also saying I don't know him or anything and then those who on un walk into his memorial level and disrespect the fact that he has passed away it bothers me badly, if you don't care about him keep your mouth shut if you do get your feelings out.

[D4rKv310c1ty]

Originally Posted by Skrobo2

All I'm saying is this thread wasn't made for you to debate why he did it or what you think. This thread was made to inform and for people to show their respects. I'm saying to act more mature and have some respect and find another place to debate your opinions and beliefs. If you want to have a discussion on religion and whether suicide is the worst sin ever then you should have the respect to do it somewhere else. I never said you had to stop posting about it, I said you should. You are entitled to your opinion and you can voice it where you please. I'm just saying if you were more respectful, you would have the courtesy to do it in another thread.

And i'm also very much in agreeing to this post.
We have nothing to debate over, whats done is done. Think of the cool times and move on, i'm sure half of you that knew him only knew him through graal and several other ways of communicating. As much as I look up to all the great developers in the world you cant think too much of him because you only knew him over text.

That's the harsh reality of it (for most of you that knew him)

so please dont bite my head off. From what I know he was very respectable for his work, lets keep it there and not make things too personal.

[Shaun]

There's a difference between expressing your opinion and harassment.

Starting/posting-in a general suicide thread on the Non-Graal Related board would be constructive, as it would be a place for everybody who wants to argue their opinion a place to.

Expressing your opinion in a thread such as this that you know you will offend people is different. All you will achieve in addition by expressing that particular opinion in this thread in the manner you do will be offending others.

You can express your opinion; however, it is your choice if you want to offend people or not. You chose to offend people. That's harassment.

Yeah, you have an opinion (even if expressing it is a priveledge, not a right), but to make the decision to offend people when you could perfectly express it without is wrong. It is a clear violation of GraalOnline's code of conduct. All you accomplish in addition is harassment, argument, and stirring hatred.

If you have a generalized opinion that you want to express, please, go make a thread for it. Those who want to argue it can go there. That will keep the peace and make EVERYBODY happy, except those who want to start fights, and well, satisfying those who want to start fights is not exactly a top-priority.

[Mykel]

Originally Posted by Shaun

There's a difference between expressing your opinion and harassment.

Very true. And I expressed my opinion.

Originally Posted by Shaun

Starting/posting-in a general suicide thread on the Non-Graal Related board would be constructive, as it would be a place for everybody who wants to argue their opinion a place to.

This is your opinion as to what constructive would be. Shaun, the thread was about someone who committed suicide, so suicide related talks seem pretty approaite to me.

Originally Posted by Shaun

Expressing your opinion in a thread such as this that you know you will offend people is different. All you will achieve in addition by expressing that particular opinion in this thread in the manner you do will be offending others.

I'm not going to walk on eggshells around everyone just to make sure I don't offend anyone. Sorry, not happening. You can continue living your politically correct life, but I'll live for me, thanks.

Originally Posted by Shaun

You can express your opinion; however, it is your choice if you want to offend people or not. You chose to offend people. That's harassment.

I didn't choose to offend anyone. I gave my opinion. I didn't purposely do it for the purpose of offending someone. If that's what happened, then that's what happened.

Originally Posted by Shaun

If you have a generalized opinion that you want to express, please, go make a thread for it. Those who want to argue it can go there. That will keep the peace and make EVERYBODY happy, except those who want to start fights, and well, satisfying those who want to start fights is not exactly a top-priority.

Okay Shaun, then why didn't you make a different thread for this post? What does this post have to do with his suicide? Absolutely nothing. Don't be a hypocrite.

[D4rKv310c1ty]

Originally Posted by Mykel

Very true. And I expressed my opinion.

This is your opinion as to what constructive would be. Shaun, the thread was about someone who committed suicide, so suicide related talks seem pretty approaite to me.

I'm not going to walk on eggshells around everyone just to make sure I don't offend anyone. Sorry, not happening. You can continue living your politically correct life, but I'll live for me, thanks.

I didn't choose to offend anyone. I gave my opinion. I didn't purposely do it for the purpose of offending someone. If that's what happened, then that's what happened.


Okay Shaun, then why didn't you make a different thread for this post? What does this post have to do with his suicide? Absolutely nothing. Don't be a hypocrite.

And I think Mykel was very correct in saying all this.

[D4rKv310c1ty]

Originally Posted by Shaun

There's a difference between expressing your opinion and harassment.

Starting/posting-in a general suicide thread on the Non-Graal Related board would be constructive, as it would be a place for everybody who wants to argue their opinion a place to.

Expressing your opinion in a thread such as this that you know you will offend people is different. All you will achieve in addition by expressing that particular opinion in this thread in the manner you do will be offending others.

You can express your opinion; however, it is your choice if you want to offend people or not. You chose to offend people. That's harassment.

Yeah, you have an opinion (even if expressing it is a priveledge, not a right), but to make the decision to offend people when you could perfectly express it without is wrong. It is a clear violation of GraalOnline's code of conduct. All you accomplish in addition is harassment, argument, and stirring hatred.

If you have a generalized opinion that you want to express, please, go make a thread for it. Those who want to argue it can go there. That will keep the peace and make EVERYBODY happy, except those who want to start fights, and well, satisfying those who want to start fights is not exactly a top-priority.

An oppinion however may not be constructed to offend someone, so you're a little wrong there but im making an oppinion here. It's not necessarily offending you is it?

An oppinion is usually someones idea of what they think of the topic and an idea for other people to go on to believe.

Harrassment is constantly abusing a certain thing, this is a definition
tr.v. ha·rassed, ha·rass·ing, ha·rass·es

1. To irritate or torment persistently.
2. To wear out; exhaust.
3. To impede and exhaust (an enemy) by repeated attacks or raids.

Nothing to do with oppinions, but why dont you debate this in the non-related section hmm?

I'm not necessarily making an oppinion, i'm assuming why Shawn died and WAS hoping could back me up with some information but I obviously got the opposite.

Its hard to offend someone with your oppinion, the person may not like it but its your oppinion no one can change that if thats what you believe they cant change what you believe either.

I know this is a sensitive topic and yes I agree with someones other post.

If we're going to debate over ethnic stuff and religions, bring it on im up for it in the non related. But this was started in the concern of Shawn Noel (bless his soul) who has passed away if you havent noticed..