Banned Users

[Aknts]

This has nothing to do with anyone banned or anything, I just have a question. When someone gets banned on the forums what happens? Let me give you an example:

Lets say I report a thread and the rules state that you aren't allowed to do that. So I got banned. What happens with your forum time and all? Like if you're banned, does your time just keep going down?

[Skyld]

Originally Posted by Aknts

Like if you're banned, does your time just keep going down?

Your 'time' on the forums is related to your Gold/VIP time, so yes, I suppose.

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Aknts

This has nothing to do with anyone banned or anything, I just have a question. When someone gets banned on the forums what happens? Let me give you an example:

Lets say I report a thread and the rules state that you aren't allowed to do that. So I got banned. What happens with your forum time and all? Like if you're banned, does your time just keep going down?

Your time doesn't stop on the forums, just like if the account gets banned on a PW, it doesn't stop.

[Aknts]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Your time doesn't stop on the forums, just like if the account gets banned on a PW, it doesn't stop.

How is that legal? Couldn't they get in trouble for that?

[Damix2]

No, you agreed to the terms of service.

[Skyld]

As far as GraalOnline are concerned, someone who has been banned has abused the service. If someone upgrades and is banned a day later, that is their own problem.

The responsibility of using upgrade time effectively is the user in question's responsibility only.

[Aknts]

Originally Posted by Damix2

No, you agreed to the terms of service.

Agree, but reposting deleted threads is not in the terms of service.

[Damix2]

Originally Posted by Aknts

Agree, but reposting deleted threads is not in the terms of service.

But it is in the forum rules.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Damix2

But it is in the forum rules.

Is following the forum rules in the TOS? I think so?

[Aknts]

Originally Posted by Gerami

Is following the forum rules in the TOS? I think so?

I don't think it is. Plus can they have something so blunt like that? Like by agreeing to this you have to follow all rules posted. Then in the rules it says "You must send me $20." That mean you have to send $20 or there is legal trouble?

[Darlene159]

Originally Posted by Aknts

I don't think it is. Plus can they have something so blunt like that? Like by agreeing to this you have to follow all rules posted. Then in the rules it says "You must send me $20." That mean you have to send $20 or there is legal trouble?

Sometimes it helps to go back and go over the TOS agreement again, and/or the Graal Rules.
I have read them many times, mostly when I am asked a question related to them that I, as a Manager, needed to prove.

The forums are a part of Graal, so the TOS agreement includes the forums.
Therefore, the Graal rules in general, apply to the forums also, as well as the TOS agreement.
The forum rules are specifically for the forums, and must be followed.

[Chris]

Why must people be so confrontational over the stupidest things?

[Damix2]

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Sometimes it helps to go back and go over the TOS agreement again, and/or the Graal Rules.
I have read them many times, mostly when I am asked a question related to them that I, as a Manager, needed to prove.

The forums are a part of Graal, so the TOS agreement includes the forums.
Therefore, the Graal rules in general, apply to the forums also, as well as the TOS agreement.
The forum rules are specifically for the forums, and must be followed.

And there is that crazy 2nd TOS that you agreed to when you registered for the forums.

Chris is right.

[Yen]

It's debatable whether it would hold up in court or not..
During a project for my Law class, I broke down Graal's user agreement and terms of services. There are a lot loopholes, illegalities, ect.
It wouldn't hold up if it went to court.

And then we have the Playerworld Administration, who don't understand that we're paying customers and that they can't ban us for random rules they make up. We aren't bound to most of these so-called 'rules.'

[Aknts]

Originally Posted by Chris

Why must people be so confrontational over the stupidest things?

I wasn't trying to be confrontational, I was just wondering. Sorry.

[Fox1545]

Originally Posted by Aknts

I don't think it is. Plus can they have something so blunt like that? Like by agreeing to this you have to follow all rules posted. Then in the rules it says "You must send me $20." That mean you have to send $20 or there is legal trouble?

No.
It means that you have to send $20 or terminate the agreement that permits you, among other things, to post on the forums.

One of the texts you virtually signed when registering your account says that Graal can terminate that agreement at any time and for any reason. I like that line very much.

[Mykel]

Moonie, you are wrong. You can't just say that because the forums are apart of graal that they are apart of the terms of service. There is a reason that we have a terms of service. So if someone completely new signs up for an account, are they just supposed to 'assume' that there are other rules that they must follow? No.

You are only legally obligated to follow the rules in the TOS. Putting a link to the forum rules in the TOS would be a good idea. Yes, it is a very small thing to be concerned about, but that doesn't make it right. Just because it isn't a big deal doesn't mean we should let something wrong just go by.

[Lance]

This is the simplest link, but the user agreement states this at the very top of section 4:

Rules of the Graal Online System. To ensure an enjoyable experience for as many people as possible, you agree to comply with generally accepted standards of proper online behavior. Any GraalOnline administrator and LINUX Cyberjoueurs reserves the right to determine, in its sole discretion, what constitutes generally accepted standards of online behavior and may, without notice and at any time, suspend or terminate your access to the Graal Online System.

And hey, look, those generally accepted standards of online behavior as determined by any GraalOnline administrator are posted right here on the forums!

[Damix2]

Originally Posted by Mykel

Moonie, you are wrong. You can't just say that because the forums are apart of graal that they are apart of the terms of service. There is a reason that we have a terms of service. So if someone completely new signs up for an account, are they just supposed to 'assume' that there are other rules that they must follow? No.

You are only legally obligated to follow the rules in the TOS. Putting a link to the forum rules in the TOS would be a good idea. Yes, it is a very small thing to be concerned about, but that doesn't make it right. Just because it isn't a big deal doesn't mean we should let something wrong just go by.

You already agreed to a Terms of Service stating your going to follow rules when you registered for these forums.

[Mykel]

Originally Posted by Lance

This is the simplest link, but the user agreement states this at the very top of section 4:



And hey, look, those generally accepted standards of online behavior as determined by any GraalOnline administrator are posted right here on the forums!

Okay, then why have any of the other rules at all? You are saying: "Okay, follow these rules listed below. OH! And follow any other ones we feel like making." Why put the initial list?

[contego]

Originally Posted by Lance

This is the simplest link, but the user agreement states this at the very top of section 4:



And hey, look, those generally accepted standards of online behavior as determined by any GraalOnline administrator are posted right here on the forums!

Well put Lance. I was going to provide the same quote! Excellent work. Moonie shame on you for not doing that first! *shakes finger* lol Also it is in the TOS that you must "FREQUENTLY" check the TOS for any new updates. Also it stats they can change at anytime without notice to the customer. This is basically how all companies must operate. Please do not think Stefan and unix hand typed the TOS themselves. They actually have a very good lawyer. Regardless, Lance said it perfectly. This topic should be now locked... -contego
P.S
Well done Lance...

[DarkShadows_Legend]

How is that legal? Couldn't they get in trouble for that?

When a user signs up now it states ...

Forum Rules

Registration to this forum is free! We do insist that you abide by the rules and policies detailed below. If you agree to the terms, please check the 'I agree' checkbox and press the 'Register' button below. If you would like to cancel the registration, click here to return to the forums index.

Although the administrators and moderators of Graal Communication Center (reserved for gold and vip subscribers) will attempt to keep all objectionable messages off this forum, it is impossible for us to review all messages. All messages express the views of the author, and neither the owners of Graal Communication Center (reserved for gold and vip subscribers), nor Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (developers of vBulletin) will be held responsible for the content of any message.

By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.

The owners of Graal Communication Center (reserved for gold and vip subscribers) reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason.

The rules posted in the announcement section isn't even included when you sign up now.

Then there is the Rule of Conduct set of rules.
Section 5. Chat and Forum. http://graalonline.com/docs/conduct.php?page=2


Section 20. Policy Violations. http://graalonline.com/docs/conduct....ge=6#violation

Policy Violations
Anyone found to be in violation of the policies described in this document, at the sole discretion of GraalOnline , will be subject to the following:
First violation: The user will receive a warning describing the breach of policy GraalOnline believes they have committed, either onscreen or via Email.
Second violation: If possible, the player will be temporarily locked out of the area of gameplay related to the abuse. For example, if a player is using abusive language to others in the Forum, s/he will be prevented from using the forum. If a player is disruptive in events, s/he will be prevented from competing in events.
Third violation: The user will be locked out of GraalOnline for a period of up to one month, and will be notified via Email.
Fourth violation: The user will be locked out of GraalOnline permanently without refund.

In certain circumstances, such as extremely abusive behavior, a user may be locked out without warning or notice of any kind. However, GraalOnline will follow up with an Email explaining why this step was taken.

There is a whole bunch of stuff to consider. I would bet there are many flaws in the whole system.

[Fox1545]

Originally Posted by contego

This topic should be now locked...

Exactly. Also, the original poster's account should be deleted because his question is answered and he does not need to post anymore.

Originally Posted by DarkShadows_Legend

When a user signs up now it states ...

free, but reserved for gold and vip subscribers as it states all the time.

The rules posted in the announcement section isn't even included when you sign up now.

Obviously the rules serve to further explain the `any reasons' you cited. They just serve your information, because they do not need to be stated in order to kick your threads (or ban your account, as the TOS states) if you break the rules.

The whole Rules of Conduct thing seems to be purely informational as well, and outdated too.

[Aknts]

Why does it need to be locked? People are debating and staying on subject. No one is gettign harrased until your idiotic statement about me getting banned. You sir do not have the right to determine who can post on these forums. So why not take your 'coolness' , cut it down a bit and try and be nice. It's not hard I promise.

[DarkShadows_Legend]

... the original poster's account should be deleted because his question is answered and he does not need to post anymore.

Deleted? That is harsh man. I think I'm meaner than Spanky sometimes and probably would get banned before him.

Putting a link to the forum rules in the TOS would be a good idea.

That and I think they should go into more detail. Probably rewrite the code of conduct and include it in the TOS.

[ZeLpH_MyStiK]

Originally Posted by Mykel

Okay, then why have any of the other rules at all? You are saying: "Okay, follow these rules listed below. OH! And follow any other ones we feel like making." Why put the initial list?

[sarcasm]
YES! Why do we have laws and the police?!? I do not get that at all.
[/sarcasm]

[protagonist]

Originally Posted by contego

Well put Lance. I was going to provide the same quote! Excellent work. Moonie shame on you for not doing that first! *shakes finger* lol Also it is in the TOS that you must "FREQUENTLY" check the TOS for any new updates. Also it stats they can change at anytime without notice to the customer. This is basically how all companies must operate. Please do not think Stefan and unix hand typed the TOS themselves. They actually have a very good lawyer. Regardless, Lance said it perfectly. This topic should be now locked... -contego
P.S
Well done Lance...

Stop sucking uuuuuuuppppppp omgggggg


Your entire face is a brilliant shade of brown.

[contego]

Originally Posted by Aknts

This has nothing to do with anyone banned or anything, I just have a question. When someone gets banned on the forums what happens? Let me give you an example:

Lets say I report a thread and the rules state that you aren't allowed to do that. So I got banned. What happens with your forum time and all? Like if you're banned, does your time just keep going down?

Originally Posted by Darlene159

Your time doesn't stop on the forums, just like if the account gets banned on a PW, it doesn't stop.

Originally Posted by Aknts

How is that legal? Couldn't they get in trouble for that?

Originally Posted by Damix2

No, you agreed to the terms of service.

Originally Posted by Aknts

Agree, but reposting deleted threads is not in the terms of service.

Originally Posted by Aknts

I don't think it is. Plus can they have something so blunt like that? Like by agreeing to this you have to follow all rules posted. Then in the rules it says "You must send me $20." That mean you have to send $20 or there is legal trouble?

Originally Posted by Lance

This is the simplest link, but the user agreement states this at the very top of section 4:

Quote:
Rules of the Graal Online System. To ensure an enjoyable experience for as many people as possible, you agree to comply with generally accepted standards of proper online behavior. Any GraalOnline administrator and LINUX Cyberjoueurs reserves the right to determine, in its sole discretion, what constitutes generally accepted standards of online behavior and may, without notice and at any time, suspend or terminate your access to the Graal Online System.

And hey, look, those generally accepted standards of online behavior as determined by any GraalOnline administrator are posted right here on the forums!

Originally Posted by Aknts

Why does it need to be locked? People are debating and staying on subject. No one is gettign harrased until your idiotic statement about me getting banned. You sir do not have the right to determine who can post on these forums. So why not take your 'coolness' , cut it down a bit and try and be nice. It's not hard I promise.

0_o Weren't all your questions answered? That's why I thought it should be locked...

Oh actually all except ..

Originally Posted by Aknts

Why does it need to be locked?

Please start at the top and work you way back down again..

Originally Posted by protagonist

Stop sucking uuuuuuuppppppp omgggggg


Your entire face is a brilliant shade of brown.

Since when did having an opinion that agrees with someone other than YOU become "sucking uuuuuuuppppppp omgggggg"? 0_o
I do believe you were referring to me telling Lance that he did a good job...
Well sir, I am an oldbie staff to Graal. In addition, (in real life) I work in a professional atmosphere, in management so it comes with the territory that I acknowledge someone doing a good job.

[unixmad]

That's your point of view not mine, and in final my keyboard will decide if you are or not bound to the so-called rules.

Originally Posted by Yen

It's debatable whether it would hold up in court or not..
During a project for my Law class, I broke down Graal's user agreement and terms of services. There are a lot loopholes, illegalities, ect.
It wouldn't hold up if it went to court.

And then we have the Playerworld Administration, who don't understand that we're paying customers and that they can't ban us for random rules they make up. We aren't bound to most of these so-called 'rules.'

[Aknts]

Originally Posted by unixmad

That's your point of view not mine, and in final my keyboard will decide if you are or not bound to the so-called rules.

lol. I guess he has spoken.

Unix I don't think he is trying to be controversial nor am I, but does the creators and workers of the game have to follow the TOS? Like they couldn't just go "I don't like him." and ban him?

[Fox1545]

Sorry for this long and unstructured post. It is annoying how the post throttling breaks use of the thread structure.

Originally Posted by Yen

It wouldn't hold up if it went to court.

I did not notice your post before, but if you believe that the agreeement that allows you to play Graal is legally invalid, perhaps you should stop playing...?

Originally Posted by ZeLpH_MyStiK

[sarcasm]
YES! Why do we have laws and the police?!? I do not get that at all.
[/sarcasm]

He was not referring to the general idea of having rules, but their organisation - there are a bunch of rules listed when you create your account, and a bunch more in the Announcements forum that only applies to the forum, and probably a lot other rules are listed elsewhere or implicit.
Also, comparing rules that were mutually agreed upon by both parties with laws enforced by a government is just going to confuse everybody.

Originally Posted by Aknts

does the creators and workers of the game have to follow the TOS? Like they couldn't just go "I don't like him." and ban him?

They can go "I don't like him" and ban him according to the TOS thing that was explained multiple times. This is probably to prevent stupid people from exploiting loopholes. Why do you keep bringing it up?

Originally Posted by Aknts

No one is gettign harrased until your idiotic statement about me getting banned. You sir do not have the right to determine who can post on these forums. So why not take your 'coolness' , cut it down a bit and try and be nice. It's not hard I promise.

Are you stupid or something? I am not even talking about harassment and the ban I mentioned was hypothetical to illustrate the cited rule.

Originally Posted by DarkShadows_Legend

Deleted? That is harsh man. I think I'm meaner than Spanky sometimes and probably would get banned before him.

your name sucks so shut up ok

Originally Posted by contego

Please start at the top and work you way back down again..

Obviously you fail to argue why a thread needs to be closed when the original question is answered.

Originally Posted by contego

Well sir, I am an oldbie staff to Graal. In addition, (in real life) I work in a professional atmosphere

Unless I am confusing you with someone else, you certainly did not act very professional when you removed our admin access because we disagreed with you putting your randomly appointed admins in charge of G2k1. Please go back to real life

[contego]

Let me put in a simpler terms. Basically all the questions from this post were originally answered, therefore I meant this post should be closed. I'll try explaining in one last way...
All questions were answered. That's why it should be closed. And to respond about the personal attack you made towards me? You have no idea what you are talking about. I will only stat that back then when people were dicussing seeing our RC chat.. it was LARGLEY edited at that time by someone to make me look bad, because that person was corrupt. And I always thought people knew me and how I worked and would know that wouldn't be something I would even have to defend myself in. But anyway Fox please do not pretend you even know any truth from that timeline. I certainly do not care to bring that whole topic back up. I left Graal on my own terms I was never removed and I never removed ANY staff from position EVER. I always consorted with unixmad first. Granted I suspended people but never removed. Again this is not a topic you would know the first thing about. The truth remains there that day with me and those that were on RC on G2K1 that day... (and if you believen God, then you would believe he knows the truth too.). And please try to save your rude, personal attacks and childish behavior for someone looking to "play" that game with you. -contego

[Damix2]

Originally Posted by contego

Let me put in a simpler terms. Basically all the questions from this post were originally answered, therefore I meant this post should be closed. I'll try explaining in one last way...
All questions were answered. That's why it should be closed. And to respond about the personal attack you made towards me? You have no idea what you are talking about. I will only stat that back then when people were dicussing seeing our RC chat.. it was LARGLEY edited at that time by someone to make me look bad, because that person was corrupt. And I always thought people knew me and how I worked and would know that wouldn't be something I would even have to defend myself in. But anyway Fox please do not pretend you even know any truth from that timeline. I certainly do not care to bring that whole topic back up. I left Graal on my own terms I was never removed and I never removed ANY staff from position EVER. I always consorted with unixmad first. Granted I suspended people but never removed. Again this is not a topic you would know the first thing about. The truth remains there that day with me and those that were on RC on G2K1 that day... (and if you believen God, then you would believe he knows the truth too.). And please try to save your rude, personal attacks and childish behavior for someone looking to "play" that game with you. -contego

This is just hilarious, and you would think so too if you knew what you were talking about.

[Darlene159]

I think the questions have been answered here...no need to begin discussions on other topics to argue about in this thread

closed