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Old 08-11-2005, 10:11 PM
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I trust very few people online, I think that's quite clear.
I see that, yes... It seems to be a very large part of your reason for using NPC Kings. But really, what makes you think we (the players) should trust you more than Kingdom Leaders?
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Old 08-12-2005, 12:05 AM
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I see that, yes... It seems to be a very large part of your reason for using NPC Kings. But really, what makes you think we (the players) should trust you more than Kingdom Leaders?
I'd think we'd be more concerned with his admin-level RC access if we were going to question his trustworthiness.
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Old 08-12-2005, 05:22 AM
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I see that, yes... It seems to be a very large part of your reason for using NPC Kings. But really, what makes you think we (the players) should trust you more than Kingdom Leaders?
Well... I am the manager. You have to trust me with everything, really. I think it's easier to trust one person than it is trusting like 5 different people.

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I'd think we'd be more concerned with his admin-level RC access if we were going to question his trustworthiness.
Hahaha. Exactly. Sometimes people question things without actually thinking them through.
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Old 08-12-2005, 05:53 AM
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Well... I am the manager. You have to trust me with everything, really. I think it's easier to trust one person than it is trusting like 5 different people.
I meant more in the sense of how can we trust you to be a good five kings. I don't mean how can we trust you wont go crazy and start deleting all the kingdom members/server content. How can we be certain you're so reliable that you'll be able to show up to run your puppets when needed. You said it's easier to trust one person rather than 5... But nevertheless if said one person doesn't come through, you're cheesed... On the other hand if one of 5 doesn't come through the other 4 are still there to keep things going... Plus, with NPC kings there are no "second in command"; with player kings if the king is unable to show up to an event for some reason, there are other high-ranking players to take their place.

I'll admit I like the idea of NPCs giving small kingdom based quests, but I dont think it's such a good idea to remove the players' ability to control how their kingdoms will run. By removing the aspect of 4 or 5 different people each running their own group of people you're destroying something. Each person has different ideas, different motives, they react differently to certain situations, hell even personal emotions come in to play... You might think that some of these things are bad for the RP world, but I'd say it makes everything more interesting.

Just a few final questions for a while:

How complex do you expect to make these kings? I mean, it sounds pretty tricky, from what I can tell you're more into the graphical part of things.

Which kingdoms are you planing on using?

You said yourself that you were never involved in anything that had to do with kingdoms. How do you expect to be able to run 5 of them all on your own? How can you be so certain that your Kingdoms System is better than the previous one?

Are you taking into account what the players are saying? So far I only count one that is for your Punch n' Judy Kingdoms System.
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Old 08-12-2005, 06:30 AM
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How complex do you expect to make these kings? I mean, it sounds pretty tricky, from what I can tell you're more into the graphical part of things.

Which kingdoms are you planing on using?

You said yourself that you were never involved in anything that had to do with kingdoms. How do you expect to be able to run 5 of them all on your own? How can you be so certain that your Kingdoms System is better than the previous one?

Are you taking into account what the players are saying? So far I only count one that is for your Punch n' Judy Kingdoms System.
Just because I'm most known for my graphics doesn't mean I can't script for beans. I plan to make the kings as complex as I can. They will get "emotional", they will hold ceremonies and events, they will interact with the other kings. (on a certain level)

I plan to use Samurai, Dustari, Zormite, and Pirate to start with. I think four kingdoms is plenty enough for the amount of players who would be on at any given time.

I said I wasn't involved in kingdoms? I don't recall saying that. I was part of Dustari for a while, back in the day. I was also going to be leader of forest kingdom on kingdoms but I ended up being game master instead. I had to plan out the whole island and I wrote up ranks and plots and everything that never got used.

I know how to roleplay and I have a pretty good idea of what people actually want. Even if you think I'm not listening, I am. If I weren't, I wouldn't even be responding to this thread. I'm positive my kingdoms system is better than the old, because the old system was complete shambles. There wasn't any real organization, and because I don't have to rely on other people, it makes things easier on me and I can be assured that I will do the job.

I'm not going to change my plans for npc kings however. I've thought about it a long time and I just feel it's the best choice. I'm not going to have player kings and that's my final word on the matter. But that doesn't mean I'm not listening to what you have to say, it just means I'm not going to bow to every demand.
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Old 08-12-2005, 07:25 AM
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I said I wasn't involved in kingdoms? I don't recall saying that.
I'm pretty sure he's referring to this tidbit:
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I don't think kingdoms made the server. I was never really active in any kingdom and I played the server for years.
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You say you were "never really active" but didn't say in what regard. If we just take the general sense of it, Shadow has credence to what he said.


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But that doesn't mean I'm not listening to what you have to say, it just means I'm not going to bow to every demand.
A moot point, but what have you decided to include from the suggestions that have been given right and left?
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Old 08-12-2005, 08:11 AM
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Oh yes, I remember that... I figured that's what he was referring to. By "never really active" I mean I didn't actively participate in roleplaying, because for the most part, there wasn't any.

I didn't originally plan to have any human act the role of the king at any given time, but I liked the idea and I think it would help make the kings feel more real.

As far as suggestions being given right and left... umm... I don't see these? I've already decided to use npc kings so "make kings human" is not a suggestion. If someone actually suggested some things for npc kings, then I'd be happy to tell you what I think.
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