Classic Progress Report.

[zim5354]

well this seems to be turning out kinda like g2k1 or kinda like delteria where one guild pretty much runs the server only this server is on a slide going to hell.

[maximus_asinus]

I massed "Worst Manager Ever" and Master Storm disconnected me. Actually he seems to disconnect me a lot lately.

[maximus_asinus]

I can honestly say, because of this thread, Storm actually decided to do something, even though its barely noticible, he fixed a couple errors in the hit detection.

[p2p_Sir_Link]

luda4gc,vin4gp,kev4lat

Newest revolution, although no one will hire us because we're too leet.

[maximus_asinus]

Today, Storm and I sat down and had a long debate (and most likely this thread was why), concerning several topics such as the new hit detection and movement VS the old, and why there was a lack of anything for updates.

For the new systems, it was a basic "Pro, Con" scenario. He explain why he felt it was necessary, how by rescripting the bombs and arrows he needed to in turn rescript everything else. Any suggestions I made to how he could have redone the items without scripting an entirely new system were ignored. I told him of several different severe bugs / issues with his system, but it didn't appear to get through to him. The new system is anti - lag, meaning it hurts anyone who lagged in the first place. Remember when you'd see someone running, and they'd stop and 'lagged out', and then jump from point A to point B? With the new system, this still happens, but thanks to serverside hit detection, you can PK a person when they appear to 'lag out'. It didn't sound like that point got through to him so I told him about another related topic. Moving between levels. You know how a person on a slowed connection would lag going through doors, and links? Still happens, but now you can kill a person if they lagging when they're moving to another level. More of the same can be done. This isn't fair to anyone on a slower connection/computer, his system barely works for stable connections, but even worse for those or bad ones.

As for lack of updates he decided to show me some baddies he got around to making. They work pretty smoothly, but I'd expect more, we have NPC server and some of the best scripters. Utilize them. From his mouth he did admitt he wasn't planning on any major releases, only bug fixes, [edit]and working on various things behind the scenes.[/edit] He wants to wait until everyone has access to V4, which hasn't even had a release date set. How long will we have to wait? 6 - 8 months? A year? I doubt Classic will be able to hold out for that long. The majority of people use V2, why not make something, and rescript it to support V4 when the time comes. Sure it'll be more work but hell, wouldn't you like to see someone updated on the server?

I demand that something happen on Classic. Update something, do some work and make a quest, make something.

[SoSolid66]

GC's hosting more often would be a nice improvement

[p2p_Sir_Link]

That would require more GCs, but Nighty spends all his time playing GK.

[Leonis]

And the Assistant GC Admin is on strike.

[p2p_Sir_Link]

Originally Posted by Leonis

And the Assistant GC Admin is on strike.

Yea, that pisses me off. Sting was never essential, and never will be. He has no talents such as events construction. He should be fired, but night won't do it.

What rascist/bashing comments?

[maximus_asinus]

Another case of bad Administrating. Nighty is going inactive, he doesn't do his job properly, and I bet you he lost interest with classic. His loss of interest causes him to work less, and his job gets negected. Everyone is effected by these lack of updates.

[edit]Just in, Storm has threatened to ban me (his words were remove me) because of me speaking out against him[/edit]

[p2p_Sir_Link]

I suppose I'll finally put in all of what I'd like to say, rather than the pieces that I have said.
Management: Storm is actually not has bad as it may seem. At any one moment, there may be infinite issues to solve at any one time, perhaps being a newb logging on for the first time, and not knowing what graal even is, and harassing the first person who appears to be staff. The arrows and bombs did need to be rescripted, unless we didn't want to have them, since gmap is where graal is headed. Also, for a classic feel, I do agree few tweaks needed to be maded, aka the movement system. Don't get me wrong, the movement system is still bugged, but on most servers (especially classic ones) things spend months in dev before being released to make sure they're good. Storm didn't have that sort of time, and had to make due with what he could do. I do agree that SOMETHING should have been added by now, yes. I've applied for LAT to help remedy this problem. Although I have limited GScript 2 knowledge, I'm sure my abilities with GScript 1 can assist classic in some way.

GC Administration:
I rate the overall quality of the GC Administration at 0/10. They are not doing what they need to get done, which is provide entertainment for players at climax numbers. They allow members of the team to strike, as if they're essential and 30 other players aren't willing to take their job for them

LAT Administration: This is just horrible. The Scripters, Levelers, and Graphics people seem to do nothing. If they are, I've yet to see it. The LAT Admin is truly inactive, and gave me a scripting application a few days ago. I've yet to see anything from him about my submission, this was 5 or so days ago. Perhaps on the weekend he'll get an hour in?

GP Administration: The GPs are doing great, 10/10
FAQ Administration: Abolish them, FAQs are not needed nor do I ever see them on.


Suggested Reforms:
Hire new LAT and GC admins. Add a zero tolerance policy. If anyone wants to pull this emo strike bull****, they don't need a job that other graalians would GLADLY fill. Add another dev server where things can be worked on peacefully, if not even by actual staff members. Graal has always been a playermade game, but the way classic is going, it won't be. All things on the player dev could be reviewed by certain staff members, while actual LATs work on stuff for classic, or prepare things.

But anyway, that's just what I think.

[maximus_asinus]

Kevin a few days ago you were going on about how bad a shape Classic is in, and then suddenly after you submitted your application you've been all smiles. Stop sucking up, it looks bad.

Originally Posted by p2p_sir_link

The arrows and bombs did need to be rescripted, unless we didn't want to have them, since gmap is where graal is headed.

Yes they needed to be rescripted. Did movement and hit detection need to be? No. He could have gone about it a different way, I even suggested how.

As for rating the staff devisions, I agree with you, FAQ should be scaled back, GC needs to be reworked, LAT... well it needs some serious help. GP is running smooth, they opened hiring last week I think.

Storm hasn't been doing a great job, not even a good job. He has yet to answer many of my questions, he just goes in circles about V3 / V4.

[p2p_Sir_Link]

I'm not maximus. I've only ever hated the lack of things, plus the occasional complaint about the hit detection, ask storm the other day, me and him were pking and I was *****ing about it the whole time, even though he already knew I had applied.

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link

I'm not maximus. I've only ever hated the lack of things, plus the occasional complaint about the hit detection, ask storm the other day, me and him were pking and I was *****ing about it the whole time, even though he already knew I had applied.

You were so anti - hit detection, movement, & storm you started making another Classic on Kalypso. Once you submitted your application that changed.

[notoalpena]

luda4gc :/

[p2p_Sir_Link]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

You were so anti - hit detection, movement, & storm you started making another Classic on Kalypso. Once you submitted your application that changed.

I know it did. But that's also because I played the role of manager. And I maybe a little less anti everything. But I'd still say I'm of the anti classic nature.

[Malinko]

Hm. My look on this situation is:

Master Storm is doing a fine job at being Manager of Classic Graal.

Though, all the players know that Classic Graal has been through a major playercount struggle, whether it's going down or up. Most players blame Master Storm for releasing the NPC Server conversion earlier without most of Classic Graal being converted. With all honesty, Master Storm had no choice. It was either release the NPC Server allowing the option of Classic Graal to be converted further throughout the future or having Classic Graal be shutdown to the development stage of playerworlds. In my opinion, I'm glad Master Storm chose the option of allowing Classic Graal to be released without the playerworld being fully converted. Classic Graal is what first started GraalOnline in general. So for all you players slanding the good name of Classic Graal, I pity you. It's quite sad how you think, "Classic Graal is not the same, because most of the playerworld is missing and the NPC Server." That is not true. Most of the players are complaining because everyone else is slandering the playerworld. How do you expect Classic Graal to be the "Classic Graal" we all loved if you continue such behavior? I'm sure Classic Graal is working hard on the completion. Just give the complaints a rest and be patient. Classic Graal will return as long as you keep the same community as it always has been.

[p2p_Sir_Link]

Originally Posted by Malinko

Hm. My look on this situation is:

Master Storm is doing a fine job at being Manager of Classic Graal.

Though, all the players know that Classic Graal has been through a major playercount struggle, whether it's going down or up. Most players blame Master Storm for releasing the NPC Server conversion earlier without most of Classic Graal being converted. With all honesty, Master Storm had no choice. It was either release the NPC Server allowing the option of Classic Graal to be converted further throughout the future or having Classic Graal be shutdown to the development stage of playerworlds. In my opinion, I'm glad Master Storm chose the option of allowing Classic Graal to be released without the playerworld being fully converted. Classic Graal is what first started GraalOnline in general. So for all you players slanding the good name of Classic Graal, I pity you. It's quite sad how you think, "Classic Graal is not the same, because most of the playerworld is missing and the NPC Server." That is not true. Most of the players are complaining because everyone else is slandering the playerworld. How do you expect Classic Graal to be the "Classic Graal" we all loved if you continue such behavior? I'm sure Classic Graal is working hard on the completion. Just give the complaints a rest and be patient. Classic Graal will return as long as you keep the same community as it always has been.

Dude, Malinko, shut up. You have no idea what you're talking about. If we were getting the classic we wanted back, we'd not have to wait until v4 is public. Do not step in from where you run your things, UN and GK and wherever else. Please stay out of this, if you have no idea what is going on.

[Malinko]

Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link

Dude, Malinko, shut up. You have no idea what you're talking about. If we were getting the classic we wanted back, we'd not have to wait until v4 is public. Do not step in from where you run your things, UN and GK and wherever else. Please stay out of this, if you have no idea what is going on.

Lol.

That's my response to you.

[maximus_asinus]

I realize now that I cannot do anything to stop Storm from ruining the server. If it survives until V4, yay, maybe you'll see a quest or two. If not, well, I'll have the last laugh. As for me, I am going to try and quit Classic as of now. I am not sure if I'll play any other server as I've barely stepped one foot off Classic since I started. Thats how annoyed I am. I'm quiting the only server I've played. Storm is probably smiling, his job is safe, nobody else will dare raise their voice against him. I'll log on at the end of June. We'll see how far the server has progressed. Now I say good day.

[p2p_Sir_Link]

Now what will happen with the gold I gave you? =(

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link

Now what will happen with the gold I gave you? =(

enable me to post on the forums. x-x

[p2p_Sir_Link]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

enable me to post on the forums. x-x

I see.

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link

I see.

BLAME STORM FOR MY QUITING.

[Unpredlctable]

Well, there goes the great US revival, again.

Originally Posted by Malinko

I'm sure Classic Graal is working hard on the completion.

We will just have to see about that once some real progress is made on the server.

Just give the complaints a rest and be patient.

Let's see. We remained "patient" throughout all the years when the NPC Server was promised to be released on several occasions, and when it wasn't released.

Classic Graal will return as long as you keep the same community as it always has been.

It may return relatively to what it once was. But how long will that take? And when/if that time does come, how many of Classics players still be around? Who will want to return?

[StrykerTFFD]

Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link

GP Administration: The GPs are doing great, 10/10


But anyway, that's just what I think.

I'm touched

[p2p_Sir_Link]

yo lol no smd. =(

nah jk.

[maximus_asinus]

Oh ho ho, I had to do one last thing for US. Now I got my wish and I'm banned.

[Hiro]

Classic - the soap opera.

[p2p_Sir_Link]

Ah yes. This corrupt banning. GP Administration goes to 0/10. Maximus was NOT out of his rights, ruining Ventrue like that. He is the owner of darkriders_p2p, not selflon. Why Ventrue would give so much power to a shared account is beyond me. But hey. Maximus injured the one guild that shouldn't be on classic. So he HAD to be banned, right? Maximus, US will never forget ye.

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link

This corrupt banning.

Yes, if it happened to any other guild nothing would have happened. Wait, somethings coming back to me. Yes, it has happened to several other guilds without anything happening. Dragontears, insert another couple names, and even US. Although this was back in the day when graal was good.

[p2p_Sir_Link]

Ah yes, but we have a predominantly Ventrue staff, don't we? How could this stand! Why would they let you get away with using your OWN ACCOUNT?

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link

Ah yes, but we have a predominantly Ventrue staff, don't we? How could this stand! Why would they let you get away with using your OWN ACCOUNT?

I think its quite funny. They usually operate under seperate account, seperate case. Meaning even if they jailed a person for one offence, they'd be allowed on another account, and if they did something wrong, that account would be jailed aswell. They definately didn't do that for me, as soon as they figured out who it was, they went for my neck, swinging, with multiple swords drawn.

I like how this sounds, I legally reacquired my account, used what powers were on my account to do something that I'm not even sure is illegal, and got banned not only on the newly acquired account but on my other account as well.

[p2p_Sir_Link]

So then selflon needs to be replaced, then?

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by p2p_Sir_Link

So then selflon needs to be replaced, then?

I'm sure someone will reupgrade him. You won't even notice that he's been gone though.
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[Hiro]

They banned you for disbanding a global guild?

[maximus_asinus]

Originally Posted by Hiro

They banned you for disbanding a global guild?

I didn't disban it, but close enough.

[jacob_bald6225]

Hey max, was Selflon's account signed up to a mrevil mail account?

Edit: It was a Ventrue who deleted US.

[Hiro]

Originally Posted by maximus_asinus

I didn't disban it, but close enough.

Ah. I say "GG "

Originally Posted by jacob_bald6225

Hey max, was Selflon's account signed up to a mrevil mail account?

Edit: It was a Ventrue who deleted US.

Whoever the player was should be banned then, apperently?

[jacob_bald6225]

Probably should have... but I don't know why, I like him and he doesn't play anymore so it doesnt matter now.